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BumRushDaShow

(129,326 posts)
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 08:32 AM Apr 10

Consumer prices rose 3.5% from a year ago in March, more than expected

Source: CNBC

Published Wed, Apr 10 2024 8:31 AM EDT Updated 10 Min Ago


The consumer price index accelerated at a faster-than-expected pace in March, pushing inflation higher and likely dashing hopes that the Federal Reserve will be able to cut interest rates anytime soon.

The CPI, a broad measure of goods and services costs across the economy, rose 0.4% for the month, putting the 12-month inflation rate at 3.5%, or 0.3 percentage point higher than in February, the Labor Department’s Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Wednesday.

Economists surveyed by Dow Jones had been looking for a 0.3% gain and a 3.4% year-over-year level.

Excluding volatile food and energy components, core CPI also accelerated 0.4% on a monthly basis while rising 3.8% from a year ago, compared with respective estimates for 0.3% and 3.7%.

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/10/cpi-inflation-march-2024-consumer-prices-rose-3point5percent-from-a-year-ago-in-march.html



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Published Wed, Apr 10 2024 8:31 AM EDT Updated 9 Min Ago


The consumer price index accelerated at a faster than expected pace in March, pushing inflation higher and likely keeping the Federal Reserve on hold with interest rates.

The CPI, a broad measure of goods and services costs across the economy, rose 0.4% for the month, putting the 12-month inflation rate at 3.5%, or 0.3 percentage point higher than in February. Economists surveyed by Dow Jones had been looking for a 0.3% gain and a 3.4% year-over-year level.

Excluding volatile food and energy components, core CPI also accelerated 0.4% on a monthly basis while rising 3.8% from a year ago, compared to respective estimates for 0.3% and 3.7%. Shelter and energy costs drove the increase on the all-items index.

Energy rose 1.1% after increasing 2.3% in February, while shelter costs, which make up about one-third of the weighting in the CPI, were higher by 0.4% on the month and up 5.7% from a year ago. Expectations for shelter-related costs to decelerate through the year have been central to the Fed's thesis that inflation will cool enough to allow for interest rate cuts.



Published Wed, Apr 10 2024 8:31 AM EDT Updated Moments Ago


The consumer price index increased at a faster than expected pace in March, indicating that inflation is staying stubbornly higher and likely keeping the Federal Reserve on hold with interest rates.

The CPI, a broad measure of goods and services costs across the economy, rose 0.4% for the month, putting the 12-month inflation rate at 3.5%. Economists surveyed by Dow Jones had been looking for a 0.3% gain and a 3.4% year-over-year level.

Excluding volatile food and energy components, core CPI also accelerated 0.4% on a monthly basis while rising 3.8% from a year ago, compared to respective estimates for 0.3% and 3.7%.


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Published Wed, Apr 10 20248:31 AM EDT


The consumer price index in March was expected to increase 3.4% from a year ago, according to the Dow Jones consensus estimate.

