Count on it.

...the public to know that the exit polls clearly indicated a victory by the Democratic Party.

this smells

Holding exit polls only in safe states is pointless and in which case you might as well not have them at all.

.....exit polls are needed in Alabama, Mississippi, Utah, Rhode Island, Vermont, or Maryland?

I smell a rat.

Just another elimination of a secondary method of verification.

Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming.

Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming.

There is no downside, after all. We know that from experience.

n/t

exit polls have been a useful and accurate tool for elections for years ....
and the were in the United States until 1988 and the introduction of
electronic voting machines.

In the future, exit polls will consist solely of the Cokie Roberts, George Will, and EJ Dionne sample, except every 16 years when Michael Moore shall be polled just for laughs.

Total coincidence.

Seriously I just can't picture exit polls in DC, Maryland, Texas and Utah but not in Ohio.

I remember in... it must've been 2000, during the Kerry/Bush election debacle. I was watching the news one evening when I saw the most surreal bit of cognitive dissonance I've ever seen in my life.

A panel of "political experts" was discussing the fiasco, and how the results just didn't match the exit polls. All agreed that this was proof that exit polls just aren't reliable, and that news agencies should stop reporting/discussing them altogether.

They immediately turned to the next item under discussion, a big election in Russia (which was going on at the same time). The western-backed candidate lost. The panel was, without exception, up in arms about the obvious fraud. Their proof? Exit polls that didn't match the official election results.

Nothing these people do surprises me anymore. I don't know whether they're propagandists, or brainwashed, or just plain stupid, but logical contradictions and obvious signs of fraud seem to be completely invisible to them when they don't fit into their world view.

It's just safe states that aren't.

It still makes me want to scream in frustration.

Who owns the major television networks, not PBS, and the AP?

I want some assurances that this electioned won't be scammed.

2000 and 2004! NEVER AGAIN!!

of it's youth.

Check out it's controlling board
(emphasis on controlling.)

No exit polls, no check on fraud.

proven voter suppression and voter fraud tactics.

They announce this crap but do not include a list of states is a tell.

We are not going to like it one bit.

COUNT on it!

Noise this up until MSM CAN'T ignore it!

Post in every public area you can is my advise!!

Seems they already knew what they would be, how odd they set it up this way.

nt

...buit they probably decided that the analyzing the outcome of the Presidential race doesn't depend on exit polls in Idaho and Maryland.

will not have exit polls.

I mean really....seriously, stop before you make yourself look foolish.

It doesn't necessarily indicate outright collusion in election fraud on the part of the media.

What I think we have in this country is a corporate media establishment who begins with the assumption that US elections are 100% peachy keen, spick-and-span legitimate. In recent years, we've seen several instances of exit polls not matching official results, and actually changing the results of the election.

It's not something they want to talk about, because in their minds, the very notion of election fraud is absurd. So yeah, to me, it seems like common sense that they'd shut off exit polling in hotly contested areas.

...on election night, would rather be in the dark about Ohio and Florida by not having exit polls, but be able to tell you with confidence that Rmoney took Utah, or Obama won Vermont? And spend money on this?

Good lord, please don't ever take a job running Current.

You are not thinking logically. You are thinking like a conspiracy nut.

If you are going to eliminate exit polls in close states, why bother polling states that are not close?

Mark it down, these will be the states where there is no exit polling, because the state is safe for one presidential candidate or another and the senate races are not close....

Alabama
Arkansas
Louisiana
Illinois
South Dakota
Idaho
Alaska
South Carolina
Kentucky
Kansas
Oklahoma
Oregon
Utah
Wyoming
Vermont
Rhode Island
Georgia
West Virginia
Delaware

but it wouldn't look good not to poll the largest state.

....but I assume there might be some hot House races that they can poll as well, like New York and Texas....maybe. Plus as you said, too big a state.

which was done by an independent commmission with no incumbent protection.

I don't know which states are going to be excluded from exit polling, but I've seen our media do more asinine things that drop exit polling in contested races in the past.

Your question is pretty much the same one I was talking around. If you're going to eliminate exit polls in close states, why bother polling in states that are not close? It would be stupid and illogical, and if it happens, I hope you'll note it.

....and I'll be sure to book mark this so when they are exit polling in the contested states, you admit you were wrong.

My predictions are based on a basic knowledge of how the polls stand right now. Many are simply not close and not worthy of wasting money on sending people to poll them.

Unlike you, I never made an assertion. I speculated on a possibility.

I think you're misreading me. I'm not a conspiracy aficionado.

*edit* Actually, I did-- didn't I? I just noticed I opened with "Swing states, no doubt". That was pretty conspiratorial and paranoid, and I will acknowledge that now, without seeing a list.

