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BumRushDaShow

(129,162 posts)
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 05:46 AM Apr 16

Trump says $175 million bond is financially secure, asks judge to reject New York attorney general's challenge

Source: CNN Politics

Published 12:10 AM EDT, Tue April 16, 2024


CNN — Lawyers for former President Donald Trump said his $175 million bond posted to satisfy the judgement in the New York civil fraud case is financially sound, and they asked the judge to set aside the attorney general’s challenge to the bond and award him costs and fees.

In court filings Monday night, Trump said the bond secured by Knight Specialty Insurance Company is backed by Trump’s Charles Schwab account with more than $175 million in cash. Knight Specialty can take control of the Schwab account and is fully backed by its parent company to assume any risk, one of Trump’s filings said.

“The DJT Trust granted KSIC a security interest in a Schwab brokerage account, in which the DJT Trust is obligated to maintain no less than $175 million in cash or cash equivalents at all times,” according to an affirmation filed in support of the bond by Gregory Serio, a former superintendent of insurance for New York state and partner of Park Strategies, a government consulting firm.

“KSIC also has a standing agreement with its parent company, Knight Insurance Company, Ltd. (‘KIC’), by which KIC reinsures 100% of KSIC’s risk,” the affirmation said. “The $175 million bond at issue is adequately secured.”

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/15/politics/trump-civil-fraud-case-bond-financially-secure/index.html

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Trump says $175 million bond is financially secure, asks judge to reject New York attorney general's challenge (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Apr 16 OP
"Trump says" Laf.La.Dem. Apr 16 #1
"President Trump says it; I believe it. And that settles it!" LastLiberal in PalmSprings Apr 16 #3
There is no president trump. That ship has sailed many years ago Traurigkeit Apr 16 #18
I know it. You know it. MAGAts refuse to acknowledge reality. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Apr 17 #22
Then why are The U.S. based news/press not doing so? It should be -Mister ..... Traurigkeit Apr 17 #25
Any lawyers here want to tell us if it's more likely true or is Trump probably lying again? cstanleytech Apr 16 #2
Are his lips moving? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Apr 17 #23
When TSF's lips are moving , it is lying. Traurigkeit Apr 17 #26
Sounding this out... NJCher Apr 16 #4
I feel like this is what all the paperwork was for. bullimiami Apr 16 #5
Standard Trump BS. The analysis of KSIC is that it's a hollow shell propped up by another shell, hidden behind Cayman Ford_Prefect Apr 16 #6
No more time extensions! Put up or lose! Yes, from my readings, it appears that KSIC doesn't meet even the lowest... machoneman Apr 16 #8
Sounds typical of anything Trump PatSeg Apr 16 #10
One Huge Problem... GB_RN Apr 16 #16
"Obligated to maintain" the money in his account. Irish_Dem Apr 16 #7
Exactly and then moniss Apr 16 #11
Yep that is the Trump plan. Irish_Dem Apr 16 #13
Besides his maga zombies, who'd be stupid enough to take him at his word? Blue Owl Apr 16 #9
I'd like to know what "financially secure" means to a liar like him FakeNoose Apr 16 #12
Doesn't pass "my smell test" because if Trump had more than a $175 million in an account then why didn't he use that ... Botany Apr 16 #14
I think your question answers itself. onenote Apr 16 #15
TSF thinks his word is worth anything, his word is worthless Traurigkeit Apr 16 #17
With trumps track record for lying, take this with a grain of salt. republianmushroom Apr 16 #19
🤔💡How about a whole salt shaker.👍 electric_blue68 Apr 18 #38
Meidas Touch said EndlessWire Apr 16 #20
If he has the money, why would he pay a security company to provide the money? Novara Apr 16 #21
You can't get a surety without collateral. Lots of people get sureties. Are they stupid or fraudsters? onenote Apr 17 #28
You can if the Surety company is corrupt. Think. Again. Apr 17 #30
I thought the point of the post I was responding to was that Trump had the cash and didn't need a bond. onenote Apr 17 #31
My apologies... Think. Again. Apr 17 #33
trumps lawyers have a habit of lying like trump. republianmushroom Apr 17 #24
"Trust me, I'm good for it" doesn't have convincing power coming from someone convicted of MASSIVE FINANCIAL FRAUD Novara Apr 17 #27
Show the Schwab and Knight Ins Co. papers... Think. Again. Apr 17 #29
They are available here: onenote Apr 17 #32
Is it true that is the same $175m account that is guaranteeing... Think. Again. Apr 17 #34
The explanation that has been offered: onenote Apr 17 #35
Well, since this is a bond for a major fraud case... Think. Again. Apr 17 #36
Seems more like negligence than a mistake.... NowsTheTime Apr 17 #37
3. "President Trump says it; I believe it. And that settles it!"
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 07:08 AM
Apr 16

