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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:34 PM Nov 2012

Boehner Tells House G.O.P. to Fall in Line

Source: NY Times

WASHINGTON — On a conference call with House Republicans a day after the party’s electoral battering last week, Speaker John A. Boehner dished out some bitter medicine, and for the first time in the 112th Congress, most members took their dose.

Their party lost, badly, Mr. Boehner said, and while Republicans would still control the House and would continue to staunchly oppose tax rate increases as Congress grapples with the impending fiscal battle, they had to avoid the nasty showdowns that marked so much of the last two years.

Members on the call, subdued and dark, murmured words of support — even a few who had been a thorn in the speaker’s side for much of this Congress.

It was a striking contrast to a similar call last year, when Mr. Boehner tried to persuade members to compromise with Democrats on a deal to extend a temporary cut in payroll taxes, only to have them loudly revolt.


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Can you imagine Nancy Pelosi needing to wait two years after becoming Speaker needing to tell her caucas to fall into line? This is just a reminder that one of the underreported stories is that Boehner is one of the weakest speakers in the history of the House. The reason why he walked away from "grand bargain" negotiations was not his fault, but that he discovered that he would not be able to get his members to vote for ANY package that could make President Obama look like he could close a deal. In other words, Boehner knew he had to fail on purpose!

The media has given Boehner a tremendous free pass in comparison to Nancy Pelosi. Remember all the attention on Bart Stupak? The fact of the matter is that Boehner knows that he needs to look over his shoulder at Kantor and Ryan and the moment he strays from the Grover Norquist tax pledge, they Norquist and Limbaugh will replace him with someone more malleable.
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Boehner Tells House G.O.P. to Fall in Line (Original Post) TomCADem Nov 2012 OP
Im hearing Boehner's situation has greatly improved since the election. DCBob Nov 2012 #1
Unfortunately the obstruction stuff DID work; elleng Nov 2012 #4
From their POV it didnt.. DCBob Nov 2012 #20
No, they didnt want him to fail. cstanleytech Nov 2012 #27
Wait for the articles of impeachment. Joe Bacon Nov 2012 #23
The teabaggers control the House. He does exactly what they tell him to do. If he meets with AlinPA Nov 2012 #31
Actually I dont think the teabaggers are near as powerful as they once were. DCBob Nov 2012 #34
I'll look for some moderate republicans and may find a few but IMO there are not enough to fill up a AlinPA Nov 2012 #35
try a car dlwickham Nov 2012 #38
I agree. The Tea Party is greatly weakened. Prisca Theologia Nov 2012 #37
Time will tell, but I don't think that they will ISW Nov 2012 #2
Boehner's Style - "I am such a wuss that I can't bring any votes to the table." TomCADem Nov 2012 #17
I agree, I expect a drawn out struggle. elleng Nov 2012 #25
The Boner speaks... SoapBox Nov 2012 #3
He is no different than a teabagger. It's irritating to hear that he had had trouble with them AlinPA Nov 2012 #32
Caught a few on Sunday morning talk shows toby jo Nov 2012 #5
Were they contrite or faking contrition for the benefit of the camera? ItsTheMediaStupid Nov 2012 #8
Obama McConnell and Boehner Meet on The Fiscal Cliff! Literally.... ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #6
I don't understand why he doesn't free up some members of his caucus and fill in the gaps with dem craigmatic Nov 2012 #7
He'd face a party revolt and probably result in even worse crazy after something like that. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2012 #12
John Boehner is a very weak Speaker of the House AndyA Nov 2012 #9
Exactly, How Often Did Dems Leave Pelosi High and Dry? TomCADem Nov 2012 #16
He's the one who'll fall in lone geek tragedy Nov 2012 #10
The dems should continue to set them up for failure jonthebru Nov 2012 #11
All they have are bayonets and horses Kennah Nov 2012 #28
Smoke and screen bullshit Iliyah Nov 2012 #13
Boehner doesn't need the Tea Party to promote reasonable legislation ... Trajan Nov 2012 #14
Try to find even a few moderate republicans. AlinPA Nov 2012 #36
While I would agree with you from an emotional viewpoint, I cannot completely agree Trajan Nov 2012 #40
and the wingnuts on #tcot InsultComicDog Nov 2012 #15
What's he going to do when Allen West shows up because Skidmore Nov 2012 #18
It John2 Nov 2012 #19
So did Boehner "fail on purpose" or "get 98% of what the GOP wanted"? 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #21
How do you arrive at 98%? TomCADem Nov 2012 #22
I didn't "arrive at 98%". Speaker Boehner is who said he "got 98%", not me. 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #24
Like Romney, I would take what Boehner says with a grain of salt... TomCADem Nov 2012 #26
..a very LARGE gain of salt. Habitual lying is in the GOP dna I think. nt 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #30
I would imagine that statement is simply political posturing LanternWaste Nov 2012 #33
Ya think? 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #41
Time to make Grover irrelevant by tearing up in his face any agreement signed. kelliekat44 Nov 2012 #29
Right Wing propagandists are going ape shit over this Hugabear Nov 2012 #39

