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(12,769 posts)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:36 PM Oct 2012

Exclusive: Video Shows Drunk, Stoned US Security Contractors

Source: ABC News

Cellphone video recorded earlier this year at an operations center of a U.S. security contractor in Kabul, Afghanistan appears to show key personnel staggeringly drunk or high on narcotics, in what former employees say was a pattern of outrageous behavior that put American lives at risk and went undetected by U.S. military officials who are supposed to oversee such contractors.

The video, provided to ABC News by two former employees, is scheduled to be broadcast in a report this evening on "ABC World News with Diane Sawyer" and "Nightline."
Asked if a response to an attack by terrorists would have been possible during the events seen on the video, one of the former employees, Kenny Smith, told ABC News Chief Investigative Correspondent Brian Ross, "No, sir."

Questions posed by ABC News to the Pentagon have sparked a criminal investigation by the U.S. Army, a spokesman says.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-video-shows-drunk-stoned-us-security-contractors-221702848--abc-news-topstories.html



Another job that should never have been privatized.
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Shuhered

(200 posts)
4. Thanks Dick Cheney
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:48 PM
Oct 2012

Remember when Dick Cheney, called out by a reporter for doing a misdeed, replied, "So????" Dick, and a name so richly deserved in your case, American ambassador and Navy Seal deaths (and now soldiers at more risk everywhere in the world ) is why your behavior with privatizing security to a few buddies of yours cost the U.S. dearly overseas. I wish that guys like you, when in office, would have exercised a more thoughtful form of judgment that could have benefited the general public overseas. Alas, you did not. Sleep tight.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
3. Half the combat troops in Vietnam were stoned out of their gords. Maybe the only way to stay sane
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:42 PM
Oct 2012

in the middle of such militarily organized madness.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
8. Just one tiny difference
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:23 PM
Oct 2012

Most of the combat troops in Vietnam were there against their will.

The mercenaries in Afghanistan sought those jobs out. They want to be there.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
10. The mercenary mindset is this: they want to be paid as gov't contractors to be getting stoned.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 04:19 PM
Oct 2012

Most of the troops in Vietnam made minimum wage for what was essentially convict labor.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
5. It says the company involved was Jorge Scientific
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:59 PM
Oct 2012

Last edited Wed Oct 17, 2012, 06:37 PM - Edit history (1)

That's not a name I've noticed before, but they've apparently been around for a long time and are a major DoD outsourcer.

http://nation.time.com/2012/08/20/better-late-than-never-3/

Interesting Pentagon contract buried deep in the long list it announced Friday. The Army awarded nearly $15 million to Jorge Scientific of Arlington, Va., to “provide for the modification of an existing contract to research and develop a methodology for counter insurgency operations. Work will be performed in Arlington and Afghanistan…”

To develop a methodology for COIN ops in Afghanistan? Heck, we arrived on Oct. 7, 2001, and we still don’t have a counter-insurgency plan? Not only that — we’ve got to hire outsiders to do it? Even as we’re planning to pull all our combat troops out by the end of 2014?

Turns out this is at least the third contract along these lines Jorge has received since November, totaling $77 million.

Last Nov. 9, the Army awarded Jorge a $21,100,003 cost-plus-fixed-fee contract “to design new doctrine and training to answer the gaps in current operations as indentified by [Afghanistan's] Regional Command East. Work will be performed in Afghanistan, with an estimated completion date of June 20, 2013. There were 999 bids solicited, with 999 bids received.” Let’s hope the Army was more accurate with its count of the money than its count of those soliciting and bidding on this contract.

Anyway, such competition apparently evaporated like the morning dew in the next two contracts, both of which involved only a single solicitation, and a single bidder: Jorge.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
6. Also this, from a site for employee reviews of their employers
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:02 PM
Oct 2012
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Jorge-Scientific-Reviews-E377982.htm

Pros – The company has better than average salary ranges, and the medical, dental, and vision plans are among the national average. It's a small company where everyone knows you, and they seem to care.

Cons – A few of the managers are in positions over their level of expertise. Decisions are made hastily at times without all the information, which has caused a negative effect among the employees lowering morale.

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
11. The Army is Supposed to Leave in 2014, But What About the Contractors?
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 05:22 PM
Oct 2012

Are we pulling out or merely privatizing the operation?

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
14. I don't approve of mercenaries, but
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 07:23 PM
Oct 2012

war fluctuates between soul numbing boredom, violence and terror. Getting fucked up is the only respite from it. Mercenaries should never be part of a free people's armed forces, not because they're human but because of what they represent.

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