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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 03:52 PM Feb 23

Trump submits cellphone records allegedly showing Nathan Wade and Fani Willis' interactions before hiring

Last edited Fri Feb 23, 2024, 06:25 PM - Edit history (2)

Source: ABC News

Former President Donald Trump on Friday submitted a request to enter new evidence in his Georgia election interference case based off Fulton County prosecutor Nathan Wade's cellphone records, which the filing claims show that Wade visited the home of Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis approximately 35 times during an 11-month period in 2021.

The records could be used to dispute Willis and Wade's claims about their relationship timeline.

The new filing from Trump comes in the wake of an evidentiary hearing over efforts to disqualify Willis and Wade from the case, during which both Willis and Wade testified under oath last week that their romantic relationship did not begin until after Wade was officially hired in November 2021, and that the relationship started in 2022.

"I don't consider my relationship to be romantic with him before that," Willis testified regarding Wade's hiring.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-submits-cell-phone-records-allegedly-showing-nathan/story?id=107488801&fbclid=IwAR0WVxAqvaK6YpGX0R0pXB7xdNQJKn6rXtryL688puIBobkbSyTy0Ssmb8Y



So why did this report mysteriously not get completed till the trial was over?

It feels 2000-Mules-ish to me.

The Washington Post has added some important context here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/02/23/fani-willis-nathan-wade-cellphone-data/
"The data does not definitively prove that Wade was visiting Willis -- or, if he was, what happened during those visits. The Hapeville area where Willis rented the condo is a busy commercial stretch adjacent to the Atlanta airport, filled with restaurants and major highways. It is also among the more densely populated, predominantly Black neighborhoods in the region and is home to a concentration of businesses that are open late, including bars, night clubs and strip clubs.

"It's unknown how large of an area Trump's investigator examined around the condo. He explained in his affidavit that he drew the data from two cellphone towers, one 2,000 feet from the condo and the other about 3,000 away. An area many thousands of feet across could capture large swaths of territory well beyond Willis's former condo."


More here.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-team-questions-fani-willis-nathan-wade-romantic-relationship-timing/
On Friday, lawyers for the D.A.'s office were trying to find their own expert witnesses who would be able to counter what the Trump lawyers have asserted, according to the source. Their hope is to be able to file a response as early as Friday or this weekend.

"The interpretation of the data is not what you think it is," the source told CBS News.