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
1. Im hearing Boehner's situation has greatly improved since the election.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:41 PM
Nov 2012

I assume that is because of the loss of several teaparty members and the fact that all the idiotic obstruction stuff didnt work these past 4 years... Obama still won.

elleng

(131,006 posts)
4. Unfortunately the obstruction stuff DID work;
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:52 PM
Nov 2012

we all are living with very slow pace of recovery. PrezO did win, after HUGE efforts and despite all the repug games and in spite of the economy, but so much more failed or took so much time and effort.

Need more than loss of 'several' teaparty members, like eric cancer who is still with them.

cstanleytech

(26,302 posts)
27. No, they didnt want him to fail.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:25 PM
Nov 2012

They "needed" him to fail so they decided the only way to achieve that was by trying to destroy the country but they failed at destroying it as we are still here as a nation and they failed at getting control of the whitehouse thankfully.

Joe Bacon

(5,165 posts)
23. Wait for the articles of impeachment.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:58 PM
Nov 2012

Make no mistake. The Republicans will vote out impeachment articles against Obama. And we'll hear all their pals in the main$tream media defend them.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
31. The teabaggers control the House. He does exactly what they tell him to do. If he meets with
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:55 PM
Nov 2012

the President at the WH they will start a campaign to kick him out.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
34. Actually I dont think the teabaggers are near as powerful as they once were.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:49 PM
Nov 2012

besides I dont think they have enough votes to block an alliance of moderate Rs and moderate Ds. In the House they only need a simple majority.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
35. I'll look for some moderate republicans and may find a few but IMO there are not enough to fill up a
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:02 PM
Nov 2012

school bus.

37. I agree. The Tea Party is greatly weakened.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:08 PM
Nov 2012

Discounted by the mainstream, unliked by normal Republicans (who may scapegoat it a bit). The Tea Party Revolution is over...

ISW

(81 posts)
2. Time will tell, but I don't think that they will
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:41 PM
Nov 2012

send the President a bill with the tax results that he wants. If they don't, I hope the president holds steady and we go off the cliff. It will be the only way that we get both the tax revenues and the reduction in military spending that is needed.

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
17. Boehner's Style - "I am such a wuss that I can't bring any votes to the table."
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:38 PM
Nov 2012

Can you imagine Pelosi negotiating by saying that she is such a weak speaker and her caucas is so crazy that she can't offer or propose squat?

elleng

(131,006 posts)
25. I agree, I expect a drawn out struggle.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:05 PM
Nov 2012

tho we, + the economy, can't wait, could mean PrezO going to the people and then actually causing them to fear losing their seats in '14.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
3. The Boner speaks...
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:47 PM
Nov 2012

blah, blah, blah.

He's got YEARS of obstructionism on his record...and it will take years to show the majority of America, that he and the Pukes are finally willing to do the correct thing.

I'm not even holding my breath.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
32. He is no different than a teabagger. It's irritating to hear that he had had trouble with them
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:58 PM
Nov 2012

falling into line. They control everything he does. They would be better off with a more crazed teabagger and not a waanabe one.

 

toby jo

(1,269 posts)
5. Caught a few on Sunday morning talk shows
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:52 PM
Nov 2012

they were contrite.

I don't know if they've got enough 'move' in em, but they've noticed.

