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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 04:53 PM Oct 2012

Florida inmate found fit to be executed despite history of mental illness

Source: Guardian

Florida inmate found fit to be executed despite history of mental illness

Florida judge rules John Ferguson can be put to death despite US supreme court ruling barring execution of the mentally ill

Ed Pilkington in New York
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 14 October 2012 14.43 EDT

A Florida judge has ruled that a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic who believes he is the "Prince of God" and is convinced that he will be resurrected to sit for eternity at God's right hand is sane and can put to death next week.

David Glant, a judge with Florida's eighth circuit, has found that John Ferguson, 64, can be given lethal injections next Thursday despite a US supreme court injunction that prohibits executions of the insane. In his concluding remarks, the judge agrees with the prisoner's defence lawyers that Ferguson is a paranoid schizophrenic who genuinely believes he is "Prince of God".

The judge accepts that the prisoner has a "long history of mental illness" and finds there is no evidence to support the prosecution contention, made over several years, that Ferguson was pretending to be mentally ill in order to avoid execution. Yet he goes on to conclude that "there is no evidence that his mental illness interferes, in any way, with his 'rational understanding' of the fact of his pending execution and the reason for it".

Astoundingly, the judge goes on to say that the prisoner's "grandiose delusion" of himself as being akin to Jesus at the point of his resurrection is in fact "relatively normal Christian belief". He writes: "There is no evidence that Ferguson's belief as to his role in the world and what may happen to him in the afterlife is so significantly different from beliefs other Christians may hold so as to consider it a sign of insanity."



Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/14/florida-inmate-executed-mental-illness

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Florida inmate found fit to be executed despite history of mental illness (Original Post) Judi Lynn Oct 2012 OP
The real question: originalpckelly Oct 2012 #1
This dude mass killed 6 people. Florida judges??? msanthrope Oct 2012 #10
Must Confess, Ma'am, I Kind Of Like This Judge.... The Magistrate Oct 2012 #2
So the judge equates religious beliefs to mental illness. nt Jumping John Oct 2012 #3
If You Substituted 'My Neighbor's Dog' For 'God' Sir The Magistrate Oct 2012 #11
So do I. jerseyjack Oct 2012 #13
No, it's the opposite, and it's well established precedent. harmonicon Oct 2012 #14
+78,892 Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #5
Yeah, I'm liking that reasoning, too. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #7
Why is he spiting at the Federal Courts again ? classykaren Oct 2012 #4
That is not what Christians believe treestar Oct 2012 #6
Isaiah 41:10, Hebrews 10:12, the Psalms are lousy with references to people sitting at the right msanthrope Oct 2012 #9
It's a shame that such a beautiful state is being "hijacked" by some very ugly people. nt ladjf Oct 2012 #8
Sun and Heat HockeyMom Oct 2012 #12
I am anti-death penalty, but find no fault with the judge's reasoning Tom Ripley Oct 2012 #15
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
10. This dude mass killed 6 people. Florida judges???
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:52 PM
Oct 2012

This guy could be flinging his poo in the courtroom and would still be found competent to be executed.

I'm anti-death penalty, but this dude hasn't a chance in hell.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
2. Must Confess, Ma'am, I Kind Of Like This Judge....
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 05:29 PM
Oct 2012

"There is no evidence that Ferguson's belief as to his role in the world and what may happen to him in the afterlife is so significantly different from beliefs other Christians may hold so as to consider it a sign of insanity."

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
11. If You Substituted 'My Neighbor's Dog' For 'God' Sir
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 08:06 PM
Oct 2012

Substantial numbers would be judged in need of medical intervention, and people who do not credit the existence of any deity may see no need for the substitution to reach the same conclusion....

"Death --- it's like sleep, only better!"

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
14. No, it's the opposite, and it's well established precedent.
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:48 PM
Oct 2012

The precedent is that religious belief will not be held as evidence of mental incapacity. If it were, then it would be up to the courts to decide which religious beliefs were and which were not insane.

All of that said, what's insane is that there's a discussion about killing people at all. This is not something that is done in educated, modern societies.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
6. That is not what Christians believe
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 06:26 PM
Oct 2012

They don't think they will be at the right hand of God. In fact that's where Jesus is. Being akin to Jesus is not the normal Christian belief.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
9. Isaiah 41:10, Hebrews 10:12, the Psalms are lousy with references to people sitting at the right
Sun Oct 14, 2012, 07:44 PM
Oct 2012

hand of their god.

Colossians 3:1 is also a pretty good example, as is John, 10:28.

I find that the myth of Jesus tends to expand when needed.

 

Tom Ripley

(4,945 posts)
15. I am anti-death penalty, but find no fault with the judge's reasoning
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:24 AM
Oct 2012

"Astoundingly, the judge goes on to say that the prisoner's "grandiose delusion" of himself as being akin to Jesus at the point of his resurrection is in fact "relatively normal Christian belief". He writes: "There is no evidence that Ferguson's belief as to his role in the world and what may happen to him in the afterlife is so significantly different from beliefs other Christians may hold so as to consider it a sign of insanity."

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