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Consumer prices rose 3.5% from a year ago in March, more than expected (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Apr 10 OP
Flipped the stock futures from green to red NewHendoLib Apr 10 #1
The Federal Reserve needs to jack up interest rates some more. James48 Apr 10 #2
Disagree Johnny2X2X Apr 10 #5
Fed is too weak and too late to the inflation fight, as usual, as per the 1970s bucolic_frolic Apr 10 #3
Graphs: *CORE* CPI month by month and rolling 3 month average. EDIT: and regular CPI. And PCE core and regular progree Apr 10 #4
Thanks and good morning! BumRushDaShow Apr 10 #6
I've been hearing that since about September 2022 -- a year and a half ago -- progree Apr 10 #9
They have been "predicting" although I did see articles where there are some small drops BumRushDaShow Apr 10 #10
It was back in September 2022 and many times I've looked at the news since all these many months progree Apr 10 #12
AND BumRushDaShow Apr 10 #13
Fed weighs PCE even more Johnny2X2X Apr 10 #8
I added PCE and Core PCE to my assemblage of graphs in my #4 above progree Apr 10 #18
On average. Igel Apr 11 #29
Actually Johnny2X2X Apr 11 #31
Well, any such thing should DAMNED well include energy The Mouth Apr 10 #19
I'm showing graphs in #4 that include food and energy (the regular headline numbers) and the ones without it (core) progree Apr 10 #21
Thanks The Mouth Apr 11 #24
And thank you. I hate inflation too -- I was a young adult in the late 70's early 80's great inflation progree Apr 11 #25
I watched it wipe out my family's savings and future The Mouth Apr 11 #27
The business media and the GQP want us to crap our pants moniss Apr 10 #7
They are trying to equate "3.5%" being as bad as "9%" BumRushDaShow Apr 10 #11
I'm surprised it was that low hueymahl Apr 10 #14
I believe that's because what we feel is cumulative as opposed to a discrete point. When I buy groceries, my natural 24601 Apr 10 #17
In your example above, a 32% price increase over 3 years would indicate higher than reported inflation in 1/3 years SpicyBoi Apr 10 #22
We all have our own benchmark items we pay attention to. For some it's milk & eggs. For others, it's a gallon of gas. 24601 Apr 10 #23
In my world it's GASOLINE and ELECTRICITY The Mouth Apr 11 #28
The economy isn't that bad if people keep buying stuff IronLionZion Apr 10 #15
Nope. Igel Apr 11 #30
Costco style bulk purchasing is very American IronLionZion Apr 11 #32
Looking at CNBC.... Turbineguy Apr 10 #16
Email 'Mistake' on Inflation Data Prompts Questions on What Is Shared mahatmakanejeeves Apr 10 #20
Laissez-Faire Marthe48 Apr 11 #26

James48

(4,438 posts)
2. The Federal Reserve needs to jack up interest rates some more.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 08:46 AM
Apr 10

Kick in another 1/2% and put a dent in inflation.

Johnny2X2X

(19,095 posts)
5. Disagree
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 09:00 AM
Apr 10

They've already knocked it way down and there's a bit of noise in these measurements. The main noise is the copmparison month last year. March of 2023 saw prices moderate, they only rose 0.1% that month, so you're comparing this year to that odd month last year that was a weird point in the trend. April of last year saw 0.4% prices month over month, so I'd expect we'll see a significant drop when this April is compared to last. The Fed's preferred measure of inflating, PCE, has less noise and was at 2.8% the last reading.

But the fed was smart to hold off for a while on rate cuts. Inflation is just a really hard thing to predict and economists are usually guessing at a few things around it. So I think June cuts are still on the table.

bucolic_frolic

(43,252 posts)
3. Fed is too weak and too late to the inflation fight, as usual, as per the 1970s
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 08:52 AM
Apr 10

Soft landing is a myth. Fed should have kept raising a year ago, but their hands are dictated by Wall Street, Big Banks, and the bond markets.

Inflation is stopped by recession, not by tinkering around the edges. Precious metals set to rocket in August. Crypto is not helping the Fed, and they have no idea what to do about a money supply they don't control that grows like seaweed.

progree

(10,911 posts)
4. Graphs: *CORE* CPI month by month and rolling 3 month average. EDIT: and regular CPI. And PCE core and regular
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 08:55 AM
Apr 10

Last edited Wed Apr 10, 2024, 07:35 PM - Edit history (3)

I'll add some words later, but for now, the CORE CPI - which the Fed and most economists view as a better basis for projecting *FUTURE* inflation than the regular CPI. (The regular CPI aka "headline" CPI has all the components; the CORE CPI is that less food and energy because they are very volatile from month to month -- well energy certainly is). Anyway, if trying to figure out what the Fed might do, the core CPI is what they look at (actually the core PCE which came out at the end of March is what they put the most weight on). Blah blah

ETA: these are calculated from the actual index values, not from the rounded percent changes
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUSR0000SA0L1E



ETA: The Regular aka Headline CPI
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUSR0000SA0



ETA: CORE PCE through February that came out 3/29/24
CORE PCE: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PCEPILFE

This is the one that the Fed weighs most heavily. The Fed weigh the PCE more heavily than the CPI. And in both cases, they weigh the CORE measures higher than the regular headline measures



ETA: Regular PCE through February that came out 3/29/24
PCE: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PCEPI


ETA: Added links to the CORE PCE and the PCE data
ETA: Added link to the regular CPI.