...and if you look below post #45, the official list is up.

That's good to know-- thanks.

Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming.

Yeah most contested states for sure.

Although I wasn't counting DoC as a state!

Not that it's a close state, but a big one with a population mix that would yield a lot of interesting data.

This is a capitulation to the budget gods.

The states are AL, AK, DE, DC, GA, HI, ID, KY, LA, NE, ND, OK, RI, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, WV and WY (all of these states are listed in the article).

If, say, they decided not to do exit polls in states like California, Hawaii, and Utah, where the outcome is pretty much a forgone conclusion, it could maybe make sense as a cost-saving measure.

But if they are not exit-polling, say, Ohio, Florida and Virginia, that's obviously a huge problem.

If it's safe states as I'm sure it will be jumping to conclusions is pretty absurd.

Dem Mazie Hirono is ahead, but it isn't a slam dunk.

...but there are still a lot of important down-ticket races, even in the non-swing states.

I see no problem with some states not having exit polls. I can tell you in advance what the exit polling is going to show in Alabama and Mississippi, California and Massachusetts.

If it's the swing states, something is definitely fishy.

McCaskill or Akin? You have got to be kidding.

Quite frankly, you could exit poll only about 10 specific states in the Presidential, and that's all you'd need to get a clear view of how it's going in that race.

My guess is MA, CT, MO, MT, ND, IN, get exit polled because of close Senate races.

You must be fucking nuts.

Arizona and Missouri has turned themselves into a swing state, and Obama has a legitimate shot in getting both.

The downticket Dems (Carmona and McCaskill) are important for Obama's future.

....right-wing nuts saying this is proof Obama is stealing the election.

Then again, if you look here....

thinks they have a god given right to steal elections, they probably consider any effort to keep them from stealing as stealing.

Both obviously look pretty ridiculous once the list is made.

They are:

Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming.

I am a little disappointed in that though because I'm curious about the demographic breakdown, but I can't blame them for not spending so much money on an expensive state where the result is not in doubt.

They really need to at least get a baseline on that.

They're going to end up playing frantic catch-up in the counties.

Big money wants Rmoney so bad they will take away our democracy

Because we know that's just ready to flip blue.

Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming.

Yeah I'll be pretty stunned if Romney manages to steal DC or Rhode Island.

Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming.

So according to some here Romney is planning on stealing DC, Hawaii and Rhode Island...but also needs to steal Wyoming and Oklahoma as well. If we believe that this is obviously because of vote fraud and can't possibly be because of cost reduction of course.

the other (contested) states.

Down near the bottom.

There is no conspiracy.

They have cut the cost on the National level knowing that local news must have this data.

Will there be a pool poll in areas left unpolled?

Just not enough for state numbers.

nt

...but to the fact that ever since 2000, exit polls have been at odds with the "official machine count."

Remember when Voter News Service?

Looks like they are planning on stealing it again...

Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming.

In some cases, they mention them when they are available. But I can't see anything saying how they should be conducted (eg by looking at all areas of a country, rather than concentrating on the areas likely to swing). I can find something saying they recommended against the use of exit polls in 1994 in Mexico, because they'd make voters think their vote wasn't secret.

I like exit polls (because I love statistics about elections), but they are hardly the backbone of a functioning democracy.

Are you saying the exit poll is more accurate? If you think so, why do we bother count the votes. Let's just elect our president based on what the media's exit polls show.

Exit polling is based on whether the voter is telling the truth. If someone goes in to vote and then comes out and lies, that's going to mess it up. And yes....people have lied to pollsters. Not everyone is as open and honest about their vote as you may be.

Plus Nate Silver just predicted Obama tonight.

But that's been the plan all along. Just 1 more indignity. And another. And another. Then another. Before long, nothing's left.


OPERATION NORTHWOODS

... the corporate media rushing in to protect the corrupt system. (At best.)

I do remember it was an eastern european country, had mass protests because the exit poll did not jive with the results. since many of the states now have corporate owned voting machines (which apparently can only be scrutinized by their own employees) we've had disparities between exit polling and the machines. when you have a voting machine ceo publicly lauding that he will help the repug party win, then I think this country is already a banana republic. and the real corruption started with a coup in 2000.

scalia and thomas should have recused themselves since family members were already working for little boot's campaign. and what happened to max cleland in maryland is a travesty. a disabled veteran being compared to OBL by a damn chickenhawk who never served. and, maryland had the brand new voting machines.

it's a sad, sad country that makes villains into heros (for not protecting the country, but standing on a pile of rubble and talking tough) and heros into villains (those who actually have put their lives on the line defending this country and speaking the TRUTH). we're turning into one big sick reality show.

we need a landslide to win.