Mitt Romney's running partner Paul Ryan accused of stealing 'Bean' story from Kurt Cobain
Source: NME
Mitt Romney's running partner in the US election, Paul Ryan, has been accused of stealing an anecdote from the late Nirvana frontman, Kurt Cobain.
In last night's Vice Presidential debate (October 11), Republican congressman Ryan told a story about how his daughter Liza got the nickname Bean, when answering a question about abortion.
Gawker reports that it was quickly pointed out by Twitter users that Ryan's story was similar to Cobain's, who said he gave his daughter, Frances Bean Cobain, her unique middle name because she looked like a kidney bean on his wife Courtney Love's ultrasound scan. Ryan has stated that he is a big fan of Nirvana, as well as Rage Against The Machine.
In the debate, Ryan said: "You know, I think about ten and a half years ago, my wife Janna and I went to Mercy hospital in Janesville where I was born for our seven week ultrasound for our first born child. And we saw that heartbeat. Our little baby was in the shape of a bean, and to this day we have nicknamed our first born, Liza, 'Bean'."
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Read more: http://www.nme.com/news/kurt-cobain/66617
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)These people are shameless.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)be careful about stating something like that? He has no shame and really has no idea
what the real world is aware of.
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,627 posts)Is there anything he won't lie about?!?
jmowreader
(50,561 posts)He also won't lie about being Paul Ryan. That's about it.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)jmowreader
(50,561 posts)Why they don't just break down and say they love Bastiat and Hazlitt I don't know.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Note that public works projects such as Obama has proposed and the diminishment of warlike activity, would not appeal to Romney/Ryan's philosophy.
jmowreader
(50,561 posts)In Hazlitt's book, he says that the baker whose window was broken must forego the purchase of a new suit, so therefore the town is poorer by one suit.
The whole broken-window fallacy revolves around another fallacy: that there is only one customer for either the window or the suit. Another way to look at it is, suppose the baker were going to buy a suit but now has to buy a window. (This of course leaves out the obvious assumption that the baker has been paying business insurance for SOME reason, and that he would of course call his insurance agent, tell him that a ruffian has chucked a rock through his shop window, and asks that the window be replaced under the provisions of his policy. The window replaced, the baker would then slip away to the tailor and get his suit.) This would leave a suit hanging in the tailor's shop. Unseen in this little tale is the lawyer. He would also like to buy a suit, but every time he tries to someone who doesn't wear suits to work like the lawyer does runs down there first--lawyering being very hard and time-consuming work--and snags it before the lawyer ever gets off work. Instead, because the baker has to stay at the shop waiting for the glazier, the tailor calls the lawyer and tells him he's put a suit behind the counter so no one sees it, and wants the lawyer to come over quick to buy it. Hence, the town is now richer by both a window and a suit. No, it will be richer by TWO suits--the suit the lawyer was able to buy out from under the nose of the baker, and the baker's suit he will be able to get because insurance keeps him from having to spend his suit money on windows.
The more pressing question is, does anyone ever go to where windows have been broken and talk about the great windfall in business that awaits a glazier? No, they more likely talk about the business that awaits the lawyer (who has to defend the indefensible ruffian whilst wearing his new suit), the jailer (who has to lock him up) and the street-sweeper (who has to clean up the shards of glass).
fasttense
(17,301 posts)because her ultra sound made the baby look like a bean. Though she gave her daughter a better real name. She and her husband just used it as a nick name.
I think it's silly. Why not call them tadpole or the blob?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)left on green only
(1,484 posts)......only in her case it was a diminution of Belinda. Sometimes we (her people) also called her Beanie.
Just sayin. But I do think that Eddie Munster should be roasted on the spit of public opinion for his plagiarism.
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)Actually, we called him Mame-Chan when we discovered by wife was pregnant. My wife is Japanese so think Mame as in edamame (bean) and "chan" is a term of endearment used at the end of a name. Throughout the first trimester - and especially after the first ultrasound, he was known as Mame-Chan.
shawn703
(2,702 posts)Had to lie about that too.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,627 posts)Kolesar
(31,182 posts)Rambis
(7,774 posts)nolabear
(41,988 posts)ermasdaughter
(85 posts)DearAbby
(12,461 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,333 posts)and won the thread!
donqpublic
(155 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Berlum
(7,044 posts)SDjack
(1,448 posts)42 year old daughter "Bean".
jayfish
(10,039 posts)he has no idea what he's listening to.
calimary
(81,364 posts)paul ryan? WTF? Does he know nothing about Rage Against the Machine? Now there's some strange bedfellows.
jayfish
(10,039 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)How can you claim to have seen over 100 Springsteen concerts and still have no desire to help the working class people of your state. No wonder Bruce won't return Christie's phone calls.
amyrose2712
(3,391 posts)Tom Morello: 'Paul Ryan Is the Embodiment of the Machine Our Music Rages Against'
Rage Against the Machine's guitarist blasts Romney's VP pick and unlikely Rage fan
Paul Ryan's love of Rage Against the Machine is amusing, because he is the embodiment of the machine that our music has been raging against for two decades. Charles Manson loved the Beatles but didn't understand them. Governor Chris Christie loves Bruce Springsteen but doesn't understand him. And Paul Ryan is clueless about his favorite band, Rage Against the Machine.
Ryan claims that he likes Rage's sound, but not the lyrics. Well, I don't care for Paul Ryan's sound or his lyrics. He can like whatever bands he wants, but his guiding vision of shifting revenue more radically to the one percent is antithetical to the message of Rage.
