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Cirque du So-What

(25,939 posts)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:06 PM Oct 2012

Longtime GOP Senate moderate Arlen Specter dies

Source: Associated Press

Longtime GOP Senate moderate Arlen Specter dies

By PETER JACKSON, Associated Press – 2 minutes ago

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — Former U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter, the outspoken Pennsylvania centrist whose switch from Republican to Democrat ended a 30-year career in which he played a pivotal role in several Supreme Court nominations, died Sunday. He was 82.

Specter, who announced in late August that he was battling cancer, died at his home in Philadelphia from complications of non-Hodgkins lymphoma, said his son Shanin. Over the years, Arlen Specter had fought two previous bouts with Hodgkin's disease, overcome a brain tumor and survived cardiac arrest following bypass surgery.

Specter rose to prominence in the 1960s as an aggressive Philadelphia prosecutor and as an assistant counsel to the Warren Commission, developing the single-bullet theory that posited just one bullet struck both President Kennedy and Texas Gov. John Connally — an assumption critical to the argument that presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. The theory remains controversial and was the focus of Oliver Stone's 1991 movie "JFK."

In 1987, Specter helped thwart the Supreme Court nomination of former federal appeals Judge Robert H. Bork — earning him conservative enemies who still bitterly refer to such rejections as being "borked."

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Longtime GOP Senate moderate Arlen Specter dies (Original Post) Cirque du So-What Oct 2012 OP
RIP Senator GrantDem Oct 2012 #1
Really sad; I didn't realize he had gotten so sick, but he's been babylonsister Oct 2012 #2
He was better than most tblue Oct 2012 #3
R.I.P. Arlen Specter glacierbay Oct 2012 #4
He was one of very few Republicans I had any respect for AgingAmerican Oct 2012 #5
RIP Senator, you will be missed sasha031 Oct 2012 #6
RIP Genuninely sad to read this MotherPetrie Oct 2012 #7
RIP otohara Oct 2012 #8
Sad spinbaby Oct 2012 #9
RIP Senator Specter MgtPA Oct 2012 #10
He accused Anita Hill of lying under oath DURHAM D Oct 2012 #11
I never forgave him for his attacks on Anita Hill JSK Oct 2012 #22
you got it. He was a weasel. russspeakeasy Oct 2012 #25
Me either.. sendero Oct 2012 #82
I'll never forget or forgive it either. Demoiselle Oct 2012 #84
Thank you for speaking up gopiscrap Oct 2012 #61
go where you are going, Arlen but don't expect me to miss roguevalley Oct 2012 #65
I'm totally with you on this. I might say this only once or twice in a lifetime, ancianita Oct 2012 #74
Fought one hell of a fight against cancer PlanetBev Oct 2012 #12
Indeed bluestateguy Oct 2012 #29
The trouble with being one of the few 'moderate' Republicans... Cirque du So-What Oct 2012 #13
RIP Senator. nm rhett o rick Oct 2012 #14
RIP Senator Spector. He had a long and substantial life. nt progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #15
RIP Gothmog Oct 2012 #16
RIP, Senator! Odin2005 Oct 2012 #17
RIP..... Ninga Oct 2012 #18
Death in any circumstance is sad SemperEadem Oct 2012 #19
Damn... Cooley Hurd Oct 2012 #20
Fox News will cheer. Faygo Kid Oct 2012 #21
RIP, Arlen Specter. Duval Oct 2012 #23
Did The "Single Bullet Theory" Die With Him? triplepoint Oct 2012 #24
Sincerely one can only hope so. avaistheone1 Oct 2012 #37
He was part of the coverup with his single bullet theorey... lib2DaBone Oct 2012 #63
He is one of the last lillypaddle Oct 2012 #26
RIP Senator Specter. I think I frightened one of your staffers. Patiod Oct 2012 #27
Rest in Peace Senator proud patriot Oct 2012 #28
I just wish he'd taken Clarence Thomas with him. TahitiNut Oct 2012 #30
Rest in Peace scarletlib Oct 2012 #31
RIP Senator krawhitham Oct 2012 #32
To the funniest Senator I ever met, and the only Republican I ever voted for. Blue State Bandit Oct 2012 #33
I'm not much a fan of grave dancing. Fearless Oct 2012 #34
My mama taught me if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything. AAO Oct 2012 #45
My KKKarl Rove song, Ding Dong... kooljerk666 Oct 2012 #77
RIP Senator Specter richmwill Oct 2012 #35
RIP, sorry to hear of his passing. wisteria Oct 2012 #36
He one of the few who spoke up against the Tea-bag idiots that bused into every town hall meeting. Crowman1979 Oct 2012 #38
An American before being a Republican guappo1 Oct 2012 #39
"true American"?? Even when he was attacking Anita Hill? What.The.Fuck. kath Oct 2012 #60
What the hell is everybody smoking ? russspeakeasy Oct 2012 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #53
Couldn't agree more. russspeakeasy Oct 2012 #59
Agreed fuck him gopiscrap Oct 2012 #62
Conspiracy entrepreneurs. OnyxCollie Oct 2012 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #71
Following a heuristic (in a false conspiracy theory) can produce errors. OnyxCollie Oct 2012 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #75
Thank you. I was wondering the same thing myself. ancianita Oct 2012 #76
What are you smoking? (+ a few things we should be grateful to him for) frazzled Oct 2012 #54
RIP Senator Specter Gemini Cat Oct 2012 #41
My condolences to his family. May he rest in peace. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #42
R.I.P. to a decent human being. Thank you, for your service. AAO Oct 2012 #43
Sweet release from the pain he suffered being a Republican Moderate. RIP Sen. Specter. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2012 #44
"Moderate" n/t D23MIURG23 Oct 2012 #46
R.I.P. Senator Specter. n/t Tx4obama Oct 2012 #47
RIP Senator. Vidar Oct 2012 #48
i liked it that he decided to Teach after he lost his Senate Race JI7 Oct 2012 #49
God rest his soul. CBHagman Oct 2012 #50
R.I.P. DemKittyNC Oct 2012 #51
I'll remember Senator Arlen Spector helping to pass the ACA &. I will always remember one more special time; Astazia Oct 2012 #57
RIP Arlen Demonaut Oct 2012 #52
Good man. RIP 840high Oct 2012 #55
RIP Senator. We had some big disagreements, but in the end you did good Taverner Oct 2012 #56
One of the better Repubs. R.I.P. JimDandy Oct 2012 #58
RIP Senator Specter Liberalynn Oct 2012 #64
So how does this shape the Senate in the future? Left Coast2020 Oct 2012 #66
zero effect - he was defeated in 2010 Adenoid_Hynkel Oct 2012 #68
RIP Senator The Wizard Oct 2012 #67
... Tx4obama Oct 2012 #69
No RIP from me. I don't care what you call me over this: ancianita Oct 2012 #73
YUP! graham4anything Oct 2012 #78
I was wrong, I was thinking it would be Cheney or that POS "Babs" who kicked the bucket snooper2 Oct 2012 #79
RIP Senator Spector qanda Oct 2012 #80
One of the last of the moderate repubs RIP Senator Spector Cha Oct 2012 #81
RIP, Senator Specter. N/T Hepburn Oct 2012 #83
RIP glinda Oct 2012 #85
Proof Specter Lied About the Magic Bullet Pat Speer Oct 2012 #86

