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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:20 AM Oct 2012

Megachurch pastor uses sermon to ‘endorse Jesus’ but encourages voting for Romney

Source: Raw Story

Megachurch pastor uses sermon to ‘endorse Jesus’ but encourages voting for Romney
By David Edwards
Monday, October 8, 2012 11:46 EDT

A megachurch pastor in San Diego became one of up to 2,000 clergy around the country to defy IRS rules and announce their support of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney on Sunday.

“Some came to here to hear an endorsement,” Skyline Church Pastor Jim Garlow told his congregation, according to The San Diego Union-Tribune. “My endorsement will be Jesus. I’ll tell you whom I’m going to vote for, but I don’t think that makes it an endorsement. I’m going to vote for Mitt Romney, but I’m not telling you to.”

The conservative Christian group Alliance Defending Freedom organized “Pulpit Freedom Sunday” to oppose the Johnson amendment in Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, which prohibits charities and religious institutions from endorsing or opposing specific candidates. Participating pastors hoped to goad the government into prosecuting them by sending videos of their sermons to the IRS, with the ultimate goal of challenging the law in court.

“It is clear that the president of the United States doesn’t stand on these issues that I’ve been talking about, only Mitt Romney,” Garlow told a church group on Saturday. “All I can say is this is a biblical standard of how to vote, and who are we going to vote for these next four years?”


Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/08/megachurch-pastor-uses-sermon-to-endorse-jesus-but-encourages-voting-for-romney/

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Megachurch pastor uses sermon to ‘endorse Jesus’ but encourages voting for Romney (Original Post) Judi Lynn Oct 2012 OP
Jesus Christ, look at this candidate Blue Owl Oct 2012 #1
Time for a letter writing campaign to the IRS, I'd say! nt MADem Oct 2012 #2
just tweet the link to the underthematrix Oct 2012 #3
I endorse sending Jesus and Skyline Church a tax bill jmowreader Oct 2012 #4
Amen to that, I say! Amen! LuckyLib Oct 2012 #8
Nothing gives me the chills like these "mega churches" popping up everywhere. Socal31 Oct 2012 #5
S.T.F.U. I'm planning to start my new mega-church next week on Channel 666. jerseyjack Oct 2012 #18
As long as you are charismatic, look like a salesman, and can constantly refer to some holy book, Socal31 Oct 2012 #25
I want to become a clergy man in your church. JRLeft Oct 2012 #29
I have no problems with churches supporting a candidate. cstanleytech Oct 2012 #6
Taxation is due rebuke Oct 2012 #7
taxing the non profits would sure go a long way to solving 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #21
If the IRS does anything before the election, they'll say it's Obama's idea but don't expect action. freshwest Oct 2012 #9
I'd be more than happy to be part of a coordinated effort to file complaints against the churches davidpdx Oct 2012 #24
He doesn't know Jesus. demosincebirth Oct 2012 #10
Ha ha, he's preaching wearing a tie ButterflyBlood Oct 2012 #11
"Woe to those of you who are rich, for you have received your reward." dimbear Oct 2012 #12
It is easier defacto7 Oct 2012 #14
I think they should do away with the charitable org status exemption and make them all pay IndyJones Oct 2012 #13
its worse than that.... oldhippydude Oct 2012 #15
and this is the real reason the high and mighty churches are 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #22
So called Christians oldsarge54 Oct 2012 #16
In the example given here - the guy wimped out BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #17
There is a fine line sweetapogee Oct 2012 #19
THIS----> booksenkatz Oct 2012 #20
They all know absolutely nothing will happen to them, otherwise NorthCarolina Oct 2012 #23
How would Jesus feel about the 47%? KansDem Oct 2012 #26
It is happening in a lot of churches lalalu Oct 2012 #27
I’m going to vote for Mitt Romney, but I’m not telling you to.” yellowcanine Oct 2012 #28
Make these mega churces pay taxes, come on IRS do your job. sarcasmo Oct 2012 #30
Make ALL churches pay taxes. Blue Idaho Oct 2012 #31
+1 tawadi Oct 2012 #32
"GImme that big-box religion...that WalMart religion..." Evasporque Oct 2012 #33

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
4. I endorse sending Jesus and Skyline Church a tax bill
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:26 AM
Oct 2012

And...oh, send tax bills to the other 1,999 preachers who decided to break the law by endorsing from their tax-exempt pulpits. Just think: we could reduce the deficit by HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS if not BILLIONS every year by making these jackals pay their fair share!

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
5. Nothing gives me the chills like these "mega churches" popping up everywhere.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:30 AM
Oct 2012

I don't want to tell the "faithful" that they can't fork over their hard earned dough to these scam artists, any more than I want them telling me I can't hand over mine to the local casino if I want.

However, I believe the days of them not paying taxes on these hauls needs to be OVER. I am in a business where I get to see what certain people make, and it is scary.

