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oNobodyo

(96 posts)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:29 PM Nov 2012

EVIDENCE: 2012 Voting Machine Switching (updated)

Last edited Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:51 PM - Edit history (3)

Source: Daily Kos

"I initially selected Obama but Romney was highlighted. I assumed it was being picky so I deselected Romney and tried Obama again, this time more carefully, and still got Romney. Being a software developer, I immediately went into troubleshoot mode. I first thought the calibration was off and tried selecting Jill Stein to actually highlight Obama. Nope. Jill Stein was selected just fine. Next I deselected her and started at the top of Romney's name and started tapping very closely together to find the 'active areas'. From the top of Romney's button down to the bottom of the black checkbox beside Obama's name was all active for Romney. From the bottom of that same checkbox to the bottom of the Obama button (basically a small white sliver) is what let me choose Obama. Stein's button was fine. All other buttons worked fine.

I asked the voters on either side of me if they had any problems and they reported they did not. I then called over a volunteer to have a look at it. She him hawed for a bit then calmly said "It's nothing to worry about, everything will be OK." and went back to what she was doing. I then recorded this video"



"EDIT: There is a lot of speculation that the footage is edited. I'm not a video guy, but if it's possible to prove whether a video has been altered or not, I will GLADLY provide the raw footage to anyone who is willing to do so. The jumping frames are a result of the shitty camera app on my Android phone, nothing more.

EDIT2: I have been contacted by NBC Universal and BBC News.

EDIT3: A lot of news agencies are now messaging me here. Please email centralpavote@gmail.com instead"

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/12q6wu/2012_voting_mach

Update: "A Pennsylvania electronic voting machine has been taken out of service after being captured on video changing a vote for President Obama into one for Mitt Romney, NBC News has confirmed."

http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/06/machine-turns-vote-for-obama-into-one-for-romney/

Read more: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/06/1156736/-EVIDENCE-2012-Voting-Machine-Switching-Obama-vote-to-Romney



I've probably posted this all wrong and you've my apologies for that but this video is both convincing and disturbing.
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EVIDENCE: 2012 Voting Machine Switching (updated) (Original Post) oNobodyo Nov 2012 OP
Vote it up on Reddit Lefta Dissenter Nov 2012 #1
Look close. Is this a fake? Coyotl Nov 2012 #34
I don't think so. garybeck Nov 2012 #41
These machines should be banned. SoapBox Nov 2012 #2
This is not a day to complain here, DUers kansasobama Nov 2012 #3
debbie wasserman shultz this is the stuff of conspiract theorists leftyohiolib Nov 2012 #4
I hope lots of people take videos like this renate Nov 2012 #5
This is a new YouTube account, apparently anonymous, created today Coyotl Nov 2012 #6
This may be to break our spirit or to look foolish kansasobama Nov 2012 #7
The athorities should be notified immediately. blackspade Nov 2012 #8
Sounds like bullshit to me. No follow-up. And UTube? Is that the place to report this? randome Nov 2012 #9
Of course lbrtbell Nov 2012 #43
"It's nothing to worry about, everything will be OK" L0oniX Nov 2012 #10
OMG!!! Megahurtz Nov 2012 #11
The Simpsons show is prescient. BadgerKid Nov 2012 #12
This is PROOF of 2012 Voting Machine Switching Megahurtz Nov 2012 #13
PROOF? Because someone posted a video on UTube? randome Nov 2012 #15
This is the other post with more information. mecherosegarden Nov 2012 #16
So You Tell Me.... Megahurtz Nov 2012 #21
See #33. randome Nov 2012 #36
Ummmm....it's been verified by NBC News NorthCarolina Nov 2012 #31
It's one machine. randome Nov 2012 #33
Says who where? Coyotl Nov 2012 #35
Just posted this on FB. Hoping all 300 million people see it. ancianita Nov 2012 #14
It's probably a good idea to assess the problem before helping to spread FUD around the world. randome Nov 2012 #37
kick docgee Nov 2012 #17
RepubliCONS can NOT win a fair election, they always have to cheat. n/t fasttense Nov 2012 #18
machine is now off line OKNancy Nov 2012 #19
The MSNBC website has found this story. Will they put it on the air? Bozita Nov 2012 #20
Have you called the Secretary of State? liberal N proud Nov 2012 #22
This is a States Rights Matter triplepoint Nov 2012 #23
MSNBC, Tamron Hall is gonna cover it.. SoapBox Nov 2012 #24
prepare for the One Bad Apple talking one (just one defective machine) Supersedeas Nov 2012 #38
Absent evidence to the contrary, it IS one defective machine. randome Nov 2012 #39
Hero! AZ Lib Nov 2012 #25
Just saw this on the news Tab Nov 2012 #26
I'm Not Saying Yea Or Nay... ChiciB1 Nov 2012 #27
K&R (nt) muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #28
How many voters didn't notice this before you did, I wonder.... CaliGal Nov 2012 #29
putting my technician hat on 8 track mind Nov 2012 #30
Kick (nt) muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #32
This is how it is done though. Blanks Nov 2012 #40
Why would any malicious code alert the voter that the selection has flipped? Flatulo Nov 2012 #48
Another point schrodinger_I Nov 2012 #42
This is exactly what I saw happen in Fl in 2004... Sancho Nov 2012 #44
Kick Shankapotomus Nov 2012 #45
I wish they'd still track down the people responsible. Kablooie Nov 2012 #46
k&r LeftishBrit Nov 2012 #47

Lefta Dissenter

(6,622 posts)
1. Vote it up on Reddit
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:30 PM
Nov 2012
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/12q6wu/2012_voting_mach

edited to add to Original Poster: You posted it perfectly! Thank you for helping to get the word out.