BumRushDaShow

(129,326 posts)
6. Thanks and good morning!
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 09:11 AM
Apr 10

I think I saw that housing/rent is driving some of that although depending on the existing stock and new starts, that might start to shift. Plus it will be interesting to see how the NAR commission thing factors in at some point with respect to housing prices.

progree

(10,911 posts)
9. I've been hearing that since about September 2022 -- a year and a half ago --
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 09:24 AM
Apr 10

that rents were coming down according to Zillow and Redfin and whatever but it hasn't shown up in the CPI yet because the CPI is a lagging indicator for that because yada. So I've kinda given up hoping and praying for that.

3 bean salad indicator -- the nearest grocery store to me has 4 (FOUR!!!!!) can widths of shelf space. The one I go to has 3 (THREE!!!!!!) can widths

BumRushDaShow

(129,326 posts)
10. They have been "predicting" although I did see articles where there are some small drops
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 09:36 AM
Apr 10
https://www.realtor.com/news/trends/rental-prices-continue-to-fall-in-2024-but-just-barely/

This was apparently due to that "construction" boom underway. Of course it would have to wait for those multifamily dwellings to actually "become available" for supply/demand to kick in!

And it must be coming up on the season for the 3-bean salad!!!!

Once I found some "starter" cans, I bought them right away and put them in my pantry.

progree

(10,911 posts)
12. It was back in September 2022 and many times I've looked at the news since all these many months
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 09:54 AM
Apr 10

that they were saying average rent prices on new leases were falling. Not predicted to fall, but actually falling. But that it hasn't shown up in the CPI's shelter index yet because of lag effects. And every time I read a CPI report, it's shelter component is the biggest reason for core CPI and sometimes CPI increases.

ETA: Clarified in above that rent prices were said to be lower on NEW leases, not overall.

BumRushDaShow

(129,326 posts)
13. AND
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:03 AM
Apr 10

It seems to have been happening in certain markets in some states but not others.

There is another interesting, but most likely longer-term thing going on and that is with all the vacant commercial/business offices that some municipalities are starting to convert to residences (often rental). That would eventually dump a whole pile of dwellings into the marketplace once they figure out a less expensive way to do those types of conversions.

And agree about "new leases" because my existing certainly didn't go down but shot up. But I did see "new" ones here are less than mine and did not go up.

Johnny2X2X

(19,095 posts)
8. Fed weighs PCE even more
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 09:20 AM
Apr 10

But core inflation weighs into it too.

But as always, you cannot talk inflation without also talking wage growth. Wae growth was over 4% year over year last month, so people are still getting ahead right now.

progree

(10,911 posts)
18. I added PCE and Core PCE to my assemblage of graphs in my #4 above
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 11:17 AM
Apr 10
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143223421#post4

so they can be more easily compared to each other. So I have:

Core CPI
Regular aka headline CPI

Core PCE
Regular aka headline PCE.

It's my understanding that the Fed weighs the PCE more heavily that the CPI
And, in both cases weighs the Core measures more heavily than the regular measures as a baseline for predicting FUTURE inflation.

So of the four graphs, the Core PCE is the one to concentrate most on in predicting what the Fed is going to do. Although it's nearly 2 weeks older than today's CPI reports.