MAGA 1:1 God Bless the USA Bible, DJT Version (Amazon. $20 soft cover)

22. I know it. You know it. MAGAts refuse to acknowledge reality.
Wed Apr 17, 2024, 10:44 AM
Apr 17

My OP post should have started with

The quote is based on one I saw on a bumper sticker, except it began, "The Bible says it..."

I'm loving how the judges are referring to TFG as "Mr. Trump," no matter how many times his lawyers say otherwise.

NJCher

(35,689 posts)
4. Sounding this out...
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 07:16 AM
Apr 16

There is no more info at the link.

I don’t see why it has to be set up this way, which would require constant monitoring on the part of the state. Why should the government be put in that position?

It seems to me that whether this setup works or not is then dependent on people in the system—Schwab’s system and within the monitor’s system. We all know that those people can be pressured, at least within Schwab. I think it’s asking too much of the monitor’s office.

I’m not an expert in high finance but it appears he does not want to have to liquidate his holdings, but for the purpose of functionality, that would be best. It seems like he is holding his appeal as leverage in order to do this.

I can see why people in the government would try to be fair under those circumstances (that he might win his appeal).If I am correct, then he is exacting enormous pressure on all concerned in this matter. I would hate to be in their position (s).

On edit: re the last paragraph, it sounds like a house of cards. One entity of a company insuring another. It seems to be spreading responsibility around.

Ford_Prefect

(7,905 posts)
6. Standard Trump BS. The analysis of KSIC is that it's a hollow shell propped up by another shell, hidden behind Cayman
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 08:12 AM
Apr 16

banking law. There is as yet no legal determination that KSIC meets the NY requirements. It seems that it probably will not. But as said elsewhere this will take more time to resolve.
What I wonder about is whether, when KSIC is found lacking sufficient cash as I believe to be the case, Trump will then be granted an extension to secure a different source for the bond?

machoneman

(4,007 posts)
8. No more time extensions! Put up or lose! Yes, from my readings, it appears that KSIC doesn't meet even the lowest...
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 09:09 AM
Apr 16

...threshold of meeting NYS's bonding requirements. It also appears to me he and his lawyers spent a lot of time crafting the bond to give him maximum flexibility to, as usual, weasel out of paying let alone meeting the State's requirements. Once it's finally quashed, watch for a fast motion to go back to a 30 day window to secure funds elsewhere.

p.s. No wonder he's burning through so much cash paying his lawyers to game the system.

PatSeg

(47,520 posts)
10. Sounds typical of anything Trump
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 09:19 AM
Apr 16

Nothing is ever as it appears to be and in this case, it is more obvious than usual.

Yes, I also wonder how the courts will handle it when it is discovered with certainty that there is insufficient cash to guarantee the bond.

GB_RN

(2,357 posts)
16. One Huge Problem...
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 12:49 PM
Apr 16

Is that KSIC isn’t even licensed to do business in New York. That alone could sink the bogus bond. Never mind the fact that the parent company is hiding behind banking laws in the Caymans. If tRump were to flop in his appeal, Tish James - and by extension, the state of New York - would find it next to impossible to collect. At least, that’s my understanding.