AND, if people are Reddit users, please vote the story up, to help to keep it on the front page.

garybeck

(9,942 posts)
41. I don't think so.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:15 PM
Nov 2012

the editing cuts are to take out the time where he resets the vote (erases the romney check).

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
2. These machines should be banned.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:31 PM
Nov 2012

And any "fooling around" with a citizen's vote, should be a federal crime.

kansasobama

(609 posts)
3. This is not a day to complain here, DUers
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:36 PM
Nov 2012

call Election Office, Dem Party HQ and authorities. Otherwise, this will stand and we would be in trouble tonight...


Rock Democratic HQ with calls if true. Where is this happening? We need proof and location/precinct.

renate

(13,776 posts)
5. I hope lots of people take videos like this
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:37 PM
Nov 2012

It's one thing to read about it--just words on a page or computer screen--another thing to see it with your own eyes.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
6. This is a new YouTube account, apparently anonymous, created today
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:40 PM
Nov 2012

I would withhold judgment until more is known.

lbrtbell

(2,389 posts)
43. Of course
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:12 PM
Nov 2012

Where else is someone going to be able to make video available to a large number of people?

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
10. "It's nothing to worry about, everything will be OK"
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:09 PM
Nov 2012

Machines are operating as they were programmed to do.

Megahurtz

(7,046 posts)
21. So You Tell Me....
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:06 PM
Nov 2012

how is it that the Romney button lit up when this man's finger was no where near it? Hmmmmm?

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
31. Ummmm....it's been verified by NBC News
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:38 PM
Nov 2012

So, does election stealing still fall under the category of "tinfoil hat" conspiracies?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
33. It's one machine.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:29 PM
Nov 2012

Out of the millions of voters using other machines, why would no one else have noticed this?

Absent evidence to the contrary, it's a malfunction.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
37. It's probably a good idea to assess the problem before helping to spread FUD around the world.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:39 PM
Nov 2012

Just saying.

 

triplepoint

(431 posts)
23. This is a States Rights Matter
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:21 PM
Nov 2012

The DOJ doesn't get involved. All due to:

Supreme Court's 2000 Bush vs Gore Decision


This is what happens when our election process is privatized. Welcome to Orwell's 1984.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
39. Absent evidence to the contrary, it IS one defective machine.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:52 PM
Nov 2012

It doesn't do us any good to cry foul without being in possession of the facts.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
26. Just saw this on the news
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:45 PM
Nov 2012

Good capture job!

On edit: They said the machine was pulled out of service for changing votes, then showed your video.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
27. I'm Not Saying Yea Or Nay...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:58 PM
Nov 2012

But since I live in Florida I have acquired a lot of healthy, skeptical cynicism since 2000!

CaliGal

(37 posts)
29. How many voters didn't notice this before you did, I wonder....
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:37 PM
Nov 2012

I hope to God that other peoples Obama votes didn't go to Romney because they didn't notice or were in a hurry, etc.
Scary.

8 track mind

(1,638 posts)
30. putting my technician hat on
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:38 PM
Nov 2012

This is entirely possible. I had to maintain a touch screen system for roughly 6 years (not a voting system ) and screens CAN be calibrated wrong. He followed the exact same steps I would have in order to trouble shoot the problem, so that end of it seems quite legit to me. Only a real investigation into this matter will reveal if it was an accident in its setup/damaged in transport, or
if this was done with intent. 50/50 in my book.


Blanks

(4,835 posts)
40. This is how it is done though.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:06 PM
Nov 2012

Prove that votes are flipping; that is. We now have a format for proving the machine is flipping votes.

Of course I expect most flipping is done with the voter not knowing that it is being flipped.

While this is one example of vote flipping and the calibration could be off; if it's happening all over, it wouldn't be hard to prove with a lot of videos like this.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
48. Why would any malicious code alert the voter that the selection has flipped?
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 03:59 AM
Nov 2012

This makes no sense whatsoever.

schrodinger_I

(706 posts)
42. Another point
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:46 PM
Nov 2012

What you see on that screen is controlled by software. Who's to say that your vote inside the machine matches the display?

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
44. This is exactly what I saw happen in Fl in 2004...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:22 PM
Nov 2012

I'm glad for the video, but it's been happening for years.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
46. I wish they'd still track down the people responsible.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:00 AM
Nov 2012

If there's no accountability there's nothing to deter future behavior.

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