And thanks for pointing out that wages have been more than keeping up. There's been a very slight dip in the real (i.e. inflation-adjusted) average hourly earnings of production and non-supervisory workers in the last 2 months, but as you often mention, its well above pre-pandemic levels (and, edited to add, year ago levels).
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000032

ETA: Real average hourly earnings of all private sector workers: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000013

My bond funds have been slaughtered (down 22% in purchasing power) as well as the purchasing power of my annuity, Sigh, looking at last 3 years. So I'm dismayed that interest rates are likely to be higher for longer than people were thinking a month or two ago (which will keep bond prices from recovering). Fortunately stocks, as represented by the Vanguard 500 Index Fund VFIAX is up 12.9% in purchasing power over the same 3 year period.

Igel

(35,337 posts)
29. On average.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 07:30 PM
Apr 11

Due to two things.

States where minimum wage is force-increased for political reasons.

And some higher-earning jobs.

Any "average" without skewness, standard deviation, and kurtosis isn't worth the toilet paper needed to wipe it off the wall.

Esp. when the "average" is just struggling to recoup prior overtaking by higher inflation.

The rest is agitprop.

Johnny2X2X

(19,095 posts)
31. Actually
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 07:47 PM
Apr 11

The people at the low end of the wage scale have seen the biggest raises. The lowest wage workers saw wage growth in excess of inflation throughout, even when inflation was 9%, wage growth was 12% for low wage earners.

Basically people making $12 and $13 an hour got jobs making $17 and $18 an hour.

The Mouth

(3,162 posts)
19. Well, any such thing should DAMNED well include energy
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 01:58 PM
Apr 10

Here in California -with a Democratic supermajority and a PUC beholden to Newsome and his predecessor - our energy costs have SKYROCKETED.

Not including energy is just bullshit, completely negating any concomitant data or conclusions.

progree

(10,911 posts)
21. I'm showing graphs in #4 that include food and energy (the regular headline numbers) and the ones without it (core)
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 03:52 PM
Apr 10

So people can take their pick. Both unfortunately show a considerable upturn in inflation in 2024 so far (with the core number showing a rise since August 2023)

On a 12 months basis the core CPI (without energy and food) is up 3.8%, while the CPI is up 3.5%.

The latest 3 month average increase for the core CPI is 4.5% while for the CPI it is 4.6% (both numbers annualized). ETA: And the increase in March was the same 0.4% for both measures (actual not annualized).

Anyway, neither the Fed nor any economists that I've ever heard of say that the core is the better indicator for past or present inflation. Our living standards are much better reflected by the regular one than the core one (the core measure is irrelevant for that purpose).

What they are saying that as a basis for projecting FUTURE inflation, the core is the better measure to use for that. I agree with them and you don't and that's fine. People are free to assume that because energy (which bounces wildly up and down and up and down and -- since mid-December -- sharply up) is going to keep increasing at this rate indefinitely. I'm free to assume that too, but I don't.

If there was a way to forecast energy prices into the future -- that has a reasonably good track record -- then the Fed should be using that and including it. But apparently there isn't one that I've heard of.

Anyway, whether we like it or not, valid or not, the Fed adjusts interest rates based on projections based on core inflation. As an investor concerned about interest rates, I have to live with that reality.

I wish I had a 12 month graph on energy or oil prices handy, to match my 12 month graphs on inflation, but I don't. I have this 6 month graph -- that is posted every market day in Stock Market Watch in the Economy Group -- example: https://www.democraticunderground.com/111697799


The Mouth

(3,162 posts)
24. Thanks
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 09:57 AM
Apr 11

Great info, by the way.

Inflation is the cruelest tax of all. It hits the poorest the hardest; no one with a soul can countenance anything over a couple of percent and call themselves any more empathic than the worst MAGAT, regardless of the cause or eventual benefit.

progree

(10,911 posts)
25. And thank you. I hate inflation too -- I was a young adult in the late 70's early 80's great inflation
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 12:20 PM
Apr 11

and it was downright scary. We never knew what would happen next.