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Trump submits cellphone records allegedly showing Nathan Wade and Fani Willis' interactions before hiring (Original Post) pnwmom Feb 23 OP
Shit! I hope this doesn't kill her chances. bluestarone Feb 23 #1
Not so sure the new "interactions" prove anything Farmer-Rick Feb 24 #23
Putin's guy, why not? I was wondering that myself Walleye Feb 25 #52
Why immedaitely assume what repug oppo researchers want you to? brush Feb 25 #53
According to Atlanta Journal, the Judge will resume hearings March 1 on Willis/Wade. Hopefully, prosecution Silent Type Feb 23 #2
Didn't Wade testify that he was helping her with her campaign neohippie Feb 23 #3
And the WA Post article that I added below mentions that she'd been living in a very busy area pnwmom Feb 23 #12
This Proves That Trump's / Stone's Dirty Operatives Are EVERYWHERE NonPC Feb 23 #14
The evidence is just an affidative from one of the goons Farmer-Rick Feb 24 #24
They understand that America's Reality TV Media are NOT Journalist maxrandb Feb 26 #57
Well said Farmer-Rick Feb 26 #58
Something doesn't sound right............................... Lovie777 Feb 23 #4
Yeah like how can Trump get Wades cell phone data LEGALLY?? Captain Zero Feb 24 #45
The cell records Zeitghost Feb 26 #59
They had to watch the hearings... 2naSalit Feb 23 #5
This proves nothing. Wade and Wilis were friends for years. They themselves testified to that. SunSeeker Feb 23 #6
I'm old enough to remember... Think. Again. Feb 23 #7
Yes. Trump needs to understand Mr.Bill Feb 24 #39
Where did he get cell phone records? Fullduplexxx Feb 23 #8
The article says they subpoenaed them. nt pnwmom Feb 23 #10
This is evidence already submitted Farmer-Rick Feb 24 #26
There are a million and one reasons slightlv Feb 23 #9
I'm pissed that this judge even entertained this bullshit in the first place Novara Feb 23 #11
Who cares about booty calls between friends? marshall Feb 23 #13
Why should they have to show anything? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 24 #32
I don't remember the timeline EndlessWire Feb 23 #15
Trump lives in the gutter.... SergeStorms Feb 24 #21
Trump is a convicted rapist and that doesn't stop him from running for President - stop this nonsense. NoMoreRepugs Feb 23 #16
This proves NOTHING Playingmantis Feb 23 #17
I posted the WA Post article that talks about that. pnwmom Feb 24 #18
Exactly right Farmer-Rick Feb 24 #27
The judge YD Democrat Feb 24 #19
Need a Y. D. D. Avatar? And welcome to DU! KS Toronado Feb 24 #44
Trump doesn't understand bigmonk Feb 24 #20
Oh, but..... SergeStorms Feb 24 #22
It's all irrelevant bullshit to delay the trial. Emile Feb 24 #25
Agree! bluestarone Feb 24 #30
Prosecutors filed a motion last night to deny consideration Hassin Bin Sober Feb 24 #33
100% agree. I'm glad they responded, but bluestarone Feb 24 #35
He held the hearing because not holding it... Hassin Bin Sober Feb 24 #36
Oh i 100% agree to the judge holding the hearing. (HE needed to do that) bluestarone Feb 24 #37
They are cell tower pings only... getagrip_already Feb 24 #28
For shithole and his lawyers to obtain such phone records without a.............................. Lovie777 Feb 24 #29
They reportedly had a subpoena FBaggins Feb 26 #55
DU should make a new forum Marthe48 Feb 24 #31
Let's not forget Owens Feb 24 #34
My question to the media; robbob Feb 24 #38
This has nothing to do with DJT's crimes. OMGWTF Feb 24 #40
another nothing berder et tu Feb 24 #41
You had me at "allegedly" JoseBalow Feb 24 #42
Yes and all this make Donald Dump less guilty how? SouthernDem4ever Feb 24 #43
Going to go against the crowd here. Socal31 Feb 25 #46
What is the conflict of interest? Their theory was that she appointed him so he'd take pnwmom Feb 25 #47
The "made more in private practice" argument doesn't work FBaggins Feb 26 #56
He testified in court that he took a significant pay cut to work for Willis. pnwmom Feb 26 #60
He did and he didn't FBaggins Feb 26 #61
Roy Cohn school Sleazy Fuckery nvme Feb 25 #48
So maybe their whole strategy moniss Feb 25 #49
There is no smell test that this would pass. twodogsbarking Feb 25 #50
Trump is running scared. He's going down, one way or the other. Joinfortmill Feb 25 #51
Disqualifying conflict of interest bullshit. I don't know why this is even GoodRaisin Feb 25 #54
Trump is trying to float balloons for his magamugs. None of this proves anything. ificandream Feb 26 #62

bluestarone

(16,978 posts)
1. Shit! I hope this doesn't kill her chances.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 03:58 PM
Feb 23

Why do people shoot themselves in the foot? So many lies out there, can't even trust if THIS is true.

Farmer-Rick

(10,192 posts)
23. Not so sure the new "interactions" prove anything
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 09:50 AM
Feb 24

From the link:

"Trump's filing on Friday was based on an affidavit from a criminal investigator who said he conducted the analysis on Wade's subpoenaed AT&T phone records spanning from January through November of 2021."

So this is just a goon the stinking Nazi hired to claim this. How do we know this guy isn't just one of Putin's little spies? Like in the Hunter Biden case?

He's already changed his claim once and why didn't they submit this during the real trial? Maybe it took them that long to whitewash a Russian agent?

brush

(53,792 posts)
53. Why immedaitely assume what repug oppo researchers want you to?
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 05:45 PM
Feb 25

Wade could've been doing business and calling the thousands of other phones in that busy area.

Silent Type

(2,910 posts)
2. According to Atlanta Journal, the Judge will resume hearings March 1 on Willis/Wade. Hopefully, prosecution
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:02 PM
Feb 23

contradicts this allegation.

Don't think judge will require them to step down, but I bet he might encourage them privately to do so just because of how big the case is.

However, I can also see him thinking this case has already turned into a bigger mess than he anticiapted because of this distraction, and the problems in prosecuting 19 defendants each with their own attorney in a RICO case. But who knows?