babylonsister

(171,066 posts)
2. Really sad; I didn't realize he had gotten so sick, but he's been
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:09 PM
Oct 2012

fighting a long time. Rest in peace, Sen. Specter.

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
4. R.I.P. Arlen Specter
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:09 PM
Oct 2012

My best memory of him was during the Senate hearings on the Ruby Ridge shooting, he hammered the ATF for the fuck ups that led to the siege.
He will be missed.

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
11. He accused Anita Hill of lying under oath
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:18 PM
Oct 2012

instead of the guy who was actually lying - Clarence Thomas. f him

JSK

(1,123 posts)
22. I never forgave him for his attacks on Anita Hill
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:50 PM
Oct 2012

< Specter was the attack dog for the Republicans, fiercely laying into Anita Hill again and again. He led the strategy to label Hill “nutty and slutty,” the Republicans’ key tactic to discredit Hill as mentally unstable and promiscuous. Watching his slash and burn technique against Hill, who didn’t come forward voluntarily but was subpoenaed to appear, filled me with a rage I have rarely felt before or since.>

http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2010/05/26/this-one%E2%80%99s-for-you-anita-hill/

sendero

(28,552 posts)
82. Me either..
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:22 PM
Oct 2012

.... no good he ever could have done could have made up for the despicable way he treated Anita Hill.

Demoiselle

(6,787 posts)
84. I'll never forget or forgive it either.
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:38 PM
Oct 2012

Anita Hill was remarkably calm through the whole awful attack. She's one of my heroes.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
61. Thank you for speaking up
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:43 PM
Oct 2012

that's what I remember of him also...he's mostly responsible for us having that fuckstain Clarence Thomas on the court. Also wasn't he the creater of the "majic bullet" theory regarding the assassination of Pres. John F. Kennedy?

ancianita

(36,060 posts)
74. I'm totally with you on this. I might say this only once or twice in a lifetime,
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:08 PM
Oct 2012

but that man lived too damned long. I detested him.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
29. Indeed
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:58 PM
Oct 2012

And maybe that experience helped him to understand how important health care reform is. He not only supported Obamacare, but also supported a public option.