The Mouth

(3,162 posts)
27. I watched it wipe out my family's savings and future
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 02:42 PM
Apr 11

Dad was disabled but had some funds saved (I was born in 1961). It completely wiped out the 'college fund' and mostly wiped out our chances of ever getting ahead.

Personally, any time or for any reason it goes over 2 percent, I wish that *EVERY* twat in Washington DC had their salaries completely eliminated, were prevented from running for reelection, and were restricted to 500 calories per day. Yeah, Trump is a dangerous POS, but neither the California Democratic party or most of the Democrats in DC give a shit, as witnessed by the actions (or rather lack thereof) either side takes when they have the Presidency and both houses

Personally, it's the number one issue. Yeah, I care about Ukraine, racial equity, climate change, but anyone who doesn't regard inflation as a bigger and more urgent issue can drop dead as far as I care; the only thing that could be more urgent and dangerous would be an incoming nuclear attack.

Just a grumpy .02 I'll support progressive causes, but anyone who doesn't regard Inflation as being as dangerous as any nuclear meltdown or chemical spill can FOAD.

moniss

(4,274 posts)
7. The business media and the GQP want us to crap our pants
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 09:14 AM
Apr 10

and blame the Democrats because prices from February 2024 to March 2024 rose an "estimated" .4% and they are doing the Chicken Little routine because they had "estimated" it would be about .1% lower than that. No mention of the fact that these "estimates" are usually revised as more data comes in. But I'm sure we will see an interview in a cafe in Iowa where some person is horrified because his most recent $10 dollar purchase will cost him perhaps 4 pennies more. Oh the calamity!!

24601

(3,962 posts)
17. I believe that's because what we feel is cumulative as opposed to a discrete point. When I buy groceries, my natural
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:34 AM
Apr 10

inclination is to compare prices over several years. For example, three years ago, a 14.5 oz can of green beans at Publix was $0.89. When I see the same can today at $1.18 (a 32% increase), whether it was $1.19 or $1.17 yesterday is largely irrelevant. For context, the green beans represent a constantly reinforced benchmark price for us because our dog eats 1/2 can of green beans per day in addition to a half cup of dry kibble.

I'd expect that most consumers look at a small number of benchmark items to reinforce their view of the economy. While we look at green beans, far more are likely to look at gasoline ppg. Rationalizing that demand for gas in Jan 2021 always registers as secondary compared to the price increase.

SpicyBoi

(162 posts)
22. In your example above, a 32% price increase over 3 years would indicate higher than reported inflation in 1/3 years
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 03:57 PM
Apr 10

24601

(3,962 posts)
23. We all have our own benchmark items we pay attention to. For some it's milk & eggs. For others, it's a gallon of gas.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 06:40 PM
Apr 10

For us, it's that 14.5 oz can of Green Beans. The math isn't complicated.

1/20/2024 1.18
1/20/2021 0.89
Difference 0.29

% increase = 0.29/0.89 =0.3258427
= 32.58%

Divide that by 3, and the average annual increase over 3 years is 10.8%

The Mouth

(3,162 posts)
28. In my world it's GASOLINE and ELECTRICITY
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 02:45 PM
Apr 11

Both are too damned expensive. Both are as much the fault of the fuckwits in Sacramento as the MAGAts.

We need cheap gas and diesel and dirt cheap electric power, anyone against those is no friend of the working class.

IronLionZion

(45,494 posts)
15. The economy isn't that bad if people keep buying stuff
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:15 AM
Apr 10

people like stuff. Demand is high. Supply is limited. And "nobody wants to work anymore" beats "they're stealing our jobs" any day. I was in a crowded bar on Saturday with exactly one bartender and one busboy for the whole place. This is always better for me than being told to leave America during the great recession.

I've been trying to avoid buying things I don't need. It's a great time to be saving money to earn interest.

I believe interest rates should stay unchanged while the Fed continues quantitative tightening.

Igel

(35,337 posts)
30. Nope.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 07:39 PM
Apr 11

I've invested in the future. I suspected inflation was here to stay.