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
3. Didn't Wade testify that he was helping her with her campaign
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:04 PM
Feb 23

Not sure what this proves, because they did say that they worked together on her campaign I thought and they did say that Wade didn't spend the night, and this corroborates that he did come and go

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
12. And the WA Post article that I added below mentions that she'd been living in a very busy area
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:13 PM
Feb 23

so there could have been lots of reasons for his presence in an area 2000 feet from one cell phone tower and 3000 feet from another.

NonPC

(305 posts)
14. This Proves That Trump's / Stone's Dirty Operatives Are EVERYWHERE
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 09:18 PM
Feb 23

Gotta find dirt on anyone who might trip them up. Their network must be HUGE.

Farmer-Rick

(10,192 posts)
24. The evidence is just an affidative from one of the goons
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 09:53 AM
Feb 24

It's not any additional hard evidence. It's just a hired goon or Putin spy saying this crap.

maxrandb

(15,334 posts)
57. They understand that America's Reality TV Media are NOT Journalist
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 08:41 AM
Feb 26

They are stenographers.

It's much easier and cheaper to just take what a Retrumplican operative sends you, do a quick spell check, slap your name on it and publish it in the online cesspool.

It would take about 30 seconds of research to determine that the headline being put on a story, doesn't match the story.

1. It's not "cellphone records". It's "location data" from cellphone data. Huge difference.

2. The filing "alleges" he "visited". I allege that the reporter who wrote that line is a lazy piece of amphibian shit. I have more evidence of my allegation, than this "stenographer" has that these "cellphone records" show "visits" to the DA's condo.

This is nothing but a lazy media engaging in rat-fucking.

Walter Cronkite is spinning in his grave

Lovie777

(12,281 posts)
4. Something doesn't sound right...............................
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:05 PM
Feb 23

I'm pretty sure the attorneys for Willis and Wade are well prepared.

2naSalit

(86,650 posts)
5. They had to watch the hearings...
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:17 PM
Feb 23

So they'd know what to put in them. Good forensics should set things straight.

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
6. This proves nothing. Wade and Wilis were friends for years. They themselves testified to that.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:19 PM
Feb 23

And I'm sure they had a lot of phone conversations/texts when she was recruiting him to join the prosecution.

Of course they spoke on the phone. That does not prove they were romantically involved.

Think. Again.

(8,190 posts)
7. I'm old enough to remember...
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:33 PM
Feb 23

...when the presence of a telephone didn't mean you had to screw.

Kids these days.

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
39. Yes. Trump needs to understand
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 02:41 PM
Feb 24

not every man tries to rape women five minutes after they see them in a department store. Ican give you a long list of women who I have been around frequently for years without being romantically involved.

slightlv

(2,823 posts)
9. There are a million and one reasons
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 05:17 PM
Feb 23

for them to be talking on the phone. And so what IF they were discussing romance?! That has nothing to do with the RICO case. I am so sick of this bullcrap. *rump wouldn't be doing this if Fani was male. He hates women and thinks we're dumb as rocks... especially WOC. Of course, so far, it's only been women who've really held him to account on anything! He's just so desperate now. Wait and see what happens and how he changes once he hits Cannon's courtroom. He'll either get belligerent and scream at her that he put her on the court to help him, and he can take her off the bench... or he'll be all sugar and spice to her. But it sure won't be anything like the way he's treated Willis and James.

Novara

(5,844 posts)
11. I'm pissed that this judge even entertained this bullshit in the first place
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 05:46 PM
Feb 23

There is no conflict of interest: they are both on the same side.

What's more, even if the judge does find there's a conflict, it won't stop the case.

marshall

(6,665 posts)
13. Who cares about booty calls between friends?
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:38 PM
Feb 23

What they need to focus on is finding evidence of the reimbursements. The “romantic relationship” is only relevant when connected to so-called kickbacks. Show evidence of reimbursements and shit this whole thing down.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
32. Why should they have to show anything?
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 11:13 AM
Feb 24

The most they have is three vacations they took TOGETHER. Vacations not atypical for well educated successful professionals. Regardless of who paid for the vacations they don’t, on their face, show any kind of corruption. The alleged nepotism is not a matter for this court because it doesn’t meet the criteria for conflict as spelled out in rules or case law.

The judge can rule on this circus as is and put it to bed.

EndlessWire

(6,537 posts)
15. I don't remember the timeline
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 10:38 PM
Feb 23

but, Wade had cancer and was being treated for it. It was never told what type it was, but it was on the tip of her tongue, and she stopped herself. I can well imagine what it was, and a good reason for them to refrain from sex.

