Trump submits cellphone records allegedly showing Nathan Wade and Fani Willis' interactions before hiring
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Source: ABC News
Former President Donald Trump on Friday submitted a request to enter new evidence in his Georgia election interference case based off Fulton County prosecutor Nathan Wade's cellphone records, which the filing claims show that Wade visited the home of Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis approximately 35 times during an 11-month period in 2021.
The records could be used to dispute Willis and Wade's claims about their relationship timeline.
The new filing from Trump comes in the wake of an evidentiary hearing over efforts to disqualify Willis and Wade from the case, during which both Willis and Wade testified under oath last week that their romantic relationship did not begin until after Wade was officially hired in November 2021, and that the relationship started in 2022.
"I don't consider my relationship to be romantic with him before that," Willis testified regarding Wade's hiring.
Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-submits-cell-phone-records-allegedly-showing-nathan/story?id=107488801&fbclid=IwAR0WVxAqvaK6YpGX0R0pXB7xdNQJKn6rXtryL688puIBobkbSyTy0Ssmb8Y
So why did this report mysteriously not get completed till the trial was over?
It feels 2000-Mules-ish to me.
The Washington Post has added some important context here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/02/23/fani-willis-nathan-wade-cellphone-data/
"It's unknown how large of an area Trump's investigator examined around the condo. He explained in his affidavit that he drew the data from two cellphone towers, one 2,000 feet from the condo and the other about 3,000 away. An area many thousands of feet across could capture large swaths of territory well beyond Willis's former condo."
More here.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-team-questions-fani-willis-nathan-wade-romantic-relationship-timing/
"The interpretation of the data is not what you think it is," the source told CBS News.
bluestarone
(16,978 posts)Why do people shoot themselves in the foot? So many lies out there, can't even trust if THIS is true.
Farmer-Rick
(10,192 posts)From the link:
"Trump's filing on Friday was based on an affidavit from a criminal investigator who said he conducted the analysis on Wade's subpoenaed AT&T phone records spanning from January through November of 2021."
So this is just a goon the stinking Nazi hired to claim this. How do we know this guy isn't just one of Putin's little spies? Like in the Hunter Biden case?
He's already changed his claim once and why didn't they submit this during the real trial? Maybe it took them that long to whitewash a Russian agent?
Walleye
(31,028 posts)brush
(53,792 posts)Wade could've been doing business and calling the thousands of other phones in that busy area.
Silent Type
(2,910 posts)contradicts this allegation.
Don't think judge will require them to step down, but I bet he might encourage them privately to do so just because of how big the case is.
However, I can also see him thinking this case has already turned into a bigger mess than he anticiapted because of this distraction, and the problems in prosecuting 19 defendants each with their own attorney in a RICO case. But who knows?
neohippie
(1,142 posts)Not sure what this proves, because they did say that they worked together on her campaign I thought and they did say that Wade didn't spend the night, and this corroborates that he did come and go
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)so there could have been lots of reasons for his presence in an area 2000 feet from one cell phone tower and 3000 feet from another.
NonPC
(305 posts)Gotta find dirt on anyone who might trip them up. Their network must be HUGE.
Farmer-Rick
(10,192 posts)It's not any additional hard evidence. It's just a hired goon or Putin spy saying this crap.
maxrandb
(15,334 posts)They are stenographers.
It's much easier and cheaper to just take what a Retrumplican operative sends you, do a quick spell check, slap your name on it and publish it in the online cesspool.
It would take about 30 seconds of research to determine that the headline being put on a story, doesn't match the story.
1. It's not "cellphone records". It's "location data" from cellphone data. Huge difference.
2. The filing "alleges" he "visited". I allege that the reporter who wrote that line is a lazy piece of amphibian shit. I have more evidence of my allegation, than this "stenographer" has that these "cellphone records" show "visits" to the DA's condo.
This is nothing but a lazy media engaging in rat-fucking.
Walter Cronkite is spinning in his grave
Farmer-Rick
(10,192 posts)It's amazing how this gets passed off as news.
Lovie777
(12,281 posts)I'm pretty sure the attorneys for Willis and Wade are well prepared.
Captain Zero
(6,811 posts)Another crime has now occurred. Surprised?
Zeitghost
(3,862 posts)Were turned over legally via subpoena.
2naSalit
(86,650 posts)So they'd know what to put in them. Good forensics should set things straight.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)And I'm sure they had a lot of phone conversations/texts when she was recruiting him to join the prosecution.
Of course they spoke on the phone. That does not prove they were romantically involved.
Think. Again.
(8,190 posts)...when the presence of a telephone didn't mean you had to screw.
