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highplainsdem

(49,012 posts)
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:33 PM Oct 2012

Mitt Romney's running partner Paul Ryan accused of stealing 'Bean' story from Kurt Cobain

Source: NME

Mitt Romney's running partner in the US election, Paul Ryan, has been accused of stealing an anecdote from the late Nirvana frontman, Kurt Cobain.

In last night's Vice Presidential debate (October 11), Republican congressman Ryan told a story about how his daughter Liza got the nickname Bean, when answering a question about abortion.

Gawker reports that it was quickly pointed out by Twitter users that Ryan's story was similar to Cobain's, who said he gave his daughter, Frances Bean Cobain, her unique middle name because she looked like a kidney bean on his wife Courtney Love's ultrasound scan. Ryan has stated that he is a big fan of Nirvana, as well as Rage Against The Machine.

In the debate, Ryan said: "You know, I think about ten and a half years ago, my wife Janna and I went to Mercy hospital in Janesville where I was born for our seven week ultrasound for our first born child. And we saw that heartbeat. Our little baby was in the shape of a bean, and to this day we have nicknamed our first born, Liza, 'Bean'."

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Read more: http://www.nme.com/news/kurt-cobain/66617

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Mitt Romney's running partner Paul Ryan accused of stealing 'Bean' story from Kurt Cobain (Original Post) highplainsdem Oct 2012 OP
I wouldn't be surprised. MrSlayer Oct 2012 #1
And so fucking stupid. If he once stated that he was a Nirvana guy, then wouldn't he busterbrown Oct 2012 #25
A man who lies about his marathon time will lie about anything. He totally broke the runners code. Happyhippychick Oct 2012 #2
Lame!!! fleur-de-lisa Oct 2012 #3
That he's a Catholic jmowreader Oct 2012 #16
Or a devotee of Ayn Rand... Until recently. freshwest Oct 2012 #32
Now it's Thomas Aquinas jmowreader Oct 2012 #66
The thought provoking parable of the broken window: freshwest Oct 2012 #71
There is another way to look at it, of course jmowreader Oct 2012 #72
My stepdaughter called her 1st born daughter bean too fasttense Oct 2012 #4
My little sister was termed "Nugget" for about the same reasons. Scootaloo Oct 2012 #9
I once had a GF whose name was Bean...... left on green only Oct 2012 #55
We called our's the Little Bean too. Lucky Luciano Oct 2012 #63
Couldn't even tell a story from the heart regarding why he is pro-life shawn703 Oct 2012 #5
Romney/Ryan: Smells like team bullshit KurtNYC Oct 2012 #6
LOL !!! fleur-de-lisa Oct 2012 #15
BWAHAHHA!! Kali Oct 2012 #24
There's a lot we can do with this! eom Kolesar Oct 2012 #27
That is Quality! Rambis Oct 2012 #28
BWAH! I genuflect in your general direction! nolabear Oct 2012 #34
HI-LAR-IOUS!!! ermasdaughter Oct 2012 #36
MALARKEY! ....n/t DearAbby Oct 2012 #43
You've hit the nail on the head muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #50
That is going to put me off using kidney beans in my chili and i like my chili. n/t donqpublic Oct 2012 #7
Well you could call your next child/grandchild Chili. Auntie Bush Oct 2012 #54
You're supposed to use PINTO beans anyway, silly. kestrel91316 Oct 2012 #56
Could be worse: My parents named me "Ugly bag of mostly water" BlueJazz Oct 2012 #8
lol nt Live and Learn Oct 2012 #19
Ryan was just trying to say he gets weepy when it come to his Beanie Baby Berlum Oct 2012 #10
Retroactively, I'm going to name my SDjack Oct 2012 #11
If he's a fan of RATM then... jayfish Oct 2012 #12
Yeah, no kidding! I noticed that, too. paul ryan - a fan of Rage Against the Machine???? calimary Oct 2012 #18
I'm sure he thinks it makes him sound super hip. jayfish Oct 2012 #22
Kinda the same thing with Chris Christie being a fan of Bruce Springsteen LynneSin Oct 2012 #26
Tom Morello: 'Paul Ryan Is the Embodiment of the Machine Our Music Rages Against' amyrose2712 Oct 2012 #37
When I heard the story, I questioned its truthfulness. IggleDoer Oct 2012 #13
I think pathological liars just naturally want to embroider their lies with more lies. CTyankee Oct 2012 #69
My thoughts donqpublic Oct 2012 #14
And I thought they called him 'Mr. Bean' because of his resemblance to... tomm2thumbs Oct 2012 #17
"Did I o-winnn?" louis-t Oct 2012 #21
He's the one who likes all our pretty songs and he likes sing along...eom Kolesar Oct 2012 #20
Perfect! jayfish Oct 2012 #23
Running Partner? oberliner Oct 2012 #29
Stealing from Cobain? Courtney will come looking for him, I would be very afraid. chelsea0011 Oct 2012 #30
I would probably call her RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #31
stank of insincerity when he told that one... trailmonkee Oct 2012 #33
Stories like that inevitable fail when the teller has no emotional investment in it Brother Buzz Oct 2012 #47
Sounded like a scripted story ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #35
I hope this goes viral alfredo Oct 2012 #38
"Republican hopeful for vice president digs grunge and metal, including Nirvana" krawhitham Oct 2012 #39
He's too used to defacto7 Oct 2012 #40
Liar and Thief! StarryNite Oct 2012 #41
Maybe Dave Grohl can call the Ryan camp and tell them to stop stealing Kurt's lyrics. sarcasmo Oct 2012 #42
BTW, has anyone googled a picture of a 7 wk ultrasound? glowing Oct 2012 #44
yeah i thought that was weird. Usually they look like space aliens when you get the ultrasound. nt progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #46
And there is no way, if it was a normal belly ultrasound that he saw a heart in a shape glowing Oct 2012 #53
sounds like Lyin's tryin to alert women to the 7-wk. fetus with a heartbeat that doesn't exist wordpix Oct 2012 #57
this website says the heartbeat CAN be detected at 7-8 wks by ultrasound wordpix Oct 2012 #58
I've seen a heartbeat flicker on my 6 1/2 week ultrasound. FedUpWithIt All Oct 2012 #61
Oh Ryan, not EVERy woman has a rich family and insurance and a husband when she's pregnant. progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #45
Wouldn't be surprising matt819 Oct 2012 #48
the next time the kids are out in the public eye, somebody should just up and toby jo Oct 2012 #49
Love the graphic! mzmolly Oct 2012 #51
That might be why I didn't believe him liberal N proud Oct 2012 #52
Everyone looks like a bean daleo Oct 2012 #59
Lol 2theleft Oct 2012 #73
Is serial lying a prerequisite to running on the Repub ticket? StarryNite Oct 2012 #60
Meh. Asshole. lonestarnot Oct 2012 #62
They cannot have an original thought of their own. southerncrone Oct 2012 #64
Remember the crap Republicans gave Gore in 2000 about details of some of his stories. Payback time. yellowcanine Oct 2012 #65
This would be typical truebluegreen Oct 2012 #67
Sorry to be a wet blanket, but this is a truly dumb story onenote Oct 2012 #68
True. And in both cases, it was a wanted child treestar Oct 2012 #70
"It looked like a nacho." PfcHammer Oct 2012 #74

