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lanlady

(7,135 posts)
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 01:00 PM Aug 2020

Britain plunges into deep recession, with steep job losses and Europe's highest virus death toll

Source: Washington Post

LONDON — The official numbers were published Wednesday, and they are officially ugly. The British economy has plunged into a record-shattering recession, shrinking by a fifth in the second quarter and posting the steepest decline of any Group of Seven nation.

Alongside huge job losses announced a day earlier, Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s Britain now finds itself with the worst economy and highest death toll in Europe from the coronavirus. In numbers of deaths, the United Kingdom follows the United States, Brazil and Mexico.

The official data released Wednesday by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed that gross domestic product (GDP) fell 20.4 percent in the second quarter — April, May and June — compared with the first quarter. The downturn reflected losses across all sectors, after the country went into a tight lockdown in the third week of March.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/britain-plunges-into-deep-recession-with-steep-job-losses-and-europes-highest-virus-death-toll/2020/08/12/84190d52-dc85-11ea-b4f1-25b762cdbbf4_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most



The UK is on its own, now that it's leaving the EU and the US too weak to give it a boost. Boo hoo, Boris.
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Britain plunges into deep recession, with steep job losses and Europe's highest virus death toll (Original Post) lanlady Aug 2020 OP
Vlad has steered the UK into the "Make Britain Great Again" programmed disaster of Brexit. Ford_Prefect Aug 2020 #1
no one in ... Democratic parties has the perspicacity to observe what is so terribly obvious groundloop Aug 2020 #5
My point is that no one yet has stated the obvious regarding Putin's steering effect Ford_Prefect Aug 2020 #14
The Mueller report said it. yardwork Aug 2020 #17
It does point up the connection, yes. But I don't see or hear members Ford_Prefect Aug 2020 #18
Well, didn't Nancy say to his face: robbob Aug 2020 #27
A whole bunch of us Democrats recognized this at the time. yardwork Aug 2020 #16
They didn't wear their masks ... Maxheader Aug 2020 #2
... Javaman Aug 2020 #3
That was one of the last songs that actually scared society - denem Aug 2020 #21
Coming soon to a country (USA) near you.... durablend Aug 2020 #4
How long can we prop up our stock market so the rich continue to prosper? CrispyQ Aug 2020 #6
They only complain about other people's socialist benefits. Ford_Prefect Aug 2020 #15
Lesson to Boris Johnson, run with the bedbugs: get a Trump economy. marble falls Aug 2020 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Doodley Aug 2020 #8
It was not. former9thward Aug 2020 #19
They'll be fine. Their strength, as members of the EU will support and bolst....... jaxexpat Aug 2020 #9
Well, maybe if Scotland and Wales and Northen Ireland prop them up. erronis Aug 2020 #12
"reversion to feudalism happening in the US."............. jaxexpat Aug 2020 #22
We would love to have their covid numbers right now, OneCrazyDiamond Aug 2020 #10
No we wouldn't. former9thward Aug 2020 #20
We have the most cases. N/T OneCrazyDiamond Aug 2020 #23
We have a far, far biggest population. former9thward Aug 2020 #24
No. OneCrazyDiamond Aug 2020 #26
You're right, but for more then one reason! robbob Aug 2020 #28
. OneCrazyDiamond Aug 2020 #29
Shine on, you crazy diamond! robbob Aug 2020 #30
Interesting the parallels qazplm135 Aug 2020 #11
Winning, with a British accent. nt eppur_se_muova Aug 2020 #13
Well I have some impeccable timing. a la izquierda Aug 2020 #25

Ford_Prefect

(7,921 posts)
1. Vlad has steered the UK into the "Make Britain Great Again" programmed disaster of Brexit.
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 01:24 PM
Aug 2020

While the same disaster is rolling on in the US under the rubric of "Make America Great Again."

It is stunning to see the parallels of political corruption and the incredible incompetence of the leadership and the individual ministers and agency officials in both governments. Likewise the racist and obscenely nationalist threads at the heart of both MAGA and Brexit.

Yet no one in either Labour or Democratic parties has the perspicacity to observe what is so terribly obvious to anyone who paid attention to what Putin has done in Ukraine and how that rolled out.

groundloop

(11,523 posts)
5. no one in ... Democratic parties has the perspicacity to observe what is so terribly obvious
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 02:03 PM
Aug 2020

I call bullshit on that claim. The entire Democratic Party is raising holy hell about what tRump is doing to the country, but since McConnell and his fellow GOPers in the Senate are putting party over country nothing is being done.

Ford_Prefect

(7,921 posts)
14. My point is that no one yet has stated the obvious regarding Putin's steering effect
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 04:33 PM
Aug 2020

on both governments. Many people have said that Trump and Boris are too close to Putin. No prominent Dem as said either is an agent of a specific foreign foe.

What I find puzzling is that no one inside the Intel community is raising this alarm, since they must have more direct evidence.