I have TP, paper towels, shampoo, tooth paste, food for probably two years. Not a prepper, but you know, in two years when I need that chicken or TP or cat food it'll cost significantly more. I buy it in 2024 dollars and when it "appreciates" 7 percent in 2 years, I've effectively earned 7% interest on my "investment."

I was in HS in the mid-late '70s. In inflationary times, having stuff is far better than having cash.

Having fixed-interest debt is good and if the interest is less than annual inflation it's better to avoid paying down the debt and buy stuff.

Note that the old debt issued by Treasury is also declining in value. Those who bought it are screwed. But since a lot of Treasury bills are short-term, if the interest rate drops that screws the federal government.

Sorry, my HS-grad father and HS-drop out mother taught me a few things when I was in high school. (Now what they taught me is taught in high school ... Apparently their parents are less informed or engaged than my uber-educated parents.)

IronLionZion

(45,494 posts)
32. Costco style bulk purchasing is very American
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 07:59 PM
Apr 11

some foods would go bad. Keep an eye on expiration dates.

Consumer demand is a big driver for prices. People buying more than they need raises prices. There was a lot of hoarding during COVID.

Turbineguy

(37,361 posts)
16. Looking at CNBC....
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:18 AM
Apr 10

The guy from the Heritage Foundation had a picture of a battleship and a small statue of Pieta in the background for dissonance and a Russian flag in his jacket breast pocket.

Nice going dude!

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,570 posts)
20. Email 'Mistake' on Inflation Data Prompts Questions on What Is Shared
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 03:07 PM
Apr 10

The story came out three weeks ago.

Wed Apr 10, 2024: The Dept of Labor needs to answer for this:

Hat tip, TheProle

BREAKING: 🇺🇸 Key inflation data was leaked to BlackRock and JP Morgan by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, allowing their traders to make market moving bets - Bloomberg and NYT



Email ‘Mistake’ on Inflation Data Prompts Questions on What Is Shared

Traders are closely watching once-obscure economic data, prompting more scrutiny of how widely the government distributes the information.

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Housing prices are being closely watched by traders of securities tied to inflation or interest rates. Josh Huskin for The New York Times

By Ben Casselman and Jeanna Smialek
March 19, 2024

One afternoon in late February, an employee at the Bureau of Labor Statistics sent an email about an obscure detail in the way the government calculates inflation — and set off an unlikely firestorm. ... Economists on Wall Street had spent two weeks puzzling over an unexpected jump in housing costs in the Consumer Price Index. Several had contacted the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which produces the numbers, to inquire. Now, an economist inside the bureau thought he had solved the mystery.

In an email addressed to “Super Users,” the economist explained a technical change in the calculation of the housing figures. Then, departing from the bureaucratic language typically used by statistical agencies, he added, “All of you searching for the source of the divergence have found it.”

To the inflation obsessives who received the email — and other forecasters who quickly heard about it — the implication was clear: The pop in housing prices in January might have been not a fluke but rather a result of a shift in methodology that could keep inflation elevated longer than economists and Federal Reserve officials had expected. That could, in turn, make the Fed more cautious about cutting interest rates.

“I nearly fell off my chair when I saw that,” said Ian Shepherdson, chief economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics, a forecasting firm. ... Huge swaths of Wall Street trade securities are tied to inflation or rates. But the universe of people receiving the email was tiny — about 50 people, the Bureau of Labor Statistics later said. ... In the minutes after it came out, analysts at investment banks, hedge funds and other asset managers scrambled to get a copy and to figure out how to trade on it.

{snip}

Marthe48

(17,005 posts)
26. Laissez-Faire
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 12:37 PM
Apr 11

The government takes a hands-off approach that corporations take full advantage of however they can. I can't help thinking that rwnj ceos are adding to inflation to make President Biden look bad. Because no matter if the roots of the problems are from previous administrations, the current administrations gets the blame. Because magats think the world began this morning.

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