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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:55 PM Nov 2012

100,000 protest against nuclear power in central Tokyo

Source: Mainichi

Some 100,000 people staged a demonstration near the Diet Building on the rainy evening of Nov. 11 to call for an end to nuclear power, according to figures released by demonstration organizer Metropolitan Coalition Against Nukes.

"We don't need nuclear power!" chanted people who had gathered simultaneously at nine locations in the government quarter, including in front of the prime minister's office. The crowd began assembling at the main meeting point in front of the Diet at just after 5 p.m. and soon the pavement was packed with people. At one point, there were so many protesters packed into one place they disrupted use of the local crosswalks.

"The number of people at the weekly Friday protests has been going down with the temperature," said Haruomi Hanada, a 47-year-old Tokyo man with his 10-year-old daughter in tow. "I was worried people were starting to care less about the issue, but I'm relieved to see so many people here today."

A demonstration scheduled for the capital's Hibiya Park the same day was cancelled after the Tokyo Metropolitan Government refused to issue a permit.

Read more: http://mainichi.jp/english/english/newsselect/news/20121112p2a00m0na006000c.html

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100,000 protest against nuclear power in central Tokyo (Original Post) bananas Nov 2012 OP
Yes! shenmue Nov 2012 #1
knr because i agree with the 100,000 chknltl Nov 2012 #2
No, no you do not. Throckmorton Nov 2012 #3
It doesn't have to be zero sum... 6502 Nov 2012 #4
I think you misunderstand my point Throckmorton Nov 2012 #6
Thanks for clarifying that. nt bananas Nov 2012 #7
Makes perfect sense Franker65 Nov 2012 #5

Throckmorton

(3,579 posts)
3. No, no you do not.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:52 PM
Nov 2012

But, its replacement sources all have their own individual impacts; however, I my opinion it is still not a zero sum game.



6502

(249 posts)
4. It doesn't have to be zero sum...
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:27 AM
Nov 2012

... you end nuclear and switch to something else... you might have to supplement it work a while, but it is a first step toward better things.

Also, it is a very good idea to get away from nuclear. In spite of its benefits (cheap electricity) the costs socially and economically are too great.

I live in Japan.

I was here during the disaster.

If that was natural gas plant that got hit by a tidal wave, even if the whole thing blew up, it would not have required the evacuation of a fricken prefecture ("state" to you Americans back home).

Agriculture and livestock in that and the surrounding prefectures were affected. It economically killed whole industries. Rendered all of the towns (yes, plural) around the plant completely unlivable. They had to be evacuated. And I mean like a mad radius.

Socially, people were being helped, but at the same time shunned. Husbands and wives with kids were displaced from their homes and moved to Tokyo, Nagoya, and other places. They started to receive payments from the TEPCO (the electric company that owns the Fukushima plant), but about a few months back stopped making support payments to anybody who had lived in an apartment in that region --- the justification was that they did not in fact loose any property that they owend so were not entitled to support, and anyway it's legal. Yes... the fricken bastard representing TEPCO said that.

So, no. Nuclear has to go.

None of the nuclear supporters ever address these issues.
Always using rosier than reality risk assessment models that ultimately fail at the level of costing lives, destroying towns, and devastating whole economies..
And afterwards, they are the same... somehow, the recent disaster is not proof that something is wrong.

It played out like that here... and a handful of top scientists came out and called TEPCO and all of them on it.

So, again. No to nuclear. We will find a better way.

Throckmorton

(3,579 posts)
6. I think you misunderstand my point
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:22 AM
Nov 2012

My point is, even thought the replacement sources of electricity are not in themselves zero impact, the sum total of their impact is still less than a single nuclear accident.

Franker65

(299 posts)
5. Makes perfect sense
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:31 AM
Nov 2012

Considering what happened, this makes perfect sense. Maybe its a good chance for Japan to go green and embrace new forms of energy.

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