I am sure some of this is likely carry-over from the Bush I & Bush-Cheney age of parallel governance during which the MIC or (your preferred name ) have effectively built their own apparatus to continue the militarization of US foreign policy, in cahoots with private military contractors.

My principal point is that no one yet has whatever it takes to call Trump and Boris what they are and pursue it. Those of us who see it are told to shut up and put our tinfoil back on.

Serious politicians are bending backward verbally to avoid saying that our *president* and much of his policy are run by Putin. Yes, Donny's a vicious and vindictive clown and can't think his way past the next burger. Yes, the blond Twit at #10 is the British equivalent. Both are vain fools with power fixations. None of that explains the ruthless destruction of their own national institutions in the patterns we have seen.

They are both clowns designed to distract from the puppet strings that pull them. No one has said that yet on camera or in Congress. If you've got a quote on the record that says otherwise I would dearly love to see it because I'd like to think someone was paying attention to more than the clown show and the incipient disasters.

Ford_Prefect

(7,921 posts)
18. It does point up the connection, yes. But I don't see or hear members
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 09:13 PM
Aug 2020

of the House or the Senate speaking out. They did impeach... and the evidence got buried by McConnell and Barr.

I want someone to say out loud that the president and his immediate familiars and certain members of the cabinet are operating on orders or guidance from Putin via all the obvious means.

I want the Congressional hearings into what the Fuck the NSA and other agencies have in hand. How many more people must die and how many citizens must be put in harm's way before someone stands up and speaks the truth?

I want the US Congress to have the guts to shut it all down if need be like the Democratic Legislators in Texas who left town rather than vote against their conscience.

Someone sure needs to do something like that. They stopped listening when I asked the right questions they didn't want to answer about the Gulf War. The congressmen I and others approached didn't want to comment on the specifics. It took the WikiLeaks info dump to break that one. Imagine what we would not yet know if they hadn't.

They don't care what I write here. It used to matter enough that they'd lie about it to have something to say. Now they are silent. The MSM pitches hints and rumor and then ducks harder analysis.

robbob

(3,538 posts)
27. Well, didn't Nancy say to his face:
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 12:21 AM
Aug 2020

“With you, Donald, all roads lead to Russia”? Or something like that...

yardwork

(61,711 posts)
16. A whole bunch of us Democrats recognized this at the time.
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 08:45 PM
Aug 2020

We knew Brexit was a disaster, we knew Putin brought it about through propaganda and influence, and we saw the same influences and propaganda at work in 2016 in the U.S.

The propaganda for both was obvious here on DU.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
21. That was one of the last songs that actually scared society -
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 11:30 PM
Aug 2020

"We're the future. Your future".

CrispyQ

(36,518 posts)
6. How long can we prop up our stock market so the rich continue to prosper?
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 02:29 PM
Aug 2020

And why aren't the MAGAs complaining about the socialism of that?

Response to lanlady (Original post)

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
19. It was not.
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 10:52 PM
Aug 2020

For the U.S. it was a 8.25% decline for the quarter, much better than the EU. The 30% figure that was thrown around was the annualized rate based on the quarter. That means nothing since economists predict a 20% gain in the 3rd quarter for the U.S..

erronis

(15,335 posts)
12. Well, maybe if Scotland and Wales and Northen Ireland prop them up.
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 04:25 PM
Aug 2020

It wouldn't surprise me to see the Unitied Kingdom, previously Great Bretagne, before that England, etc. become an amalgam of shires.

Paging King Arthur! Or Cromwell or Henry xxx or

Expect to see this same reversion to feudalism happening in the US.

Meanwhile Vlad is pumping iron.

jaxexpat

(6,849 posts)
22. "reversion to feudalism happening in the US.".............
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 08:56 AM
Aug 2020

been ongoing for a while. It's simply a matter of changing the names.

So there is no permanence in human endeavor. Who would have guessed?

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
20. No we wouldn't.
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 10:58 PM
Aug 2020

Death rate per 100,000 in the UK from Covid is 70.3 and in the U.S. is 50.1. Case fatality rate in the UK is 14.9% and in the U.S. is 3.2%. Why would we want the UK's numbers?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

OneCrazyDiamond

(2,032 posts)
26. No.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:39 PM
Aug 2020

I don't want anyone to die from this. But our country would love to only have 314K cases. Instead we have over 5 million.

robbob

(3,538 posts)
28. You're right, but for more then one reason!
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 12:27 AM
Aug 2020

The USA has just under 5X the population of the UK. So, even considering the population difference, the UK Covid numbers would translate to just over 1.5 million US cases. The USA currently has over 3X that number.

OneCrazyDiamond

(2,032 posts)
29. .
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 12:48 PM
Aug 2020
Thank you. I wasn't trying to be confrontational, and certainly don't want more people (even trumpers) dying from this.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
11. Interesting the parallels
Wed Aug 12, 2020, 03:25 PM
Aug 2020

Between our government and theirs over the years from Reagan Thatcher all the way til now and I bet after Biden wins Johnson is out not long after.

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