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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 07:44 PM Oct 2012

New Mexico licenses won't work in airports under federal law: governor

Source: Reuters

New Mexico's policy of granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants will violate a federal law taking effect in January, meaning residents won't be able to use their licenses as ID to board airplanes, the state's governor says.

"It's deeply concerning that New Mexicans who work at our labs, get on an airplane, or need to show identification at any other federal facility will no longer be able to use their driver's license to do so," New Mexico Governor Susana Martinez said in a statement.

States have until Monday to tell the federal government whether they plan to comply with the federal Real ID Act, which is scheduled to go into effect January 15 after several delays in implementation since it was passed in 2005. The law creates national standards for the issuance of state driver's licenses and identification cards.

... Peter Simonson, executive director of the New Mexico chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, called Martinez's letter a "scare tactic meant to advance her agenda of dismantling New Mexico's driver's license law."

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/12/us-usa-newmexico-licenses-idUSBRE89B1E520121012

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New Mexico licenses won't work in airports under federal law: governor (Original Post) Newsjock Oct 2012 OP
So we have "national standards for the issuance of state driver's licenses and identification cards" CurtEastPoint Oct 2012 #1
Not entirely true. Igel Oct 2012 #5
This is so silly. So, I am at ATL airport and they say, "You're from NM? Sorry, you're not a US citi keopeli Oct 2012 #2
GOP, is she? freshwest Oct 2012 #10
bullshit Skittles Oct 2012 #3
Airlines and airports and the TSA can all go screw themselves. bemildred Oct 2012 #4
I still don't understand why an illegal immigrant is entitled to any government priviliges. PavePusher Oct 2012 #6
Because it keeps society a safer place. Lars39 Oct 2012 #7
Maybe I was too subtle, but you entirely missed the larger point. PavePusher Oct 2012 #8
Since there will always be illegal immigrants, I'd rather they know how to drive safely. Lars39 Oct 2012 #9
Or... we could simply detain them when they show up at the DMV. PavePusher Oct 2012 #13
You detain them when they show at the DMV and and you will get zip after the Lars39 Oct 2012 #16
Flying isn't a government privilege treestar Oct 2012 #12
Quite true. PavePusher Oct 2012 #14
Because that would turn the airline into a border patrol agent treestar Oct 2012 #18
It's not the airlines doing the screening. PavePusher Oct 2012 #19
Could an illegal immigrant fly with a passport treestar Oct 2012 #11
If they are here illegally, they would be missing the appropriate entry stamps/visa/paperwork. PavePusher Oct 2012 #15
They can have a passport that identifies them treestar Oct 2012 #17

CurtEastPoint

(18,655 posts)
1. So we have "national standards for the issuance of state driver's licenses and identification cards"
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 07:52 PM
Oct 2012

but no national standards for voting.

Igel

(35,332 posts)
5. Not entirely true.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 11:33 AM
Oct 2012

We have national standards for whether or not a federal agency will accept a drivers license as proof of citizenship/residency. States can do whatever they want for their DLs. Nothing requires that the feds accept DLs as proof of citizenship/residency for federal purposes.

We also have some national standards for voting. For instance, NY had to trash its lever machines because they didn't meet national standards. Optical scanners, e-Slate, and some other electronic standards do.

In the case of truly egregious voting practices, though, since voting is ultimately a political matter there's a political solution--not having state-level election results for national office accepted at the federal level. Electors aren't seated, the House and Senate can reject a member. Not that this is likely to happen this time round or the next couple of times.

keopeli

(3,524 posts)
2. This is so silly. So, I am at ATL airport and they say, "You're from NM? Sorry, you're not a US citi
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 08:50 PM
Oct 2012

Citizen, you can't fly.

Riiiight.

Most certainly a scare tactic from our well-to-do governor.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
4. Airlines and airports and the TSA can all go screw themselves.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 06:29 AM
Oct 2012

I will never fly again exceept under duress.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
6. I still don't understand why an illegal immigrant is entitled to any government priviliges.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 03:45 PM
Oct 2012

I've traveled all over the world. If I'd ever been caught entering any other country illegally, I really don't think I'd be able to get a driver's licence there.

Lars39

(26,110 posts)
7. Because it keeps society a safer place.
Sat Oct 13, 2012, 04:10 PM
Oct 2012

Who would you rather have driving on our roads, a person who has no idea of our driving laws and safety issues, or someone who had to learn our driving laws and how to drive safely?

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
8. Maybe I was too subtle, but you entirely missed the larger point.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 12:17 PM
Oct 2012

Let's deal with the illegal immigration problem,then the drivers licence problem/debate won't even be an issue.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
13. Or... we could simply detain them when they show up at the DMV.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:01 PM
Oct 2012

Again... why give them priviliges instead of dealing with the basic problem?

Lars39

(26,110 posts)
16. You detain them when they show at the DMV and and you will get zip after the
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:18 PM
Oct 2012

Initial token arrests, and then you are back to square one with people who are here illegally not knowing how to drive safely on our roads.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
12. Flying isn't a government privilege
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:52 PM
Oct 2012

Whatever that is. It is a matter of identity and not letting terrorists on board. Terrorists could be citizens or legal aliens (like most of the hijackers)

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
14. Quite true.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:03 PM
Oct 2012

But why not also screen out the people here illegally? They "could be" many other things in addition to simply being here in violation of our laws.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
18. Because that would turn the airline into a border patrol agent
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:36 PM
Oct 2012

And they'd have to be trained in determining who was here legally or not. And legal tourists would not have driver's licenses - just passports of their countries.

Illegals are not worth worrying that much about. Where else would you have them screened for? Libraries? Supermarkets?

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
19. It's not the airlines doing the screening.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:14 PM
Oct 2012

Unless you are proposing doing away with the TSA (I'd endorse that) and making airlines responsible for their own security (I'd endorse that as well, but they'd have to be liable for any criminal action that takes place on their planes). But that's a subject for a different discussion.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
11. Could an illegal immigrant fly with a passport
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:51 PM
Oct 2012

from his own country? If the idea is identity, that should be sufficient. What do we are if illegal aliens fly? Terrorists could be citizens. Most of the 911 hijackers were legally in the US. So this stuff has never really made any sense.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
15. If they are here illegally, they would be missing the appropriate entry stamps/visa/paperwork.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:05 PM
Oct 2012

Fairly simple to catch.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
17. They can have a passport that identifies them
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:34 PM
Oct 2012

From their country. The airlines has to time to check visas and we certainly don't have time to have the border patrol checking every person who boards a domestic aircraft. The identity is all they need.

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