Megachurch pastor uses sermon to ‘endorse Jesus’ but encourages voting for Romney
Source: Raw Story
Megachurch pastor uses sermon to endorse Jesus but encourages voting for Romney
By David Edwards
Monday, October 8, 2012 11:46 EDT
A megachurch pastor in San Diego became one of up to 2,000 clergy around the country to defy IRS rules and announce their support of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney on Sunday.
Some came to here to hear an endorsement, Skyline Church Pastor Jim Garlow told his congregation, according to The San Diego Union-Tribune. My endorsement will be Jesus. Ill tell you whom Im going to vote for, but I dont think that makes it an endorsement. Im going to vote for Mitt Romney, but Im not telling you to.
The conservative Christian group Alliance Defending Freedom organized Pulpit Freedom Sunday to oppose the Johnson amendment in Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, which prohibits charities and religious institutions from endorsing or opposing specific candidates. Participating pastors hoped to goad the government into prosecuting them by sending videos of their sermons to the IRS, with the ultimate goal of challenging the law in court.
It is clear that the president of the United States doesnt stand on these issues that Ive been talking about, only Mitt Romney, Garlow told a church group on Saturday. All I can say is this is a biblical standard of how to vote, and who are we going to vote for these next four years?
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/08/megachurch-pastor-uses-sermon-to-endorse-jesus-but-encourages-voting-for-romney/
Blue Owl
(50,393 posts)n/t
MADem
(135,425 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)IRS!!
jmowreader
(50,559 posts)And...oh, send tax bills to the other 1,999 preachers who decided to break the law by endorsing from their tax-exempt pulpits. Just think: we could reduce the deficit by HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS if not BILLIONS every year by making these jackals pay their fair share!
LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)Socal31
(2,484 posts)I don't want to tell the "faithful" that they can't fork over their hard earned dough to these scam artists, any more than I want them telling me I can't hand over mine to the local casino if I want.
However, I believe the days of them not paying taxes on these hauls needs to be OVER. I am in a business where I get to see what certain people make, and it is scary.
jerseyjack
(1,361 posts)You're gonna ruin my retirement plans.
Socal31
(2,484 posts)I think you will be fine.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)They just have to give up the gift of not paying taxes which is what it is as there is nothing in the constitution written that requires they be given tax free status.
rebuke
(56 posts)Just what we need....a mouthpiece from God that defies not only the Constitution but the Frickin Tax Code....what will come next Church accounts in the Cayman Islands with COMPLETE tax exemption? Republicans are really solidifying their stupidity. Hold on I see an infomercial from Mike Huckabee!!!!! Onward Christian Soldiers ......(you know the rest of the verses)
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)our financial mess. I don't see any reason for any of them to be non taxed. The repiglicans are big on letting the members of the church provide welfare rather than the govt.(which would fall way short of the need) so I am sure that members of the church can step up and donate an amount greater than or equal to the amount of the taxation.
It's a win/win.
Tax the churches.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:26 PM - Edit history (1)
It would be good for them to have a huge file of these after the election, if possible even then, but it's not likely. If Romney gets elected, he probably will short staff or eliminate the IRS, EPA, FEC, etc. to go for full privatization.
Elections will be pretty much as thing of the past, JMHO. They've shown they intend to disenfranchise broad swaths of the American population from voting, because it won't matter with the government drowned in the bathtub and all services turned over to them. That's who we'll pay and answer to. This is the trend we're on right now. Yes, it can get worse.
This is the most crucial election of my lifetime, watching the trends over the years. We are on the verge of theocracy. Few voices oppose it in the public media. We are making the choice that will rule millions of lives, and cost millions of lives here and abroad, with Romney and Ryan, Grover Nordquist and the Koch brothers calling the shots. They have stolen much of the Commons, but we are busy arguing about other things.
One barrier I see in stopping this, if Obama is elected and this catastrophe put on hold (and I say only on hold, since the right wingers are not going to stop) is this one thing. Although it's clearly illegal, there is a long tradition since the civil rights era in which Reverends Abernathy, Jackson, Sharpton and MLK, all spoke from pulpits.
They made progressive history by organizing the believers to resist the tyranny of the plutocrats of those days. Now we have pulpits doing the opposite of that, but the precedent remains.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)And since they are putting videos online, we only need to look up their addresses.
demosincebirth
(12,537 posts)ButterflyBlood
(12,644 posts)I've always said I'm never going to a church where the pastor wears a tie. Two weeks ago in fact I was at a church where the guy giving the sermon was wearing a hoodie.
dimbear
(6,271 posts)It's sort of the core of it, isn't it? The rich going to hell, I mean. Mitch certainly has his ticket punched straight through express first class private car.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.
... that was Jesus talking.
If they believe that stuff, why don't they believe that stuff? Strange.
Tax'm ta hell.
IndyJones
(1,068 posts)income taxes and property taxes, period.
oldhippydude
(2,514 posts)because of Bush's faith based initiative we actually subsidize the faith industry.. can't understand why everyone just ignores this on first amendment grounds..
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)promoting politics from the pulpit. They now more or less are getting paid to do so.
oldsarge54
(582 posts)I would recommend they work up a sermon based on Romans 13, vs 1 and 2.
I would also recommend they study tax law, rather than challenge the law.
BumRushDaShow
(129,064 posts)by claiming to "My endorsement will be Jesus" but he is going to "vote for Rmoney". So the coward apparently still had enough fear of the IRS to not say "I endorse Rmoney". Alot of sound and fury signifying nothing.
sweetapogee
(1,168 posts)between freedom of speech and taxable assets.
booksenkatz
(3,466 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)they would not take even the tiniest risk at losing their most prized possession.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)And so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.
lalalu
(1,663 posts)and that includes many churches in urban areas.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)I have no problem with that if he had then said that each person needs to vote their conscience. Unfortunately he didn't say that. But he probably didn't cross a line that would get the IRS interested either. Still, had I been in that church and had a chance to respond, I would have voiced my dissent.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)The only deductions should be for secular charitable works with non-church members.
Evasporque
(2,133 posts)Sing to the tune of Give me that Old Tyme Religion...