Trump will try anything to squirm away like the rat that he is. It doesn't seem to me that this means much, if anything. It's one of those deals where you are around someone a whole lot, and then one day you just look at them differently. I think you don't have to put everything you have in the paperwork, but there is not enough here to bring Fani down. Especially since she stated under oath that the romance is over.

I sure don't care if two people on the same side had a romance! And, he wasn't an employee, so there couldn't have been that kind of conflict. It IS interesting how tRump's side is continuing to insist there's more there, when there just isn't. Grasping at straws to mix in the mud they are flinging against the Courtroom walls. What a loser.

Playingmantis

(139 posts)
17. This proves NOTHING
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 11:56 PM
Feb 23

The information Trumps hacks provided says that according to AT&T records his cell phone pinged off of one of two towers in the area she lived.. that proves NOTHING... There are lots of shops and bars and businesses in the area and it only means he was in the area.. Some jackasses are saying it proved he was in her bedroom! Scum all of them!

Same bullshit that Dinesh D'Sousa tried to prove there were thousands of mules working to steal the election.

Same crap like the FBI agent with his proof of Bidens bribes..

I am so goddamned sick of these fucking liars .



Farmer-Rick

(10,192 posts)
27. Exactly right
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 09:58 AM
Feb 24

Just some crap a hired goon or Putin spy analyzed and did an affidative on. It's just this Trump goons word

YD Democrat

(11 posts)
19. The judge
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 05:54 AM
Feb 24

In this case, IANAL yet I don't have to be. Defense is throwing uncooked spaghetti noodles at the wall.
Judge knows better.
Besides being outraged yet again, I'm bored now.

Loser Trump has lost, will lose again. And again.

bigmonk

(52 posts)
20. Trump doesn't understand
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 07:53 AM
Feb 24

Trump lives in the republican world where slandering and ridiculing an opponent wins an argument. It's a five-year-old world that Democrats don't understand because they have grown up. Plus, republicans hold people who oppose them to a higher standard than they follow. Seriously, a guy with the alley cat sexual history that Trump has a lot of nerve screaming foul over other people having sex.
I still don't understand how this would affect the prosecution of the case. It sounds like an eight layer nothing cake.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
22. Oh, but.....
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 09:40 AM
Feb 24

he's found religion now (yeah, how convenient! ) and he's been forgiven.

At least that's what all his fundamentalist cult members believe.

We already know how self-deluded they are by their belief system, and Trump will take advantage of every one of these dumb shits.

bluestarone

(16,978 posts)
30. Agree!
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 10:57 AM
Feb 24

My question is why does the judge accept more crap, AFTER the hearing has reached closing arguments time? WTF?

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
33. Prosecutors filed a motion last night to deny consideration
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 11:16 AM
Feb 24

The defense didn’t come close to following the law on “expert” testimony additions. The information is late and unsupported

bluestarone

(16,978 posts)
35. 100% agree. I'm glad they responded, but
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 11:25 AM
Feb 24

Did the judge accept this bullshit to begin with? If he did WHY would he if the hearing was already into closing arguments. ( it's just upsetting, but i don't really know the rules of how hearings are run)

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
36. He held the hearing because not holding it...
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 12:11 PM
Feb 24

… could have been grounds for appeal.

But now, hearing the defense’s best case scenario, he should rule there was no financial conflict - conflict has to be a financial incentive to bring and/or convict the case. In other words, a reasonable person would have to think, absent the vacations, the case might not have been filed. That’s clearly not the case regardless of who paid for the vacations.

Delving into the nepotism piece is absurd as the issue has no bearing on the case. That’s an Hr/voter’s issue - not a matter for the trial.

The case is reaching Judge Ito levels of circus clown show. Fortunately there is no jury and this judge has to rule on the law - which has very specific parameters for disqualification.

bluestarone

(16,978 posts)
37. Oh i 100% agree to the judge holding the hearing. (HE needed to do that)
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 12:18 PM
Feb 24

My thinking (maybe wrong) once they hit the closing argument stage,NO MORE bullshit evidence should be allowed. The only reason is to DELAY. I do feel good about this judge though. He seems like a good judge.

getagrip_already

(14,766 posts)
28. They are cell tower pings only...
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 10:01 AM
Feb 24

For wades phone showing he was somewhere in the area - not at her house.