Kids these days.
Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)not every man tries to rape women five minutes after they see them in a department store. Ican give you a long list of women who I have been around frequently for years without being romantically involved.
Fullduplexxx
(7,865 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,192 posts)But now thoroughly analyzed by some hired goon....or Putin agent?
slightlv
(2,823 posts)for them to be talking on the phone. And so what IF they were discussing romance?! That has nothing to do with the RICO case. I am so sick of this bullcrap. *rump wouldn't be doing this if Fani was male. He hates women and thinks we're dumb as rocks... especially WOC. Of course, so far, it's only been women who've really held him to account on anything! He's just so desperate now. Wait and see what happens and how he changes once he hits Cannon's courtroom. He'll either get belligerent and scream at her that he put her on the court to help him, and he can take her off the bench... or he'll be all sugar and spice to her. But it sure won't be anything like the way he's treated Willis and James.
Novara
(5,844 posts)There is no conflict of interest: they are both on the same side.
What's more, even if the judge does find there's a conflict, it won't stop the case.
marshall
(6,665 posts)What they need to focus on is finding evidence of the reimbursements. The romantic relationship is only relevant when connected to so-called kickbacks. Show evidence of reimbursements and shit this whole thing down.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)The most they have is three vacations they took TOGETHER. Vacations not atypical for well educated successful professionals. Regardless of who paid for the vacations they dont, on their face, show any kind of corruption. The alleged nepotism is not a matter for this court because it doesnt meet the criteria for conflict as spelled out in rules or case law.
The judge can rule on this circus as is and put it to bed.
EndlessWire
(6,537 posts)but, Wade had cancer and was being treated for it. It was never told what type it was, but it was on the tip of her tongue, and she stopped herself. I can well imagine what it was, and a good reason for them to refrain from sex.
Trump will try anything to squirm away like the rat that he is. It doesn't seem to me that this means much, if anything. It's one of those deals where you are around someone a whole lot, and then one day you just look at them differently. I think you don't have to put everything you have in the paperwork, but there is not enough here to bring Fani down. Especially since she stated under oath that the romance is over.
I sure don't care if two people on the same side had a romance! And, he wasn't an employee, so there couldn't have been that kind of conflict. It IS interesting how tRump's side is continuing to insist there's more there, when there just isn't. Grasping at straws to mix in the mud they are flinging against the Courtroom walls. What a loser.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)and that's where he keeps trying to drag everyone else.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,436 posts)Playingmantis
(139 posts)The information Trumps hacks provided says that according to AT&T records his cell phone pinged off of one of two towers in the area she lived.. that proves NOTHING... There are lots of shops and bars and businesses in the area and it only means he was in the area.. Some jackasses are saying it proved he was in her bedroom! Scum all of them!
Same bullshit that Dinesh D'Sousa tried to prove there were thousands of mules working to steal the election.
Same crap like the FBI agent with his proof of Bidens bribes..
I am so goddamned sick of these fucking liars .
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)It's the first article in the comments.
Farmer-Rick
(10,192 posts)Just some crap a hired goon or Putin spy analyzed and did an affidative on. It's just this Trump goons word
YD Democrat
(11 posts)In this case, IANAL yet I don't have to be. Defense is throwing uncooked spaghetti noodles at the wall.
Judge knows better.
Besides being outraged yet again, I'm bored now.
Loser Trump has lost, will lose again. And again.
KS Toronado
(17,268 posts)bigmonk
(52 posts)Trump lives in the republican world where slandering and ridiculing an opponent wins an argument. It's a five-year-old world that Democrats don't understand because they have grown up. Plus, republicans hold people who oppose them to a higher standard than they follow. Seriously, a guy with the alley cat sexual history that Trump has a lot of nerve screaming foul over other people having sex.
I still don't understand how this would affect the prosecution of the case. It sounds like an eight layer nothing cake.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)he's found religion now (yeah, how convenient! ) and he's been forgiven.
At least that's what all his fundamentalist cult members believe.
We already know how self-deluded they are by their belief system, and Trump will take advantage of every one of these dumb shits.
Emile
(22,797 posts)My question is why does the judge accept more crap, AFTER the hearing has reached closing arguments time? WTF?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)The defense didnt come close to following the law on expert testimony additions. The information is late and unsupported
bluestarone
(16,978 posts)Did the judge accept this bullshit to begin with? If he did WHY would he if the hearing was already into closing arguments. ( it's just upsetting, but i don't really know the rules of how hearings are run)
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)
could have been grounds for appeal.
