just stated on MSNBC.

That's pretty sweet, huh? Trump can't even come up with the interest payments, let alone the principal.

It's north of $400 million and cannot do business in NY for 5 years

Two years for his sons.

He might still be alive in three years.

And 2 years is definitely not enough for the offspring.

Their organization might not survive two years if none of them are allowed to be involved.

However, can Ivanka or Jared step in?

They'd need knowledgeable support, and Weisselberg and another key figure have been banned for life

So much!

Link to tweet

so that Trump the Rapist personally doesn't have to pay anything? I note that Donald Trump (Jr., not the Rapist) and his bro Eric are personally liable for $4m each.

So does this just mean the siblings' inheritance is fucked, rather than the Rapist himself?

All these groups have to combine to come up with the amount of money demanded.

For instance, Tom, Dick and Harry have been sued for selling used cars with cracked blocks and fined $1 million. They can pay a third each, Tom and Dick can pay a quarter and Harry the rest, or Dick can pay the whole thing. The court doesn’t care who pays as long as someone does.

This case is different. Because Trump runs LLCs it’s basically all his money. The LLC gives some protection - if you get sued they can’t take your house unless they want to pierce the corporate veil - which it appears Judge Engoron did - but at the end of the day it’s his cash. Which means he’s probably going to be selling buildings, or his heirs will when the Big Macs finally get him, to pay this because the bastard has no money.

I haven't seen that one before.
Most excellent 👌.

I'm gonna have pie!

Ideal situation...please please please.

They own him something like $400 million before TFG left office.

Then again, Putin probably sees republicans as an investment. Whatever damage they do to America is pennies on his Ruble.

Like getting Trump reelected so he can "do whatever the hell he wants" to Ukraine.

However, when (I refuse to say "if" ) TSF loses the election, gets convicted of multiple felonies, or both, I think Pootie may just run out of patience. Once he realizes TSF will never be in a position to give him what he wants, watch out!

I wonder.

T45 needs to be stuck twitching like how he mocked that reporter back in 2016, plus stuck with speech defects but with his mind intact. Karma is for him to suffer the type of disabilities he has mocked while being fully aware, so he can be even less electable and gets to watch hopelessly has his brand and mojo dissipate into irrelevance.

This was a civil case. No felony, no conviction, no criminal record.

What's the appropriate way to refer to someone found civilly liable for fraud? I know that "convicted fraud" is incorrect, but if feels like there should be a similarly concise descriptor?

"found liable"
"legally liable"

I looked up synonyms for "judged". There were lots for various meanings but few seemed applicable to civil proceedings.

Maybe that'll be my go-to. Thanks!

fucking fraud? broke mofo?

In online discussions I often refer to him as "the defeated loser and lifelong failure Trump." That seems to fire up his KKKultists nicely.

the road per usual. That's the case that determines if Putin's puppet is guilty of hush money payments illegally made to Stormy Daniels (by I believe using campaign donations along with his own (probably laundered) funds).

You see, my birthday 🎂 is in March, and I told the birthday fairy 🧚 that the only birthday present I want is a criminal felony trial for TSF. I was hoping it would be the DC trial, but since that's on hold, I really need the hush money 🤫💰 trial to start in March. And that damned 🧚 better come through for me, if she knows what's good for her! 😉

This fraud trial is civil.

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"It's all her fault, I could have won this case if I'd had a decent lawyer!"

won't even answer his calls anymore. It's not just the money, either. Trump is the absolute worst client an Attorney could have. He won't keep his mouth shut when he should, he threatens judges and the prosecution, he's a nightmare for any Attorney.

That's why he has to settle for the dregs of the legal profession. Any Attorney can only take Trump as a client for the publicity, and even that's highly suspect.

I love it. Such a stable genius and he's his own worst enemy.

Given the depth and breath of Trump’s fraud, however, I think the ban should have been longer.

when that eyesore will be gone from my life!

to note that the SF 49ers played great in the SB and were tied causing the OT. I think I am the first to note this.

Also, the news reporters may pee themselves from trying to hold back smiles. Pee on.

But I'll just have to settle for this.

I like to see the word fraud in the title!



Trump civil fraud trial live updates: Judge fines Trump $354 million

The former president was found to have defrauded lenders.


https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-fraud-trial/?id=103642561


By Peter Charalambous and Aaron Katersky


Last Updated: February 16, 2024, 2:06 PM



Former President Donald Trump has been fined $354 million in a civil fraud lawsuit that could alter the personal fortune and real estate empire that helped propel him to the White House.

Trump, his sons Eric Trump and and Donald Trump Jr., and other top Trump Organization executives were accused by New York Attorney General Letitia James of engaging in a decade-long scheme in which they used "numerous acts of fraud and misrepresentation" to inflate Trump's net worth in order get more favorable loan terms. The judge in the case ruled in a partial summary judgment that Trump had submitted "fraudulent valuations" for his assets, leaving the trial to determine additional actions and what penalty, if any, the defendants should receive.

The former president has denied all wrongdoing and his attorneys have argued that Trump's alleged inflated valuations were a product of his business skill.

from the bathroom that had stolen top secret documents in it at Mara Lago?

