is asking for documentation regarding Guantanamo detainees also seeking justice.

http://www.alternet.org/rss/breaking_news/763279/french_judge_seeks__guantanamo_access_over_%27torture%27/



French judge Sophie Clément, is pictured in 2008 in her office in Paris.

Obama is running for the 1%, the military industrial complex, the bank usurers, the insurance scammers, and protecting war criminals?

Or the one where so many of us protested both wars, drone strikes, blatant killing of citizens, extraordinary renditions?

Just curious? Which American side are you thinking about?

we are all in this together or to borrow a really old saying "United we stand, divided we fall".

instantly or that everything would be all right if only we isolated ourselves from the rest of the world (and yes it was tried and it failed horribly).
All I am trying to say though is we need to work together to find some common ground and solve the problems we are facing in this country and tell the ones who keep up the "our way or the highway" shtick that they need to get the hell out of the way.

involving progressive dems vs conservative dems as being the ONE to focus on, confirms your pov is way too limited in scope for any attachment to reality.

There are splits both within and without the religious communities of America,
there are splits politically, primarily Republican vs Democrat, but a few more are gaining ground
there are splits due to economic injustice and inequality
there are still splits due to race and ethnicity or nationality


I agree it would be nice if there were a United States feel to us, but as long as I've lived, it hasn't existed that way. In some areas it's better, in some much worse, but never absent, not since Reagan, which is when I was old enough to be paying some attention.

right now class warfare is absolutely appropriate, so is racial inequality, and gender inequality.

You can "need' and "should" all you want, but since it isn't reality it isn't helpful to a solution.

it would be as if he had a magic wand? Really?

Seems Obama is fine with ignoring a lot of things like poverty, homelessness, hunger, crimes by Wall Street, banksters and the bushes. Yet, he just can't bring himself to ignore the Spanish judges and let them prosecute American elite war criminals.

Yeah, it would be so much like having a magic wand.

the other day: "America is right, and you're wrong!"

I thought, who is included in his america. America must be any foreign or domestic corporation who gets about anything they ask for. Or maybe america is just for the wealthy, since they have more money to spread around to their favorite politicians. Now days, much more money, than the plebes have to buy a voice.

Those who have lost their decent jobs, lost their houses, lost their pensions or 401ks-well, they must not be americans anymore.

we finally got rid of that "god damned piece of paper".

as has come to be expected from Obama.

Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld are damn murderers and torturers. They should be locked up for life.

then he should be in prison just like Bush and Cheney should be if as many of us here believe (myself included which means I would have to ask to be removed if I were on the jury) that they committed crimes while in office.

That the US riding roughshod over other countries is acceptable, then?

a the fact is if he provided this information (not saying he did because I havent seen the evidence yet) to wikileaks then he violated his oaths and he did commit a crime according to our laws.

Should he have been prosecuted? Why not, if you think Bradley should be?

I remember a candidate named Obama talking about protecting whistelblowers. President Obama turned around and is now prosecuting them more than any previous President, including Bush.

This government has no leg to stand on.

didnt commit a crime, perhaps a link to the specific law that absolves him?

didn't commit a crime, perhaps a link to the specific law that absolves him?

if you want to compare the two...........ellsberg had no legal options to report that but manning had did have a legal option to report it but he (assuming for the moment that he even did it since he "is" innocent until proven guilty ) chose.......repeat "chose" not to do so.

Seriously, enlighten yourself.

you appear to be doing the same with Manning.

Why not Spain too?
We are equal opportunity subverters.

Sad, to say the least.

their interference and published their guilt to an insecure system.

I was assured in no uncertain terms that these investigations were nothing more than a show, a scam, and judicial activism at its worst that would lead nowhere and accomplish nothing. Paying attention to them was just foolish, and a legal wild goose chase. And yet, here's the mighty United States, doing what it can to subvert, short circuit and obstruct the cases. Which are like, totally meritless.

Very, very odd to see the actions not quite match up to the rhetoric.

Maybe she was just not counting ours or maybe she had her fingers crossed off camera.

President Romney!

President Gingrich!

Supreme Court pick!

Ah, fuck it.

WE have to let them know that WE the public know what our government is doing.

There are so many of us who have been protesting, writing and visting our Senator's office. writing letters to the editor.. etc.
so much time and work to demand an investigation, and prosecution.

We have to keep up pressure on.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.