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
25. And so fucking stupid. If he once stated that he was a Nirvana guy, then wouldn't he
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:36 PM
Oct 2012

be careful about stating something like that? He has no shame and really has no idea
what the real world is aware of.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
66. Now it's Thomas Aquinas
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:12 AM
Oct 2012

Why they don't just break down and say they love Bastiat and Hazlitt I don't know.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
71. The thought provoking parable of the broken window:
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:14 PM
Oct 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

Note that public works projects such as Obama has proposed and the diminishment of warlike activity, would not appeal to Romney/Ryan's philosophy.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
72. There is another way to look at it, of course
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 09:45 PM
Oct 2012

In Hazlitt's book, he says that the baker whose window was broken must forego the purchase of a new suit, so therefore the town is poorer by one suit.

The whole broken-window fallacy revolves around another fallacy: that there is only one customer for either the window or the suit. Another way to look at it is, suppose the baker were going to buy a suit but now has to buy a window. (This of course leaves out the obvious assumption that the baker has been paying business insurance for SOME reason, and that he would of course call his insurance agent, tell him that a ruffian has chucked a rock through his shop window, and asks that the window be replaced under the provisions of his policy. The window replaced, the baker would then slip away to the tailor and get his suit.) This would leave a suit hanging in the tailor's shop. Unseen in this little tale is the lawyer. He would also like to buy a suit, but every time he tries to someone who doesn't wear suits to work like the lawyer does runs down there first--lawyering being very hard and time-consuming work--and snags it before the lawyer ever gets off work. Instead, because the baker has to stay at the shop waiting for the glazier, the tailor calls the lawyer and tells him he's put a suit behind the counter so no one sees it, and wants the lawyer to come over quick to buy it. Hence, the town is now richer by both a window and a suit. No, it will be richer by TWO suits--the suit the lawyer was able to buy out from under the nose of the baker, and the baker's suit he will be able to get because insurance keeps him from having to spend his suit money on windows.