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
19. Death in any circumstance is sad
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:29 PM
Oct 2012

but I cannot forget what he did to Anita Hill nor can I wish him peaceful rest. Sorry.

 

triplepoint

(431 posts)
24. Did The "Single Bullet Theory" Die With Him?
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:51 PM
Oct 2012

Maybe he'll have a posthumous memoir (like the late Senator Ted Kennedy did: "True Compass&quot where he retracts his "Single Bullet Theory."




Unbelievable how pristine the bullet is. You can be sure that ALL fingerprints have been wiped from it by now....if it can EVEN be found in the National Archives...AT ALL!!

 

lib2DaBone

(8,124 posts)
63. He was part of the coverup with his single bullet theorey...
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:06 PM
Oct 2012

He knew who killed JFK and why..... but he chose the dark side.

lillypaddle

(9,580 posts)
26. He is one of the last
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:55 PM
Oct 2012

true Republican government servants. RIP, Senator Specter, & best wishes and condolences to your family.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
27. RIP Senator Specter. I think I frightened one of your staffers.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:55 PM
Oct 2012

In the days after Katrina hit, I got more and more upset, even though i live no where nearby. We had two Senators at the time - Specter and that awful Santorum person.

I called Specter's office crying, and said to the staffer who answered, "listen, that idiot in the White House is letting people die. Your boss is a good man even if he is a Republican. Please tell him he has to do something about this because our useless President won't". I was crying. It was not like me. The poor woman tried to calm me down, but I was too frustrated and angry.

I left my name, and wonder if they put it in some sort of "crank" file...

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
45. My mama taught me if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:59 PM
Oct 2012

Didn't your mama teach you that? (and yes, I'm j/k)

 

kooljerk666

(776 posts)
77. My KKKarl Rove song, Ding Dong...
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:29 PM
Oct 2012



I live in PA & voted for him several times when I was young 1980's era & not so well informed, funny he ended up being the last sane republican.

In fact when he was the DA, he was a news fixture for many years in Philly, see him at dinner, like a few times a week. These were dark times with no remotes or mute. Arlen & Frank Rizzo were like superhero crime fighters back in the days, of crime in streets.

He was reasonable up to the end & better than some bluedogs, pro choice, nothing nutty stands out i really remember. Lots of ok GOP non teabags are gone & the nuts run the asylum.

He looked brilliant & like a liberal next to Santorum.

If Arlen was a Senator, corebutt would name a succesor, give ya the chills huh? A Koch bro prob has a basement like rmoneys MASS. basement in every state, and pays taxes in none & votes in them all.

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
38. He one of the few who spoke up against the Tea-bag idiots that bused into every town hall meeting.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:36 PM
Oct 2012

You know the one in which he yelled at them to: WAIT A MINUTE!

guappo1

(53 posts)
39. An American before being a Republican
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 02:41 PM
Oct 2012

His actions as a U.S. Senator proved with out question that he was a True American, he set aside party politic to do what he though was right for citizens of this country.
The country owes Senator Specter a great debt buy keeping Bork off the Supreme Court. He will be missed.

Response to russspeakeasy (Reply #40)

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
70. Conspiracy entrepreneurs.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:30 PM
Oct 2012

"Of course it is necessary to specify how, exactly,
conspiracy theories begin.. Some such theories seem to bubble up spontaneously,
appearing roughly simultaneously in many different social networks; others are initiated
and spread, quite intentionally, by conspiracy entrepreneurs who profit directly or
indirectly from propagating their theories."

~snip~

"Some conspiracy entrepreneurs are entirely sincere;
others are interested in money or power, or in achieving some general social goal."

Conspiracy Theories
Cass R. Sunstein
Adrian Vermeule

Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #70)

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
72. Following a heuristic (in a false conspiracy theory) can produce errors.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:00 PM
Oct 2012

Conversely, the false belief in
Santa Claus is justified, because children generally have good reason to believe what
their parents tell them and follow a sensible heuristic (“if my parents say it, it is probably
true”); when children realize that Santa is the product of a widespread conspiracy among
parents, they have a justified and true belief that a conspiracy has been at work.

~snip~

On one reading of Popper’s account, those who accept conspiracy
theories are following a sensible heuristic, to the effect that consequences are intended;
that heuristic often works well but it also produces systematic errors, especially in the
context of outcomes that are a product of social interactions among numerous people.