 

jerseyjack

(1,361 posts)
18. S.T.F.U. I'm planning to start my new mega-church next week on Channel 666.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 07:46 AM
Oct 2012

You're gonna ruin my retirement plans.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
25. As long as you are charismatic, look like a salesman, and can constantly refer to some holy book,
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:43 AM
Oct 2012

I think you will be fine.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
6. I have no problems with churches supporting a candidate.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:31 AM
Oct 2012

They just have to give up the gift of not paying taxes which is what it is as there is nothing in the constitution written that requires they be given tax free status.

rebuke

(56 posts)
7. Taxation is due
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:31 AM
Oct 2012

Just what we need....a mouthpiece from God that defies not only the Constitution but the Frickin Tax Code....what will come next Church accounts in the Cayman Islands with COMPLETE tax exemption? Republicans are really solidifying their stupidity. Hold on I see an infomercial from Mike Huckabee!!!!! Onward Christian Soldiers ......(you know the rest of the verses)

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
21. taxing the non profits would sure go a long way to solving
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:31 AM
Oct 2012

our financial mess. I don't see any reason for any of them to be non taxed. The repiglicans are big on letting the members of the church provide welfare rather than the govt.(which would fall way short of the need) so I am sure that members of the church can step up and donate an amount greater than or equal to the amount of the taxation.

It's a win/win.

Tax the churches.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
9. If the IRS does anything before the election, they'll say it's Obama's idea but don't expect action.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:38 AM
Oct 2012

Last edited Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:26 PM - Edit history (1)

It would be good for them to have a huge file of these after the election, if possible even then, but it's not likely. If Romney gets elected, he probably will short staff or eliminate the IRS, EPA, FEC, etc. to go for full privatization.

Elections will be pretty much as thing of the past, JMHO. They've shown they intend to disenfranchise broad swaths of the American population from voting, because it won't matter with the government drowned in the bathtub and all services turned over to them. That's who we'll pay and answer to. This is the trend we're on right now. Yes, it can get worse.

This is the most crucial election of my lifetime, watching the trends over the years. We are on the verge of theocracy. Few voices oppose it in the public media. We are making the choice that will rule millions of lives, and cost millions of lives here and abroad, with Romney and Ryan, Grover Nordquist and the Koch brothers calling the shots. They have stolen much of the Commons, but we are busy arguing about other things.

One barrier I see in stopping this, if Obama is elected and this catastrophe put on hold (and I say only on hold, since the right wingers are not going to stop) is this one thing. Although it's clearly illegal, there is a long tradition since the civil rights era in which Reverends Abernathy, Jackson, Sharpton and MLK, all spoke from pulpits.

They made progressive history by organizing the believers to resist the tyranny of the plutocrats of those days. Now we have pulpits doing the opposite of that, but the precedent remains.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
24. I'd be more than happy to be part of a coordinated effort to file complaints against the churches
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:15 AM
Oct 2012

And since they are putting videos online, we only need to look up their addresses.

ButterflyBlood

(12,644 posts)
11. Ha ha, he's preaching wearing a tie
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:42 AM
Oct 2012

I've always said I'm never going to a church where the pastor wears a tie. Two weeks ago in fact I was at a church where the guy giving the sermon was wearing a hoodie.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
12. "Woe to those of you who are rich, for you have received your reward."
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 12:45 AM
Oct 2012

It's sort of the core of it, isn't it? The rich going to hell, I mean. Mitch certainly has his ticket punched straight through express first class private car.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
14. It is easier
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:16 AM
Oct 2012

for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.
... that was Jesus talking.

If they believe that stuff, why don't they believe that stuff? Strange.

Tax'm ta hell.

IndyJones

(1,068 posts)
13. I think they should do away with the charitable org status exemption and make them all pay
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 02:14 AM
Oct 2012

income taxes and property taxes, period.

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
15. its worse than that....
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:31 AM
Oct 2012

because of Bush's faith based initiative we actually subsidize the faith industry.. can't understand why everyone just ignores this on first amendment grounds..

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
22. and this is the real reason the high and mighty churches are
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:34 AM
Oct 2012

promoting politics from the pulpit. They now more or less are getting paid to do so.

oldsarge54

(582 posts)
16. So called Christians
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 06:11 AM
Oct 2012

I would recommend they work up a sermon based on Romans 13, vs 1 and 2.

I would also recommend they study tax law, rather than challenge the law.

BumRushDaShow

(129,064 posts)
17. In the example given here - the guy wimped out
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 07:44 AM
Oct 2012

by claiming to "My endorsement will be Jesus" but he is going to "vote for Rmoney". So the coward apparently still had enough fear of the IRS to not say "I endorse Rmoney". Alot of sound and fury signifying nothing.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
23. They all know absolutely nothing will happen to them, otherwise
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:56 AM
Oct 2012

they would not take even the tiniest risk at losing their most prized possession.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
26. How would Jesus feel about the 47%?
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:48 AM
Oct 2012


And so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
28. I’m going to vote for Mitt Romney, but I’m not telling you to.”
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 11:00 AM
Oct 2012

I have no problem with that if he had then said that each person needs to vote their conscience. Unfortunately he didn't say that. But he probably didn't cross a line that would get the IRS interested either. Still, had I been in that church and had a chance to respond, I would have voiced my dissent.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
31. Make ALL churches pay taxes.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:30 PM
Oct 2012

The only deductions should be for secular charitable works with non-church members.

Evasporque

(2,133 posts)
33. "GImme that big-box religion...that WalMart religion..."
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:47 PM
Oct 2012

Sing to the tune of Give me that Old Tyme Religion...

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