The more pressing question is, does anyone ever go to where windows have been broken and talk about the great windfall in business that awaits a glazier? No, they more likely talk about the business that awaits the lawyer (who has to defend the indefensible ruffian whilst wearing his new suit), the jailer (who has to lock him up) and the street-sweeper (who has to clean up the shards of glass).

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
4. My stepdaughter called her 1st born daughter bean too
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:37 PM
Oct 2012

because her ultra sound made the baby look like a bean. Though she gave her daughter a better real name. She and her husband just used it as a nick name.

I think it's silly. Why not call them tadpole or the blob?

left on green only

(1,484 posts)
55. I once had a GF whose name was Bean......
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:43 PM
Oct 2012

......only in her case it was a diminution of Belinda. Sometimes we (her people) also called her Beanie.

Just sayin. But I do think that Eddie Munster should be roasted on the spit of public opinion for his plagiarism.

Lucky Luciano

(11,257 posts)
63. We called our's the Little Bean too.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 12:16 AM
Oct 2012

Actually, we called him Mame-Chan when we discovered by wife was pregnant. My wife is Japanese so think Mame as in edamame (bean) and "chan" is a term of endearment used at the end of a name. Throughout the first trimester - and especially after the first ultrasound, he was known as Mame-Chan.

calimary

(81,364 posts)
18. Yeah, no kidding! I noticed that, too. paul ryan - a fan of Rage Against the Machine????
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:18 PM
Oct 2012

paul ryan? WTF? Does he know nothing about Rage Against the Machine? Now there's some strange bedfellows.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
26. Kinda the same thing with Chris Christie being a fan of Bruce Springsteen
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:39 PM
Oct 2012

How can you claim to have seen over 100 Springsteen concerts and still have no desire to help the working class people of your state. No wonder Bruce won't return Christie's phone calls.

amyrose2712

(3,391 posts)
37. Tom Morello: 'Paul Ryan Is the Embodiment of the Machine Our Music Rages Against'
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:15 PM
Oct 2012

Tom Morello: 'Paul Ryan Is the Embodiment of the Machine Our Music Rages Against'

Rage Against the Machine's guitarist blasts Romney's VP pick and unlikely Rage fan


Paul Ryan's love of Rage Against the Machine is amusing, because he is the embodiment of the machine that our music has been raging against for two decades. Charles Manson loved the Beatles but didn't understand them. Governor Chris Christie loves Bruce Springsteen but doesn't understand him. And Paul Ryan is clueless about his favorite band, Rage Against the Machine.

Ryan claims that he likes Rage's sound, but not the lyrics. Well, I don't care for Paul Ryan's sound or his lyrics. He can like whatever bands he wants, but his guiding vision of shifting revenue more radically to the one percent is antithetical to the message of Rage.

I wonder what Ryan's favorite Rage song is? Is it the one where we condemn the genocide of Native Americans? The one lambasting American imperialism? Our cover of "Fuck the Police"? Or is it the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production? So many excellent choices to jam out to at Young Republican meetings!




Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-morello-paul-ryan-is-the-embodiment-of-the-machine-our-music-rages-against-20120816#ixzz297bdLmgc

IggleDoer

(1,186 posts)
13. When I heard the story, I questioned its truthfulness.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 03:58 PM
Oct 2012

Ryan's wife was a DC lobbyist and he was a staffer for Sam Brownback before being elected to Congress, they pretty much were DC residents, only using the Janesville address to say he was from that Congressional district when he ran for Congress.

It is likely he spends much more time in DC than in his Wisconsin home. That's pretty common. If his wife was pregnant, it is likely that they would have sought monthly prenatal care in DC, rather than Janesville. As a result, my guess would be that the ultrasound would have been in the DC area (Virginia is for Ultrasound, anyway). He just threw in the Janesville comment to make it sound like he was a regular guy, rather than a DC insider.

Why couldn't he have simply said "When my pregnant wife had her first ultrasound, it looked like a bean." That Janesville crap was superfluous.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
69. I think pathological liars just naturally want to embroider their lies with more lies.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 01:38 PM
Oct 2012

My ex-husband's wife is notorious in the family for lies that are obviously gigantic lies. Little lies aren't enough for pathological liars. They have to be big, big lies...

donqpublic

(155 posts)
14. My thoughts
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 04:01 PM
Oct 2012

It may be a reasonable coincidence given the reply post from another DU member with a similar story, but this on the heals of marathon boast/lie it seems suspicious.

If he tells a story about how he and some friends recovered the Ark of the Covenant from Nazi's, then we'll know for sure he's a pathological liar.

I think he lives his life vicariously through stories he hears. I wonder if he purchased any stories from Kramer.

