It's about producers - whether workers or capitalists - versus oligarchy. The oligarchs loot the economy, and this "job creator" stuff is designed to confuse the issue. The right is not interested in building up real economy.

They just facilitate them. Those on the demand side are the real job creators.

is soooooo much easier when working class wage slaves are demanding for more wage slave jobs... to feed and serve the parasite classes.

It didn't work for Reagan, it didn't work for W and it doesn't work now. It's just a gift to the already wealthy.

It is sold as something for nothing, i.e. lower these rates and revenue will magically increase. It didn't work out that way for Reagan or W, revenues decreased and we had record defecits.

It's kinda like claiming the airline pilot built the airplane.

I'm pretty sure this was settled along about 1865

Teabaggers.

The Texas version has already topped the 60K threshold, so congratulations.

Hmm maybe I will sign it. Anything to help those patriots along. (Snicker)


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B

I've seen way too many DUers suggest it would be a simple matter for us to up and leave our homes.

It's really kind of funny (and hypocritical) that when their states elect a republican governor, well, it's just not the same thing! "We'll fight to make our state blue again!"

+1

The tide turns very slowly, but it is turning.

however there is this petition:

Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them

Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported.

I signed this.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf

I could probably get a half-dozen signatures on that thing if I wanted, and I'm Canadian.

Let them be a lone star!

They like to say down there, Texas is like a whole other country, lets see if they could survive. Oh, and that oil pipeline you want to run through the US, not happening. And good luck next time a hurricane hits the coast, because FEMA only takes care of the United States.

On edit, all those military bases will have to close and move to the United States.

who says the military bases would go? We have lots of military bases in other countries. Take a look at England and Germany.

Who wants to be Prez of Texas when you can be Prez of the whole country?

Texas will become a swing state fairly soon. 2016 might be too close, but 2020 it probably will be.

I bet the talk of secession will sound pretty stupid with half the state being democrats.

Its a larger margin than some that Obama had in reliably blue states like Washington and Oregon. I honestly thought we'd do a little better in TX this time around because of the Hispanic vote, but it just didn't happen. It seems like talk of Texas becoming a swing state is pretty premature for now.

- More registering of latino voters
- More migration from the north
- More latino immigration

It could happen

A lot of Democrats are just going to stay home on voting day because they know Texas is a red state. Texas has one of the lowest voter turnout rates in the nation.

Also there is always tremendous untapped resources for Democrats. Check out the age chart from this site...

http://smpbff1.dsd.census.gov/TheDataWeb_HotReport/servlet/HotReportEngineServlet?reportid=767b1387bea22b8d3e8486924a69adcd&emailname=essb@boc&filename=0328_nata.hrml

The green shows people who voted and the orange shows people who registered but didn't vote. People in the 60-69 age bracket had almost 3 times more people voting than people in the 18-29 bracket.

In 2000, Bush won Texas 59-38, 2004 he won 61-38, on 2008 McCain won 55-44, and this year, Romney won it 57-41. No idea where you got 77% from. No state goes for one party by that much, although Utah and Hawaii come pretty close.

he can yap about the big bad ole' government taking away freedom and all that rot, but when his hand is empty and money is needed? "Just keep 'em subsidies rollin' in thar parder and we'll be just right fine then. Thank ya!" (With a lot of help from Uncle Sam.)

And no bi-lateral agreement granting apermission will ever be given to a state

This is nonsense pouting by people who aren't mature enough to deal with losing

So why do so many DUers want to help them along? I thought we were better than them, especially with regard to our education levels?

but I don't think Dick Perry even knows what secession means. I witnessed some of the republican primaries and the big question is, how the hell did someone as stupid as him get elected to any office?

When will this igorant Gov. Perry shut up? He was the FIRST one calling for his state to secede-remember? Now he wants to talk out of the other side of his neck and say he does not stand behind the idea of his state seceding.

Why? Because he didn't think of it and say it first, so he can't take the credit for this thought? Good grief, a loser personified.

But if Mexico would give us a good price for Texas, maybe we can throw-in Oklahoma for free.