I wonder what Ryan's favorite Rage song is? Is it the one where we condemn the genocide of Native Americans? The one lambasting American imperialism? Our cover of "Fuck the Police"? Or is it the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production? So many excellent choices to jam out to at Young Republican meetings!
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-morello-paul-ryan-is-the-embodiment-of-the-machine-our-music-rages-against-20120816#ixzz297bdLmgc
IggleDoer
(1,186 posts)Ryan's wife was a DC lobbyist and he was a staffer for Sam Brownback before being elected to Congress, they pretty much were DC residents, only using the Janesville address to say he was from that Congressional district when he ran for Congress.
It is likely he spends much more time in DC than in his Wisconsin home. That's pretty common. If his wife was pregnant, it is likely that they would have sought monthly prenatal care in DC, rather than Janesville. As a result, my guess would be that the ultrasound would have been in the DC area (Virginia is for Ultrasound, anyway). He just threw in the Janesville comment to make it sound like he was a regular guy, rather than a DC insider.
Why couldn't he have simply said "When my pregnant wife had her first ultrasound, it looked like a bean." That Janesville crap was superfluous.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)My ex-husband's wife is notorious in the family for lies that are obviously gigantic lies. Little lies aren't enough for pathological liars. They have to be big, big lies...
donqpublic
(155 posts)It may be a reasonable coincidence given the reply post from another DU member with a similar story, but this on the heals of marathon boast/lie it seems suspicious.
If he tells a story about how he and some friends recovered the Ark of the Covenant from Nazi's, then we'll know for sure he's a pathological liar.
I think he lives his life vicariously through stories he hears. I wonder if he purchased any stories from Kramer.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)louis-t
(23,296 posts)"Ay yem win-ning"
Bean
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)jayfish
(10,039 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Is that a British phrase? Does "running mate" have some other connotation?
chelsea0011
(10,115 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)bag of protoplasm from a dumbass who can't use a condom.
trailmonkee
(2,681 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,449 posts)What were they thinking? I'm just saying
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)From the start like he was reading off a cue card.
alfredo
(60,075 posts)krawhitham
(4,645 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)stretching facts and stealing stories. Preachers do this all the time; it's like a fundamentalist tactic and the audience just accepts as fact. Anecdotes that are used and reused become a habit they think will always just slip by and they don't even think twice about it, they may not even think they're lying at the moment. These guys haven't learned you can't do this in the real world; people actually check it out and you are caught in that lie.
Lying as a habit is one of the hardest vices to break, especially if no one has ever called you on it before and in their circuit, it's a rampant technique for propaganda.
StarryNite
(9,456 posts)He has no integrity. Which makes him the perfect candidate for the Rethuglicans.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)glowing
(12,233 posts)The only people I know who have an ultrasound at 7 wks are those who are mandated to before having an abortion and those who are a high risk pregnancy. Just a question for women who have had ultrasounds, what stage of pregnancy where you in when you had your first ultrasound?
I know if you are a high risk pregnancy or older, you may have one (transvaginal)... but normally, its done later on in a pregnancy, as far as most of my friends have experienced. And 10 yrs ago, I'm not sure about a 7 wk old ultrasound? But every pregnancy is different and Dr's different in methods... So, who knows. It just seems an odd thing at 7 wks to do.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)glowing
(12,233 posts)that looks like a bean... My co-worker had an abortion at 6 wks... She thought the scan was her belly button. And the heart beat can be detected at the earliest at 8 wks, but normally closer to 10-13 wks... So, the guy is just full of shit.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)What a lying maroon
wordpix
(18,652 posts)FedUpWithIt All
(4,442 posts)It is clearly visible on most pregnancies at that stage. It looks like a flicker but it can be seen by a layman.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)thanks for your charming story. Tell us a story about a woman who works two jobs, has four kids, and find herself pregnant and without health insurance... who realizes that she can't stay home with a baby or pay for child care. Not everything is like your perfect little rich world, where you go into the hospital and hold hands at the miraculous little bean on the expensive ultrasound test.
matt819
(10,749 posts)And not only because Ryan lies as easily as he breathes. He is a contemporary of Kurt Cobain's, born 3 weeks earlier. I don't know Ryan's musical tastes, but it wouldn't be surprising to learn that he was a fan. He would have come of age, so to speak as Cobain was a popular figure in the music world.
toby jo
(1,269 posts)ask, 'so which one of you is Bean?'
mzmolly
(51,002 posts)liberal N proud
(60,338 posts)My bullshit alarm went of (but that was normal last night), I thought that republican politicians were just bad as sincerity.
daleo
(21,317 posts)A human bean.
StarryNite
(9,456 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)southerncrone
(5,506 posts)They constantly resort to stealing from others...not just money & resources, but life experiences. Pitiful & pathetic.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)of the guy with the sub-3-hour marathon, wouldn't it?
Does this guy have any real accomplishments, or original thoughts? Or is it all just appropriated BS to boost his own stature?
Actually, I don't need an answer to that.
onenote
(42,723 posts)You can look it up: "bean" or some derivative thereof is one of, if not the most common "prenatal" nicknames. I suspect that overwhelming majority of folks who adopt that nickname for a child haven't a clue that Kurt Cobain also gave his child that nickname.
There is such a multitude of easily established lies coming out of Paul Ryan's mouth that making a unprovable claim that will sound nothing short of desperate to the many many people who have used the same nickname or know others who have -- and thus undercuts the credibility of those pointing out the actual, provable lies -- is just stupid.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and pregnancy. Ryan is taking his sentimentality about a wanted child as evidence that people who are in a position to want an abortion instead should consider that in their circumstances.
PfcHammer
(1,653 posts)You can insert any favorite food item. Maybe a new meme.