Brother Buzz

(36,449 posts)
47. Stories like that inevitable fail when the teller has no emotional investment in it
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:00 PM
Oct 2012

What were they thinking? I'm just saying

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
40. He's too used to
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:23 PM
Oct 2012

stretching facts and stealing stories. Preachers do this all the time; it's like a fundamentalist tactic and the audience just accepts as fact. Anecdotes that are used and reused become a habit they think will always just slip by and they don't even think twice about it, they may not even think they're lying at the moment. These guys haven't learned you can't do this in the real world; people actually check it out and you are caught in that lie.

Lying as a habit is one of the hardest vices to break, especially if no one has ever called you on it before and in their circuit, it's a rampant technique for propaganda.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
44. BTW, has anyone googled a picture of a 7 wk ultrasound?
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:49 PM
Oct 2012

The only people I know who have an ultrasound at 7 wks are those who are mandated to before having an abortion and those who are a high risk pregnancy. Just a question for women who have had ultrasounds, what stage of pregnancy where you in when you had your first ultrasound?

I know if you are a high risk pregnancy or older, you may have one (transvaginal)... but normally, its done later on in a pregnancy, as far as most of my friends have experienced. And 10 yrs ago, I'm not sure about a 7 wk old ultrasound? But every pregnancy is different and Dr's different in methods... So, who knows. It just seems an odd thing at 7 wks to do.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
53. And there is no way, if it was a normal belly ultrasound that he saw a heart in a shape
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:33 PM
Oct 2012

that looks like a bean... My co-worker had an abortion at 6 wks... She thought the scan was her belly button. And the heart beat can be detected at the earliest at 8 wks, but normally closer to 10-13 wks... So, the guy is just full of shit.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
57. sounds like Lyin's tryin to alert women to the 7-wk. fetus with a heartbeat that doesn't exist
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:49 PM
Oct 2012

What a lying maroon

FedUpWithIt All

(4,442 posts)
61. I've seen a heartbeat flicker on my 6 1/2 week ultrasound.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:59 PM
Oct 2012

It is clearly visible on most pregnancies at that stage. It looks like a flicker but it can be seen by a layman.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
45. Oh Ryan, not EVERy woman has a rich family and insurance and a husband when she's pregnant.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 05:54 PM
Oct 2012

thanks for your charming story. Tell us a story about a woman who works two jobs, has four kids, and find herself pregnant and without health insurance... who realizes that she can't stay home with a baby or pay for child care. Not everything is like your perfect little rich world, where you go into the hospital and hold hands at the miraculous little bean on the expensive ultrasound test.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
48. Wouldn't be surprising
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:11 PM
Oct 2012

And not only because Ryan lies as easily as he breathes. He is a contemporary of Kurt Cobain's, born 3 weeks earlier. I don't know Ryan's musical tastes, but it wouldn't be surprising to learn that he was a fan. He would have come of age, so to speak as Cobain was a popular figure in the music world.

 

toby jo

(1,269 posts)
49. the next time the kids are out in the public eye, somebody should just up and
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:20 PM
Oct 2012

ask, 'so which one of you is Bean?'

liberal N proud

(60,338 posts)
52. That might be why I didn't believe him
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:30 PM
Oct 2012

My bullshit alarm went of (but that was normal last night), I thought that republican politicians were just bad as sincerity.

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
64. They cannot have an original thought of their own.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 12:19 AM
Oct 2012

They constantly resort to stealing from others...not just money & resources, but life experiences. Pitiful & pathetic.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
67. This would be typical
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 11:54 AM
Oct 2012

of the guy with the sub-3-hour marathon, wouldn't it?

Does this guy have any real accomplishments, or original thoughts? Or is it all just appropriated BS to boost his own stature?

Actually, I don't need an answer to that.

onenote

(42,723 posts)
68. Sorry to be a wet blanket, but this is a truly dumb story
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 12:00 PM
Oct 2012

You can look it up: "bean" or some derivative thereof is one of, if not the most common "prenatal" nicknames. I suspect that overwhelming majority of folks who adopt that nickname for a child haven't a clue that Kurt Cobain also gave his child that nickname.

There is such a multitude of easily established lies coming out of Paul Ryan's mouth that making a unprovable claim that will sound nothing short of desperate to the many many people who have used the same nickname or know others who have -- and thus undercuts the credibility of those pointing out the actual, provable lies -- is just stupid.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
70. True. And in both cases, it was a wanted child
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 01:50 PM
Oct 2012

and pregnancy. Ryan is taking his sentimentality about a wanted child as evidence that people who are in a position to want an abortion instead should consider that in their circumstances.

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