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(9,311 posts) Tue Apr 23, 2024, 11:03 AM Apr 23

Judge tells Trump lawyer he's 'losing all credibility with the court'

Source: The Guardian

Things are not going well for Donald Trump as his lawyer, Todd Blanche, continues to make the claim that re-posting doesn’t violate the gag order.

Judge Merchan said:

Mr Blanche you’re losing all credibility, I have to tell you right now … You’re losing all credibility with the court. Is there any other argument you want to make?

Merchan is reserving decision on the prosecution’s contempt request.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/apr/23/trump-hush-money-trial-new-york-updates

Trump lawyer Todd Blanche is saying that seven of the alleged 10 gag order violations are not, because they’re just re-posts.

“It’s not making a mockery of the gag order, your honor – it’s a close call,” Blanche said. "Re-posting an article from a news site or a news program … we don’t believe are a violation of the gag order."

Judge Juan Merchan asked whether there’s any case law on that.

I don’t have any case laws, your honor, it’s just common sense.

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Judge tells Trump lawyer he's 'losing all credibility with the court' (Original Post) speak easy Apr 23 OP

"Merchan is reserving decision on the prosecution's contempt request." We all have wait riversedge Apr 23 #1

Trump lawyer Blanche is saying that seven of the alleged 10 gag order violations are not, because they're just re-posts. riversedge Apr 23 #2

Added to the OP. Thanks. speak easy Apr 23 #3

Smart Bayard Apr 23 #10

Is he an idiot or just a slimy weasel? ShazzieB Apr 23 #13

Probably doing his very best to help his weasel client - that's what attorneys are supposed to do. TBF Apr 23 #14

Anything Trump reposts tells his millions of followers Kablooie Apr 23 #21

Prosecutor Conroy has just said that prosecutors are not seeking jail time for Trump's violations of the gag order riversedge Apr 23 #4

He wouldn't pay it. His cult members would, either outright or via another "fundraising" grift. PSPS Apr 23 #23

Right after this exchange, the judge took a break Miguelito Loveless Apr 23 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author AllaN01Bear Apr 23 #6

hear hear. agreee AllaN01Bear Apr 23 #7

It's too bad that the judge cannot rely on medieval precedent AdamGG Apr 23 #16

Was that still on the books in 1864? KS Toronado Apr 23 #20

"It's not another attempted murder because I used the same knife again." Orrex Apr 23 #8

It wasn't my idea to rob the bank, I just read about it online. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #9

Still no consequences for Trump. Kablooie Apr 23 #11

Don't be so hard on this judge. EndlessWire Apr 23 #12

You're right. The judge has to rule by the book. Kablooie Apr 23 #18

The DA is the one who chose not to seek incarceration.And the amount of the fine is limited by statute. onenote Apr 23 #17

Here's an interesting take from DUer Hugin explaining why the judge may be avoiding harsher punishment. TheRickles Apr 23 #15

Losing all credibility? edbermac Apr 23 #19

"Merchan is reserving decision" means cowering in the corner, trembling with fear of trump. PSPS Apr 23 #22

$1000 per violation barely qualifies as pocket change to TSF. At least the fine should double every time. 0rganism Apr 23 #24

riversedge

(70,305 posts)

1. "Merchan is reserving decision on the prosecution's contempt request." We all have wait

Reply to speak easy (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 11:13 AM

Apr 23

some more. Including Trump!!

riversedge

(70,305 posts)

2. Trump lawyer Blanche is saying that seven of the alleged 10 gag order violations are not, because they're just re-posts.

Reply to speak easy (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 11:17 AM

Apr 23

what an idiot

35m ago10.39 EDT
Victoria Bekiempis

Trump lawyer Todd Blanche is saying that seven of the alleged 10 gag order violations are not, because they’re just re-posts.

“It’s not making a mockery of the gag order, your honor – it’s a close call,” Blanche said.

Re-posting an article from a news site or a news program … we don’t believe are a violation of the gag order.

Judge Juan Merchan asked whether there’s any case law on that.

I don’t have any case laws, your honor, it’s just common sense.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/apr/23/trump-hush-money-trial-new-york-updates?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-6627c7bf8f0839cf006b0f60#block-6627c7bf8f0839cf006b0f60

speak easy

(9,311 posts)

3. Added to the OP. Thanks.

Reply to riversedge (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 11:21 AM

Apr 23

Bayard

(22,154 posts)

10. Smart

Reply to riversedge (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 11:49 AM

Apr 23

Telling the judge he doesn't have any common sense.