They could be of significant historical value in the future. I can see the title of the museum exhibit now. " How a Former President, got flushed." 😁

with 9% interest prejudgement
and with 12% interest for appeal bond

Add $98.3 mil for EJ Carroll

~$640 mil spanking

that is going to hurt.

Hope the CIA is dialed in on the rethug gang.

I hope his guts are rotting due to stress. Orange pustule.

Come on Republicans, spend your last dollar on Trump. It will be worth it. Trust me.

What will they do? (Well, we know what Donny Jr. will do...)

And its focus on ""will DC be paralyzed by 2 inches of snow?".

And its focus on ""will DC be paralyzed by 2 inches of snow?".

((never mind the House...))

I had gone to visit the White House (possibly the first time of 2) to see the Clinton's Salute to American Crafters where they had 6 trees each holding ornaments made all (or mostly) of one material: fiber, paper, ceramics, wood, glass, or metal.

I was at my cousin's wife's mother's house in Georgetown. Now I was going to museums, and stuff.
Heard there was going to be snow (oh, "joy" ) but it was supposed to start mid-late morning. But it started earlier so there was an inch on the ground as I walked to the local bus by mid morning. Wearing sneakers.
By the time I'd gone to one Museum, and was taking The Metro to something else around 3P there were crowds of people bc they'd let the non essential Federal workers go home.

I guess it was about "3 inches by then. I had a chuckle bc NYC/NE but it's understandable. And it was about 4+ inches by the time I going back to Union Station.

$168,040,168 — interest beginning 4 Mar 2019
$126,828,600 — interest beginning 11 May 2022
$ 60,000,000 — interest beginning 26 June 2023
$354,868,768 — Total not including interest

Eric Trump
$4,013,024 — interest beginning 11 May 2022

Donald Jr
$4,013,024 — interest beginning 11 May 2022

And how much has he contributed, beside the $6-8 Trillion he and republicans added to the deficit between 2017 and 2021, to the public debt owed by the United States?

Multiple partnerships and corporations. The thing is, he would be required to keep his books by accrual basis, which means a bill is recorded when it's received, not when it's paid. Considering that we know he is notorious for not paying his bills, did he record those bills as expenses and then NOT pay them? That would effectively raise his taxable income. If the IRS believes fraud was committed, they can go back DECADES. He could lose EVERYTHING in back taxes, interest and penalties.

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A president can't spend without their authority

Fixed.

And let them believe whatever they want. Seriously,who cares? I'm convinced their numbers are dwindling more and more as time goes on. Yes, there are still some fanatical cultists out there, but even fanatical cultists only get one vote each.

I'm done caring about what his cultists think, and I don't believe there are nearly enough of them left to win this election for him.

He's going down...down...down...down...

Melania just said goodbye to her inheritance

or will it continue to be a statistical tie or a dead heat? Or is Biden's age still going to be a bigger factor than Trump's crimes and punishment?

has to sell that airplane. I'm sick of seeing it when I drive past the West Palm Beach airport

It just knocks 15-18% of his net worth. And he'll just appeal away for 3 years to run out the clock!!

Serves the fraudster right.

so I count it as a win. The part that will hurt is unloading any and all businesses he's still involved in there, like that white elephant of a "wildlife refuge" with mansion that his gun happy idiot sons are so fond of. I think it's rented out most of the year to corporate conferences, definitely not a residence.

He'll cry foul and vendetta and try to appeal, so it's going to be a while before he has to shed his businesses completely.

He'll be fun to watch in the meantime.

He should have been banned for life.

I just have to ask, who in tarnation would EVER want to do business with him again after all of the details of his fraud are out there for everyone to see? There are plenty of people in New York who hated him for years and anyone who did business with him and was stiffed probably spread the word around too. I actually know someone who's family member was out $24K years ago and also lost his job because of it.

Only another crook would glom onto him now.

If Donny doesn't have the funds to appeal, or loses the appeal, does NY State get the money or the clients he defrauded?

I'm thinking by this time tomorrow banks and whatever other entities he owes money to will be calling in those loans. They want to get theirs before New York gets it. Should that happen, he's totally fucked. No lube, no foreplay, just totally fucked!

BWAAAHAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!

He's always the victim and there's always a conspiracy.

he's so goddamned crooked that when he croaks they're gonna have to screw him into the ground.

He'll grift off all these court decisions until the day he dies and his kids will take over after that event. They can always start a new corporation in Florida and sell tickets to tours of Mar-Orange-Largo, just like Graceland.

Congratulations to Attorney General Letitia James, Judge Engoron and all their staff personnel who persevered in the name of justice through this horrible shit-show of threats and public insults......

I have for the orange asswhole!

Boys?!?!?!? They are middle age!

The media is complicit, even MSNBC. Fuck them all!!!!!

Using two sets of values on a property to gain some advantage is a simple and easily detected example of fraud.

Why did it take this long to uncover this?

More importantly:

When will banks which loaned him money ask for their money back?

When does the fire-sale of Trump's assets start?

What will such a fire-sale do to NY real estate values?

Who is going to clean up all the MAGAT exploding brains?

AND . . . FOX NEWS . . . what slant can they come up with for this turn of events?

..this outta be fun to watch