This might be a plum time for a 3rd party to make a move. These Republicans might just go the way of the Whigs and Federalists.

ItsTheMediaStupid

(2,800 posts)
8. Were they contrite or faking contrition for the benefit of the camera?
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:59 PM
Nov 2012
...they were contrite....


These guys have completely forgotten who they are supposed to represent and spend all their time kissing billionaire butt.
 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
7. I don't understand why he doesn't free up some members of his caucus and fill in the gaps with dem
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:57 PM
Nov 2012

support. Pelosi could get the votes but I guess too many votes like that would be the end of Boner.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
9. John Boehner is a very weak Speaker of the House
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:05 PM
Nov 2012

Nancy Pelosi could do better than he has even if she never showed up for work!

The only thing he's been successful at is slowing down the pace of the recovery, but that was because HE was towing the line, and was being controlled by the wack jobs on the far right.

If Democrats had retained control of the House, and Pelosi remained Speaker the last two years, we'd be in MUCH better shape economically than we are now.

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
16. Exactly, How Often Did Dems Leave Pelosi High and Dry?
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:29 PM
Nov 2012

Look at the quotes in the article. Several House Republicans are already distancing themselves from Boehner statements that he plans to negotiate with the President saying that they need to be consulted BEFORE any proposals are made. Really?

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
14. Boehner doesn't need the Tea Party to promote reasonable legislation ...
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:07 PM
Nov 2012

He needs to strip away the extremists and convince the moderate GOP to vote with the Democrats .... At least once, to overcome this debacle ....


 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
40. While I would agree with you from an emotional viewpoint, I cannot completely agree
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:16 AM
Nov 2012

from a statistical standpoint .... The actual 'Tea Party' caucus was about 80-90 members - It has recently decreased ....

If he knows what's best for the country and realizes he needs to craft DEMOCRATIC like legislation that most Democrats would support, then surely he can strip a few less strident members from the GOP side ....

Not saying he will, but he certainly could, and it would end the national nightmare ....

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
18. What's he going to do when Allen West shows up because
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:43 PM
Nov 2012

his signals from the mothership apparently haven't arrived to tell him to go home?

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
19. It
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:33 PM
Nov 2012

seems to me a party that wasn't elected to anything at all seems to be a third participant in this process. What I mean by that are the pundits and the media. I just get the feeling just like in the election, they are cheering for the Republican agenda. So we have to fight both. I always thought their job was just to report the news and not take one side over the other. If president Obama decides to not do anything on this tax issue with the Republicans, I think the media should just report it as news. I don't think they should embellish the danger of going off this cliff either to scare the American Public. It is just a power move by the President with what he has to use, in order to gain an end. I do not think it will be Dooms day if it happens. The congress still has to present a budget to the president and he will have a lot more revenue to spend. They have to spend it on something. Presenting a tax cut for 98 percent of the people is a good idea too. If the Republicans want to reject it, then it is on them. They can also negotiate cuts for the Defense as well as entitlements from ground zero.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
21. So did Boehner "fail on purpose" or "get 98% of what the GOP wanted"?
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:55 PM
Nov 2012

or both? I guess this depends on how one defines "fail".

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
22. How do you arrive at 98%?
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:58 PM
Nov 2012

I would think that 98 percent would at least entail making the Bush tax cuts permanent and repealing Obamacare. I recall that some House Republicans were insisting that the House threaten default on this. Also, remember the Balance Budget Amendment along with a 2/3 vote requirement for raising taxes?

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
26. Like Romney, I would take what Boehner says with a grain of salt...
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:17 PM
Nov 2012

...They were also predicting that Romney would win by a wide margin.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
33. I would imagine that statement is simply political posturing
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:37 PM
Nov 2012

I would imagine that statement is simply political posturing, however I guess one may take it both literal and as absolute truth if it's convenient to one's position...

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
41. Ya think?
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:48 PM
Nov 2012

totally political posturing, which I guess is another way of making my point:
re: how the GOP always wants it both ways: whining & playing the victim one
minute, then boasting & bragging the next.

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
39. Right Wing propagandists are going ape shit over this
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:48 PM
Nov 2012

I happened to catch Mark Levin today, he was practically frothing at the mouth, he was so pissed at Boner.

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