If she can get Joe some of the Haley votes, MORE POWER to her. THIS i do support. It's gotta be something TFG will HATE!

Anyone who supports traitortrump is a Russiapublican. traitortrump's adoration of Putin is well-known, as is his dangerous handling of classified information.

The "enemy of my enemy is my ally" thing...
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on most policies, but I am with her on her plans to keep a monster out of the White House.

I don't know if I could be as brave.

She believes in America - as a democratic, modern America.

Not the medievalist, Putinesque plutocracy most of the rest of her party is trying to bring about.

That was sure to make her some heavy-duty enemies.

Nimrata will throw little cat swipes at Cheeto - all the while holding out for some plum job should he get back in.

It's about time.

the better.

He makes Liz Cheney look like a freaking hero.

This is the entire mission statement on her PAC's website:

She doesn't necessarily like Biden, but she recognizes that he's so much better than Chump. She knew that 4 years ago too. By speaking up now, Liz Cheney validates the feelings of so many OTHER Repukes who also hate Chump and who are also determined to see him defeated.

The only person who can beat Trump - Joe Biden. Liz Cheney won't do that.That makes me think this PAC is just a calculated attempt to prop up herself. Its current mission certainly won't make any dent in Trump's numbers.

Plenty of time for her to explicitly support Biden closer to the election.

stance, she still won't go all the way and commit to supporting a Democrat for President in order to save democracy. They think highly of her for the former but they also recognize it's not enough for her and other non-Trumper Republicans to just come out against Trump, they must put democracy above their party if they really mean what they say, and work to elect Joe Biden. That person who read Cheney's book saw the light despite Cheney not putting democracy over party, not because of it.

It's only 6 months until the election. Cheney's new PAC makes it very clear that she's not going to come out and support Biden, she's just going to continue to be anti-Trump. And those are two different things. If she happens to give someone the idea that he shouldn't vote for Trump either, that's good. But it could be better, and I was happy to hear Wallace and Maddow recognize what I've been thinking.

Perhaps her message will be for thinking republicans to simply stay home on election day, or more likely vote, but skip the presidential ballot. It is not the same as an affirmative vote for Biden, but it would potentially cause Trump to lose sufficient votes to lose the electors, at least in battleground states.

Putting "None of the above" as their choice for president.

I hate to say it, but I know Democrats that say they may do the same as they are not happy with Biden but want to support the down-ballot Dems.

If that is Cheney's plan, it is not as good as getting votes for Biden, but it could still help us.

We should work with her to encourage more moderate Republicans to support this.

and they are into "revenge".... now is the time!

When I was first taught this in high school I actually asked my Civics teacher if the founders were high. George Wallace had made a very strong third party run less than 10 years prior to when we were taught about this so in the political atmosphere of the day back then it was still fresh in peoples memory's I looked it up again and think I have it right and will also add, after 2016 nothing will surprise me.

. We don't have a runoff in our presidential election. It goes to congress if there are say 3 candidates and nobody gets 270. Then the shit storm hits. Each states congressional delegations get together and they pick who they think should be president out of the 3. The first candidate that gets 26 of states congressional delegations vote wins the presidency and importantly, those delegations are not bound to the delegates that represent the popular vote the states sent, they can elect whomever the hell they want of the 3. And it gets even better. The VP is chosen by a simple majority in the Senate between the 2, yes 2, VP candidates that got the most electoral votes in the general. If congress can't get 26 votes to elect a presidential candidate by inauguration day, the VP candidate the Senate picked is President until the gridlock in congress is addressed.

I'm telling you our founders were geniuses but I sometimes think they were tricksters from hell lol.

Edit: I think this is close to right.

There is NO ONE with the gravitas to win any state outside of Biden or Trump. The only way it could go to the House is if Biden and Smelvis tie at 269 electoral votes, and that's like drawing for an inside straight royal flush.

Will she? Very doubtful. Will what I stated happen? Long shot as you said. But after 2016 anythings on the radar as far as I'm concerned..

...trump was an unknown commodity, not any longer, everyone who hasn't been blinded by trump's bullshit now knows exactly what he is...

...some things are just bigger than domestic politics, like saving our democracy, Constitution and country from fascism...

...now is the time for democracy loving patriots of all persuasions to join arms in defeating this very real threat to our country a trump re-election would bring...

...when this is all over there'll be plenty of time to resume throwing rocks at each other but now is not the time...

...we've all got work to do...we've only got one chance to get this right...let's join forces with patriots everywhere to save our beloved country and democracy...

...Liz Cheney...

And now he's on her side against Trump. God bless 'em both. We need more thinking Republicans like them.

He never got any better, lemme tell ya!

I find it remarkable that tfg has replaced him (Cheney) in that position as a hundred times ! Welcome to the Cheneys as we fight to keep our democracy!

Of course I agree with her quest to keep Trump out of the White House but I can never support her. In Liz's world women would have to ride in the back of the bus.

..just a little while ago; soon as I saw the message and link. I had been waiting and hoping she'd start some sort of formal crusade against Trump. I have no idea how she's planning to bury Trump, don't really care how and will continue to support her, Lincoln Project and anyone else who's a Republican and hoping to stop Trump.

When the Democratic Party can’t. That is the value of this PAC

glow-in-the-dark tea.

…of a really tall high rise.

Full ON applause, Liz Cheney…FULL ON!! Please don’t scorn her.

I disagree with almost all of her positions but that's what reasonable politics are for. Sometimes their side wins sometimes our does and sometimes we meet in the middle.

No matter what though neither side should attempt a coup!

I'm convinced that she made a deal with the J6 committee: she would be on it (giving them the ability to claim it was bipartisan) as long as they let Ginni go.

Ginni Thomas was hip-deep in the insurrection.

I've posted several times articles about J6 staff angry over what she demanded to be cut that protected Rethugs Congress critters...she may have yelled at Gym 'you did this' but she made sure that whoever leaked which windows to breach, gave the tours, etc were protected.

Had she actually put country over party back then, we might nuw control the house and the fear of TFG would have been removed from the R party because his insurrectionist allies would have faced real consequences.

Will there be pay-per-view?

I was afraid she'd mount a 3rd party effort, but guess she knows that would just hurt Biden and ensure tsf's win. This is a much better way.

Haley & McConnell should be on that list, but there are many others. Anyone named McCain comes to mind.

Biden's main problem will be the now 4 third-party candidates.

Cheney can make a run for president on a rightwing third party and help Biden win by drawing all those disaffected GOP voters and other independents on the right.

She would also draw disaffected Republicans who have decided to vote for Biden.

Sorry I forgot to say that.

I can't help but greatly admire what she's doing here. She's not just telling people not to vote for Trump, she's spending money to help Biden.

She is in a fight to save a party that is dead. I would not give one penny but will do what I can in other ways.

If somehow someway, the orange asshole is elected, she better leave quick

So bad, that one of the most conservative members of congress - present or past - will actually support and actively promote a Democrat for president.

The temperature in hell right now is around 33 degrees Fahrenheit....and decreasing.