The magic bullet theory is strengthened by the reputation of Specter and Warren commission, despite the systematic errors relative to the pristine nature of the bullet and the damage it caused.

Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #72)

ancianita

(36,060 posts)
76. Thank you. I was wondering the same thing myself.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:23 PM
Oct 2012

This is the man who gave the media the idea that public bullshit is plausible news. His mischief contributed to the deterioration of trust both by the public and of the public in government's role at getting at the truth.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
54. What are you smoking? (+ a few things we should be grateful to him for)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:45 PM
Oct 2012
He unabashedly supported Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that made abortion legal, and championed biomedical and embryonic stem cell research long before he received his cancer diagnosis.

When he made a bid for the White House in 1995, he denounced the Christian right as an extremist “fringe” — an unorthodox tactic for a candidate trying to win votes in a Republican primary.

During Mr. Clinton’s impeachment on charges of perjury and obstruction, Mr. Specter, objecting to what he called a “sham trial” without witnesses, signaled that he would vote to acquit.

He enraged conservatives in 1987 by derailing Judge Bork’s nomination to the Supreme Court.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/us/politics/arlen-specter-senator-dies-at-82.html?hp


Sure, we could cite the other side of the question. His party was so angry at him that he indeed ending up voting "not proven" rather than "not guilty." But at least he didn't cave. And yes, the rage of his party against him for tanking Bork, caused him next time around to vote for Thomas. And then, of course, there was Anita Hill. But not everyone has held that against him unto eternity:

Even so, some of Hill's closest supporters in those hearings forgave Specter.

"I have the utmost respect for Arlen Specter," said Charles Ogletree, the liberal Harvard law professor who helped lead Hill's legal team at the hearings. After a period of mutual enmity after the Hill hearings, "We've become the best of friends." Ogletree said that Specter had "very progressive views on judicial appointments."

http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-arlen-specter-20121015,0,3463184.story?page=2



Take any senator who served as long as he did, and you will find both pluses and minuses. That's true even for Teddy Kennedy, who made some big mistakes as well. Let both of them rest in peace.

Astazia

(262 posts)
57. I'll remember Senator Arlen Spector helping to pass the ACA &. I will always remember one more special time;
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 03:59 PM
Oct 2012

About a year ago he went to a comedy club in PA on "open mike night". No pun intended here but he went on stage & killed! He was so funny! Lawrence O'Donnell read about it online and had the reporter that happened to be there on TLW. He (Sen. Spector) just did what anyone does at an open mike night. He gave his first name & waited his turn. (did stand-up myself once upon a time) His jokes were original and his timing was on the money. I was blown away.

So dear Arlen, rest in peace & if you see Teddy or the likes of Groucho or Henny, say hi for us.

from us to your family.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
58. One of the better Repubs. R.I.P.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:00 PM
Oct 2012

Problematic sometimes (Anita Hill) but had my respect when he became more moderate.

ancianita

(36,060 posts)
73. No RIP from me. I don't care what you call me over this:
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:05 PM
Oct 2012

I'm not trolling. I'm telling you seriously: I've experienced Arlen Spector's entire career and must say that he was an overall bad leader who lived too trouble-free and anonymous a life for his traitorous single bullet theory and all the mischief, sickness and grief he caused this country.

So what if he helped stop Bork and gave hell to a few others. He was a major reason that public bullshit first started getting public traction in our media. If I ever met the man I'd tell him just how much I hate his role in ruining this country's search for the truth, in so many ways, at so many times. You have to have lived through his treacherous behavior to say what I'm saying. Good riddance.

The rest of you who didn't live through his political past can carry on and take the high road about him.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
78. YUP!
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:34 PM
Oct 2012

don't forget he was #1 in the senate attempting to toss Bill Clinton out after the house impeachment went through

may you Rest in Peace President Kennedy and your son, Senator Bobby, Senator Teddy.
and rest in peace Mr Jim a poster from another board who died of cancer a few years back in his 40s leaving a wife and kids. (who enjoyed talking about this topic but not any other oddity, just this one). A smarter man I never knew.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
79. I was wrong, I was thinking it would be Cheney or that POS "Babs" who kicked the bucket
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:36 PM
Oct 2012

before the election...

Pat Speer

(38 posts)
86. Proof Specter Lied About the Magic Bullet
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 02:23 PM
Oct 2012

The middle part of the discussion at the link below is a thorough dissection of whether or not Arlen Specter lied when pushing his single-bullet theory.

http://www.patspeer.com/chapter10%3Aexaminingtheexaminations

The evidence is clear that he did. We can only hope he told someone--perhaps his son Shanin--why.

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