It is a congested city location. Bars, restaurants, erc.

She was out of town during several of the time periods.

It shows nothing except the detective violated the law obtaining the records.

Lovie777

(12,281 posts)
29. For shithole and his lawyers to obtain such phone records without a..............................
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 10:11 AM
Feb 24

subpoena is in itself subject. Reading into such, they obtain the cell phone records through another source, and which could be compromised.

Therefore, the records apparently were not directly from AT & T because they require a subpoena. From what I am reading.

Plus, Willis and Wade have already verified the timeline.

Owens

(199 posts)
34. Let's not forget
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 11:20 AM
Feb 24

This is how Donald Trump has gotten away with everything in his life, bullying and blackmail. This is a warning to Jack Smith and others.

robbob

(3,534 posts)
38. My question to the media;
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 12:23 PM
Feb 24

What the F*** does any of this have to do with the crimes tRump is accused of? In fact, what does this have to do with ANY aspect of the case? Is he accusing two prosecutors of entering into a romantic relationship so they could conspire to….I don’t know, PROSECUTE him?

It’s nonsense.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
46. Going to go against the crowd here.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:56 AM
Feb 25

The standard is a conflict of interest or an appearance of conflict of interest.

Since Fani is not on trial, I pass no judgement on the former. But I haven't heard any good faith argument against the latter.

I think the judge removes her, and that's fine, do it tomorrow. This is far bigger than her or the judge or my soon to be flamed hot-take. This is about finally delivering a slice of justice pizza to one Donald Thump. Everyone else GTFO of the way.

The reality of the matter is, that poor ham sandwich that seems to get easily indicted, as the saying goes, can replace Fani as the prosecutor and easily win the conviction.

Point being, Thump is just shuffling the deck chairs around. Its not going to melt the iceberg.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
47. What is the conflict of interest? Their theory was that she appointed him so he'd take
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 03:01 AM
Feb 25

her on fancy dates. Even if they were dating when he got appointed, that theory still makes no sense. He was making more money in private practice than working for the county. If she wanted him to fund fancy dates, then she'd have been better off with him NOT working for the county.

As to your other point, if the judge removes her, there's no way the trial will be before the election. Another case was taken away from her last year and it still hasn't been assigned a trial date.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
56. The "made more in private practice" argument doesn't work
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 08:29 AM
Feb 26

He didn’t leave private practice to work for the DA instead (taking a pay cut).

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
60. He testified in court that he took a significant pay cut to work for Willis.
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 01:31 PM
Feb 26

https://www.law.com/dailyreportonline/2024/02/15/special-prosecutor-and-ex-firm-partner-testify-on-legal-fees-attorney-client-privilege/
What You Need to Know

Chief Prosecutor Nathan Wade, a private attorney, said he took a significant pay cut to work for Willis.

Attorneys argued whether testimony from his former law firm partner could be limited due to attorney-client privilege.

Before Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis testified about her relationship with Nathan Wade on Thursday, the special prosecutor took the stand himself, answering uncomfortable questions about his law firm finances, his work hours on behalf of the county, and his financial affairs with Willis.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
61. He did and he didn't
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 03:41 PM
Feb 26

He testified that he worked a number of hours without pay (because his billables are capped) - But he also admitted on c/x that his firm made more over the last two years than the year before

IOW, "pay cut" can mean many things. Maybe his standard hourly rate is higher... but that doesn't mean that he has a guaranteed income stream from a single client that can fill those hours. It isn't as though a billable rate is comparable to an hourly salary.

nvme

(860 posts)
48. Roy Cohn school Sleazy Fuckery
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 04:18 AM
Feb 25

This is how it works. He has loyalists who will slither out of the sewers that they have infested in for years for years. The trick is to discredit and delay. They only seek to delay long enough to try and place that ratfuck back in back in charge so he can shut the prosecutions down. It is that simple

moniss

(4,263 posts)
49. So maybe their whole strategy
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 12:45 PM
Feb 25

boils down to get her removed even if Wade remains and then try to have a "friendly" in charge in the case over Wade. Then the "friendly" can be convinced to withdraw charges because the case is in their words "hopelessly tainted".

GoodRaisin

(8,924 posts)
54. Disqualifying conflict of interest bullshit. I don't know why this is even
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 08:32 PM
Feb 25

still being discussed.

Delay delay delay….all this is about.

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