All you Texas and Oklahoma Progressives are welcome to move here. If anyone needs it, you can stay on my couch for a while.

...and most of those cities are filled with Democrats.

who wants to be thrown in any pot with Oklahoma.

that would ever compel me to move to Oklahoma. Not one.

Can't say I would move there no matter what kind of pot we're talking about.

I lived in Oklahoma for almost 10 years, unfortunately.

...and splitting California into three states is not a bad idea. Liberal Texas would be the Gulf coast (Houston) and the border with Mexico. We would also get inland to Austin, San Antonio and Dallas. Every big city in Texas voted for Obama - even Dallas!

Redneck Texas would be all those rural counties that have no one in them. Maybe 9 electoral votes.

You end up with 20 electoral votes and 2 senators that would be bluer than blue.

California as three states would be all safely democratic.

If you secede:

1) You must pay for ALL federal military installations.

2) Indian reservations are sovereign, and subject to military action if their sovereignty is violated.

3) You don't get any nukes.

4) If you leave, you may not re-apply for admission for 50 years.

5) You may not blockade or interfere with river/sea/ocean transit.

6) In the event of a natural disaster, emergency assistance requested must be paid for when the service is rendered. Refugees will be accepted only their nation state agrees to pay for aid and shelter.

I am sure other folk will have other suggestions for this list.

I think they'll get as many nukes as they already have sitting on their territory because if you try to take them they'll set them off. Oh, and the majority of the US military is from the south, so good luck enforcing any of that.

What'll happen is y'all will end up sitting next to Fundietopia, which will be indistinguishable from Iran. Except they'll be even crazier and they'll have nukes and be perfectly happy to use them whenever a whim strikes them.

without the codes?

The entire command and control structure of nuclear weapons is designed to prevent them from being used without orders from the CiC (that would be Obama)

Also, you are telling me that they will detonate nuclear weapons on their own turf? Fine by me.

And, it depends which branch of the military you are talking about. The Navy, for example, is mostly from the Northeast and West coast of the U.S. The Air Force is nationally dispersed, but with a lot of bases in the North along the coasts.

The Army and Marines have very FEW nukes, and those are smaller tac weapons being phased out.

The problem with sticking a bunch of people with no attachment to reality on an island and telling them to pick a leader is they're going to pick the craziest one. Even if they didn't have them to start with their main goal in life would be to get one.

My main objection isn't the nukes anyway. It's the part long before that when they wipe out anyone that isn't straight, white, and Christian.

command and control structure is that nukes cannot be detonated without a code which is only transmitted by the president. Without it, they have some very expensive toys, but no weapons.

Secession would not be overnight, but a gradual process of over a decade (since Texas and others would have to pay for federal lands and facilities before they could leave the union).

I am talking about a governmental divorce, not the murder-suicide pact that was the Civil War.

The cool thing about Texas is that by the time ten years went by, the state would be under Latino control and secession would be cancelled.

Now South Carolina just needs to go. It has been a pain in the ass since 1783.

Texas had more people voting for Obama than most blue states. Surely you don't want to throw us over the cliff

disappoint those "77, 000" or so who want to secede from the Union.

Even the GOPhers were smart enough to figure out that crazy ain't gonna win a presidential election.

Didn't Texas use federal stimulus money to help balance its budget?

He also bragged about all the jobs he created in Texas after Obama created more.

Your state receives it far share of federal funds pal...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/69072.html

"More than $380 million in early grants and other aid from the federal health law have already gone to businesses and agencies in the Lone Star State, according to figures from the Department of Health and Human Services, and Texas ended up with $17 billion from the stimulus"... "its expansion of Medicaid alone could cost the federal government anywhere from $53 billion to $67 billion in aid to Texas by 2019, according to estimates from the nonpartisan Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation.That’s more than any other state would get under that part of the law. The only other state that comes close is California, which would get between $45 billion and $55 billion in federal Medicaid funds."

election again without texas' electoral votes. Plus think of how much we would save in welfare(snicker.) (I'm pro welfare btw. I just think of how the RW is against it yet are the biggest recipients.)