But now, hearing the defenses best case scenario, he should rule there was no financial conflict - conflict has to be a financial incentive to bring and/or convict the case. In other words, a reasonable person would have to think, absent the vacations, the case might not have been filed. Thats clearly not the case regardless of who paid for the vacations.
Delving into the nepotism piece is absurd as the issue has no bearing on the case. Thats an Hr/voters issue - not a matter for the trial.
The case is reaching Judge Ito levels of circus clown show. Fortunately there is no jury and this judge has to rule on the law - which has very specific parameters for disqualification.
bluestarone
(16,978 posts)My thinking (maybe wrong) once they hit the closing argument stage,NO MORE bullshit evidence should be allowed. The only reason is to DELAY. I do feel good about this judge though. He seems like a good judge.
getagrip_already
(14,766 posts)For wades phone showing he was somewhere in the area - not at her house.
It is a congested city location. Bars, restaurants, erc.
She was out of town during several of the time periods.
It shows nothing except the detective violated the law obtaining the records.
Lovie777
(12,281 posts)subpoena is in itself subject. Reading into such, they obtain the cell phone records through another source, and which could be compromised.
Therefore, the records apparently were not directly from AT & T because they require a subpoena. From what I am reading.
Plus, Willis and Wade have already verified the timeline.
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)One could argue that AT&T should have tried to quash it
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)and call it, Yeah, sure
Owens
(199 posts)This is how Donald Trump has gotten away with everything in his life, bullying and blackmail. This is a warning to Jack Smith and others.
robbob
(3,534 posts)What the F*** does any of this have to do with the crimes tRump is accused of? In fact, what does this have to do with ANY aspect of the case? Is he accusing two prosecutors of entering into a romantic relationship so they could conspire to
.I dont know, PROSECUTE him?
Its nonsense.
OMGWTF
(3,960 posts)Rethuglicans have nothing!
et tu
(879 posts)defendant 45 is full of them~
JoseBalow
(2,393 posts)I stopped reading after that
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)Of course, there's no answer to this.
Socal31
(2,484 posts)The standard is a conflict of interest or an appearance of conflict of interest.
Since Fani is not on trial, I pass no judgement on the former. But I haven't heard any good faith argument against the latter.
I think the judge removes her, and that's fine, do it tomorrow. This is far bigger than her or the judge or my soon to be flamed hot-take. This is about finally delivering a slice of justice pizza to one Donald Thump. Everyone else GTFO of the way.
The reality of the matter is, that poor ham sandwich that seems to get easily indicted, as the saying goes, can replace Fani as the prosecutor and easily win the conviction.
Point being, Thump is just shuffling the deck chairs around. Its not going to melt the iceberg.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)her on fancy dates. Even if they were dating when he got appointed, that theory still makes no sense. He was making more money in private practice than working for the county. If she wanted him to fund fancy dates, then she'd have been better off with him NOT working for the county.
As to your other point, if the judge removes her, there's no way the trial will be before the election. Another case was taken away from her last year and it still hasn't been assigned a trial date.
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)He didnt leave private practice to work for the DA instead (taking a pay cut).
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)https://www.law.com/dailyreportonline/2024/02/15/special-prosecutor-and-ex-firm-partner-testify-on-legal-fees-attorney-client-privilege/
Chief Prosecutor Nathan Wade, a private attorney, said he took a significant pay cut to work for Willis.
Attorneys argued whether testimony from his former law firm partner could be limited due to attorney-client privilege.
Before Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis testified about her relationship with Nathan Wade on Thursday, the special prosecutor took the stand himself, answering uncomfortable questions about his law firm finances, his work hours on behalf of the county, and his financial affairs with Willis.
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)He testified that he worked a number of hours without pay (because his billables are capped) - But he also admitted on c/x that his firm made more over the last two years than the year before
IOW, "pay cut" can mean many things. Maybe his standard hourly rate is higher... but that doesn't mean that he has a guaranteed income stream from a single client that can fill those hours. It isn't as though a billable rate is comparable to an hourly salary.
nvme
(860 posts)This is how it works. He has loyalists who will slither out of the sewers that they have infested in for years for years. The trick is to discredit and delay. They only seek to delay long enough to try and place that ratfuck back in back in charge so he can shut the prosecutions down. It is that simple
moniss
(4,263 posts)boils down to get her removed even if Wade remains and then try to have a "friendly" in charge in the case over Wade. Then the "friendly" can be convinced to withdraw charges because the case is in their words "hopelessly tainted".
twodogsbarking
(9,763 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,435 posts)GoodRaisin
(8,924 posts)still being discussed.
Delay delay delay
.all this is about.