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Omaha Steve

(99,669 posts)
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:53 PM Nov 2012

Powerball jackpot boosted again to $550M (could be increased again as the drawing nears)

Source: AP-EXCITE

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) - The record Powerball jackpot just keeps rising. It now stands at $550 million after officials say brisk sales keep driving up the payout amount.

The jackpot was boosted to $500 million on Tuesday and raised again Wednesday morning to $550 million.

A winner taking the cash option would get $360.2 million before taxes.

FULL story at link.

Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20121128/DA2R4HHO0.html

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Powerball jackpot boosted again to $550M (could be increased again as the drawing nears) (Original Post) Omaha Steve Nov 2012 OP
Only a 75 percent chance that someone will win. tinrobot Nov 2012 #1
1 in 75 million chance of winning! NICO9000 Nov 2012 #2
That's one of two valid strategies IDoMath Nov 2012 #5
Don't forget you'd win tons of smaller prizes too... Thav Nov 2012 #8
I was thinking the same thing. KewlKat Nov 2012 #9
So, less than being hit by lightning... sofa king Nov 2012 #12
Do the math ... VWolf Nov 2012 #14
DOH!!!!! IDoMath Nov 2012 #18
LOL No worries. n/t VWolf Nov 2012 #23
Um, I think the $361M is the 'after-tax' figure from the jackpot of $550M. Even so, were coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #39
Not a bad strategy until you have to deal with this math...... W T F Nov 2012 #22
You can have the machine generate the numbers for you. VWolf Nov 2012 #25
They tried in the past IDoMath Nov 2012 #31
Bravo! Instant DUZY! Tip of my hat! - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #40
Not to mention, at an inflation rate of 3% per year....... W T F Nov 2012 #42
That's what I'm doing. GoCubsGo Nov 2012 #29
Um, tickets cost $2. So the cost would be $350 million (175 million x $2) - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #38
There is a greater chance of Grover Norquist drowning in his bathtub. Dakota Flint Nov 2012 #32
Actually, odds are 1 in 175 million (and change). I think your odds of coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #37
Meh. Let me know when it gets up to real money. nt onehandle Nov 2012 #3
Agreed. VWolf Nov 2012 #16
I will be only spending 2.00 loyalkydem Nov 2012 #4
You shouldn't have done that... Thav Nov 2012 #6
Same for me Debau2005 Nov 2012 #13
Word of advice to anyone reading... Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #7
Very sensible... brooklynite Nov 2012 #11
I may consider purchasing a ticket, or two question everything Nov 2012 #10
Buy 360 million more lotto tickets? Separation Nov 2012 #17
They do have other prizes VWolf Nov 2012 #21
Not surprising that the odds are stacked against you question everything Nov 2012 #28
Actually, they're double that now. GoCubsGo Nov 2012 #30
They changed the rules a few years back to increase the payout, while at the same time they RC Nov 2012 #34
That's not fair. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #36
can you buy them online? qazplm Nov 2012 #15
Certain states are Powerball enabled Panasonic Nov 2012 #20
Why isn't California on that list? Duer 157099 Nov 2012 #24
Where is the list? n/t Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #26
here Duer 157099 Nov 2012 #27
A trust fund will be established Panasonic Nov 2012 #19
If I win, I can be an over-monied asshole like Mitt Romney! Fuddnik Nov 2012 #33
Sorry you have to be born to it..... Dakota Flint Nov 2012 #35
Bravo! Another instant DUZY! Tip of my hat! - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #41
I'm thinking of all the congressional seats I could buy -nt democrat2thecore Nov 2012 #43

tinrobot

(10,903 posts)
1. Only a 75 percent chance that someone will win.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:00 PM
Nov 2012

Which means a 99.99999999999% chance that most people will lose.

Save your money.

 

IDoMath

(404 posts)
5. That's one of two valid strategies
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:14 PM
Nov 2012

If you don't buy a ticket you can't win.
If you buy 1 ticket you chances rise from 0 to 1 in 175M. It's an infinitesimal chance but you've increased your odds by an inifinite amount. (1/0)
If you buy 2 tickets you only increase your chances by a factor of 2.
If you buy 3 tickets you only increase your chances by a factor of 1.5.
Every additional ticket is a diminishing return.

So, only buy 1.


-OR-

buy all 175,000,000 variations. With a cash payoff of $361M that's a guaranteed profit $186M.

Anybody got $175M I can borrow?

Thav

(946 posts)
8. Don't forget you'd win tons of smaller prizes too...
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:17 PM
Nov 2012

Like 55 (56? I don't remember how many powerballs there are) $200,000 prizes (5 white balls, no powerball).

But someone else could get the #'s right too. So only if you're the only one would this be worth it.

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
9. I was thinking the same thing.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:30 PM
Nov 2012

with that kind of payout if you had the money and bought each combination, sure winner and sure profit!

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
12. So, less than being hit by lightning...
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:37 PM
Nov 2012

... but more than being hit by a meteorite.

Allow me to take this opportunity to say how much I dislike the lottery. It lures in the most obsessive-compulsive people and inevitably ruins their finances, has them wasting hours of my time every week, blocking paying customers, getting annoyed at me for not understanding the detailed arcana of their chosen vice, and otherwise gumming up the works of a small store.

Its profit margin is so minimal that I personally am convinced that lottery-runs like these actually depress sales of retail goods. Every week, I see gambling addicts denying candy for their kids so that they can buy another scratch-off or ticket. The store owners make more off of a single pack of gum than they do from five minutes' worth of Pick 4 printouts.

During runs like this, the lotto-loons congregate so thickly that other paying customers simply start to leave their purchases behind and walk out.