Irish_Dem

(47,147 posts)
7. "Obligated to maintain" the money in his account.
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 08:55 AM
Apr 16

Sure, who will stop him from turning around tomorrow and just withdrawing all the money in
his account and sticking it to Knight Insurance?

Is someone going to monitor the account day and night?

And if he takes out the money and hides it, what can the court do?

moniss

(4,266 posts)
11. Exactly and then
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 09:29 AM
Apr 16

of course we would also see the spectacle of trying to collect on a bond, aka paper promise, that the issuer will claim it is no longer able to make good on and we find out what promises on paper are really worth.

Botany

(70,524 posts)
14. Doesn't pass "my smell test" because if Trump had more than a $175 million in an account then why didn't he use that ...
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 11:40 AM
Apr 16

.. money to pay the bond?

Trump lies about everything.

onenote

(42,715 posts)
15. I think your question answers itself.
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 12:26 PM
Apr 16

Your question suggests that if you have the money you don't need to get a bond. But if you don't have the money to collateralize a bond, you can't get a bond. Yet lots and lots of litigant who have the funds opt to get bonds rather than put up their funds directly. One reason is that the courts greatly prefer a bond. Otherwise the court would have to handle the paperwork of setting up an interest-bearing account that would hold the money for the duration of any appeals.

EndlessWire

(6,538 posts)
20. Meidas Touch said
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 03:01 PM
Apr 16

yesterday that the paper showing the Schwab account signatures was already used in the EJ Carroll case. This is fishy beyond belief, and I think the judge should reject the bond justification.

Novara

(5,844 posts)
21. If he has the money, why would he pay a security company to provide the money?
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 03:25 PM
Apr 16

This is fishy as hell, and will probably end up being yet another fraud he committed.

They need to file additional fraud charges and reinstate the original judgment.

onenote

(42,715 posts)
28. You can't get a surety without collateral. Lots of people get sureties. Are they stupid or fraudsters?
Wed Apr 17, 2024, 02:37 PM
Apr 17


There are several reasons why getting a bond is the preferred way of securing one's assets during the pendency of an appeal. Courts don't like having to be the escrow agent for millions of dollars -- they're not set up for it. And the surety company pays interest on the collateral, whereas it's not clear the court would.

It seems as if folks are still having trouble understanding the entire supersedeas bond process.

onenote

(42,715 posts)
31. I thought the point of the post I was responding to was that Trump had the cash and didn't need a bond.
Wed Apr 17, 2024, 03:13 PM
Apr 17

You seem to be addressing a different point..

Think. Again.

(8,199 posts)
33. My apologies...
Wed Apr 17, 2024, 03:30 PM
Apr 17

I was replying directly to your statement that "You can't get a surety without collateral."

Novara

(5,844 posts)
27. "Trust me, I'm good for it" doesn't have convincing power coming from someone convicted of MASSIVE FINANCIAL FRAUD
Wed Apr 17, 2024, 01:05 PM
Apr 17

Think. Again.

(8,199 posts)
34. Is it true that is the same $175m account that is guaranteeing...
Wed Apr 17, 2024, 03:33 PM
Apr 17

....the E. Jean Carrol bond?

(That's a rumor I heard).

onenote

(42,715 posts)
35. The explanation that has been offered:
Wed Apr 17, 2024, 03:48 PM
Apr 17

A document that was used for the Carroll bond was used as a template for a similar document in the fraud case bond and the reference to the Carroll case was inadvertently left in the document. Is that true? Don't know. Is it believable? Yes, give that I've seen similar mistakes made by far better lawyers that the ones involved here.

Think. Again.

(8,199 posts)
36. Well, since this is a bond for a major fraud case...
Wed Apr 17, 2024, 03:52 PM
Apr 17

...I'm sure no one would mind if all that was very carefully verified.

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