And, as a Virginian, I cannot help but note that every goddamned penny of those Powerball receipts was supposed to go directly to the education budget, but they do not, and college tuition rates continue to rise as a result. So it's keeping Virginians stupid, too.

I hate to say this, but I now feel that state-sponsored gambling is bad for our society. I'm not going to try to take it away from you millions of addicts, but I'm watching your fortunes decline with much sadness.

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
14. Do the math ...
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:41 PM
Nov 2012

Each ticket costs $2, so you'd need to shell out $350M. After taxes, the $361M goes down to roughly $250M. So the only thing you're guaranteed is to be out at least $100M.

If there are multiple winners, you're even more screwn.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
39. Um, I think the $361M is the 'after-tax' figure from the jackpot of $550M. Even so, were
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:34 PM
Nov 2012

it a 'sure thing' (it is not), syndicates run by scumbags like Romney would be all up in it.

W T F

(1,148 posts)
22. Not a bad strategy until you have to deal with this math......
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:45 PM
Nov 2012

If it takes 6 seconds to fill out one lottery ticket card and scan the numbers into the computer...It will take 333 years to fill out and scan 175 million of them. By the time you finish this task, Money will not be able to solve your problems.

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
25. You can have the machine generate the numbers for you.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:51 PM
Nov 2012

That would certainly speed things up, but considering it draws them randomly, you'd have no way of knowing whether or not it picked all the combinations (ie, no repeats).

In fact, the probability that it would are exceedingly small - MUCH SMALLER than the probability of you winning on a single ticket.

Interesting thought experiment, however.

 

IDoMath

(404 posts)
31. They tried in the past
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:21 PM
Nov 2012

Sometime ago big investors tried to do something to buy up all the tickets. There was some mechanism in place that prevented it. If they could register a lotto computer and do it all electronically, it would be simple.

W T F

(1,148 posts)
42. Not to mention, at an inflation rate of 3% per year.......
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 05:26 PM
Nov 2012

550 million would only be worth half a million in today's dollars.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
29. That's what I'm doing.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:17 PM
Nov 2012

Headed out to buy it shortly. I'm almost certainly about to throw away two bucks, but I'll get a nice two mile round-trip walk out of it. So, not a complete waste. And I wouldn't mind winning the second or third prizes. I would be QUITE happy and satisfied, actually.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
37. Actually, odds are 1 in 175 million (and change). I think your odds of
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:27 PM
Nov 2012

getting struck by lightning are higher, IIRC.

loyalkydem

(1,678 posts)
4. I will be only spending 2.00
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:13 PM
Nov 2012

It would be funny if my one little 2.00 ticket winds up being the winner.....

Debau2005

(1,916 posts)
13. Same for me
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:40 PM
Nov 2012

I do it for the fun. If I win, then YEAH...if not, it was fun to dream for a few minutes.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
7. Word of advice to anyone reading...
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:16 PM
Nov 2012

I actually changed a friend's behavior by telling them this, as they never thought about it.

If you are going to buy a lottery ticket, buy only one ticket.

It seems counter-intuitive to some. It feels like, "Hey, if I buy ten tickets, or twenty, then I am ten or twenty times more likely to win!!!"

Yes, this is true. So instead of 1-in-75,000,000 odds of winning, your odds are now 10-in-75,000,000 or 20-in-75,000,000.

They are still infinitesimal.

But to you, and your personal finances, there is probably a huge, huge difference between spending one dollar and spending ten, or twenty dollars.

So if you want to blow a buck, hey, why not? It's the same price as a drink in a restaurant. It helps fund scholarships. Chip in your buck.

But don't go buying dozens of tickets thinking it is helping you. It isn't.

brooklynite

(94,624 posts)
11. Very sensible...
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:35 PM
Nov 2012

...my approach is to see the $2.00 as the equivalent of the change I find in the couch cushions that I otherwise would never no I had.

question everything

(47,490 posts)
10. I may consider purchasing a ticket, or two
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:33 PM
Nov 2012

if, instead of having one humongous prize of $500 million they would have 500 prizes of $1 million. Or 50,000 prizes of $10,000.

What can one possibly do with $360 million?

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
21. They do have other prizes
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:44 PM
Nov 2012

There are $1M, $10K, $100, $7 and $4 ...

and the odds on all of them are completely stacked against you.

question everything

(47,490 posts)
28. Not surprising that the odds are stacked against you
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:03 PM
Nov 2012

if you still keep one top prize of $500 million.

But I think (I am not a mathematician) that if you will build the game as a wider spread of prizes, eliminating the top one that the odds would improve. No?

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
30. Actually, they're double that now.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:18 PM
Nov 2012

When they doubled the price of the ticket, they doubled the sizes of the runner-up prizes.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
34. They changed the rules a few years back to increase the payout, while at the same time they
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:50 PM
Nov 2012

decreased the number of possible winners. They said that would increase the number of people wanting to buy tickets.
Ahhh, no, all that did was to decrease the numbers of possible winners, making winning something in the lottery that much harder.

With a limit of $1,000,000 prize for the winner, there could be 5 big winners this time. Buy two tickets, you might win twice. 2 million.
I guess Logic can't win out over greed. Either for the people running the lottery or the people buying tickets.

ElboRuum

(4,717 posts)
36. That's not fair.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:25 PM
Nov 2012

Not having 360 million, I hadn't really thought about it much.

Hand me 360 million, and I'll guarantee every spare moment I have will be spent coming up with ideas.

 

Panasonic

(2,921 posts)
19. A trust fund will be established
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:43 PM
Nov 2012

tax-free, I think.

I think it has been done before with lottery winnings.

Soon I will go get one myself... and one for my dad.

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