ShazzieB

(16,525 posts)

13. Is he an idiot or just a slimy weasel?

Reply to riversedge (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 12:22 PM

Apr 23

Last edited Tue Apr 23, 2024, 03:33 PM - Edit history (1)

Does he really believe that TSF didn't violate the gag order with the reports, or was he just throwing stuff at the wall to see if anything sticks? I can't help wondering.

TBF

(32,098 posts)

14. Probably doing his very best to help his weasel client - that's what attorneys are supposed to do.

Reply to ShazzieB (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 12:26 PM

Apr 23

Can you imagine being Trump's attorney and trying to put a positive spin on all the crap he does?

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)

21. Anything Trump reposts tells his millions of followers

Reply to riversedge (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 02:06 PM

Apr 23

This is what he believes, therefore he is stating his view.
Its just common sense.

riversedge

(70,305 posts)

4. Prosecutor Conroy has just said that prosecutors are not seeking jail time for Trump's violations of the gag order

Reply to speak easy (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 11:21 AM

Apr 23

Even if trump gets the max fine it would only be $10,000
That is pocket change. damn

1h ago10.12 EDT
Victoria Bekiempis
Victoria Bekiempis

Prosecutor Christopher Conroy has just said that prosecutors are not seeking jail time for Trump’s violations of the gag order.

We are not yet seeking incarceratory penalty. Defendant seems to be angling for that … We are asking the court to impose the maximum $1,000 fine for each violation.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/apr/23/trump-hush-money-trial-new-york-updates?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-6627c1798f08f2c42148273c#block-6627c1798f08f2c42148273c

PSPS

(13,614 posts)

23. He wouldn't pay it. His cult members would, either outright or via another "fundraising" grift.

Reply to riversedge (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 05:05 PM

Apr 23

Miguelito Loveless

(4,474 posts)

5. Right after this exchange, the judge took a break

Reply to speak easy (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 11:27 AM

Apr 23

and Trump immediately attacked the judge online, demanding him to recuse himself.

Anyone of us would be in a jail cell LONG before this point. I begin to think our criminal justice system in institutionally incapable of punishing the rich/powerful. They just don't want to set a precedent that the rich are subject to the law as the rest of us proles.

Response to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #5)

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AllaN01Bear

(18,423 posts)

7. hear hear. agreee

Reply to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 11:28 AM

Apr 23

AdamGG

(1,295 posts)

16. It's too bad that the judge cannot rely on medieval precedent

Reply to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 12:33 PM

Apr 23

Removing Trump's tongue and fingers could resolve a lot of issues.

KS Toronado

(17,326 posts)

20. Was that still on the books in 1864?

Reply to AdamGG (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 01:16 PM

Apr 23

Orrex

(63,224 posts)

8. "It's not another attempted murder because I used the same knife again."

Reply to speak easy (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 11:42 AM

Apr 23

Irish_Dem

(47,423 posts)

9. It wasn't my idea to rob the bank, I just read about it online.

Reply to speak easy (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 11:48 AM

Apr 23

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)

11. Still no consequences for Trump.

Reply to speak easy (Original post)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 11:50 AM

Apr 23

$10000 is not a consequence.
He is still being allowed to run roughshod over the legal system with no consequences.
This judge is big on warnings and impotent on punishments, as are all of them.
If he’s found guilty he will be given a few months probation at worst.
Our justice system is useless regarding Trump.

EndlessWire

(6,569 posts)

12. Don't be so hard on this judge.

Reply to Kablooie (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 12:08 PM

Apr 23

He is the Judge. He has a responsibility to see that all the legalities are carried out without mishap. This defendant knows how to manipulate the system, and has lawyers who have surrendered their autonomy and are just letting Trump tell them how to proceed.

Jeopardy has attached. The Judge probably would like to take Trump out back and just shoot him. This Judge has a body with nerves, emotions, and reacts to stress the same as everyone does. But, he can't let anything pull him off center just so Trump can yell, "New Trial" to the Appellates, or worse.

He's going to levy a fine. That's what he is thinking about. He knows that no matter what amount he levies, Trump will appeal. So, maybe...

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)

18. You're right. The judge has to rule by the book.

Reply to EndlessWire (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 12:55 PM

Apr 23

Or Trump would be able to screw up the whole case.

It’s the system that needs work.
There should be some serious way to control him but there isn’t.
The problem is that the case could possibly be compromised as a result.

Now that Trumps tactics are so public, other wealthy assholes may emulate him. There should be some discussion about the system in legal circles to see if there could be changes made to handle cases like this.

onenote

(42,767 posts)

17. The DA is the one who chose not to seek incarceration.And the amount of the fine is limited by statute.

Reply to Kablooie (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 12:52 PM

Apr 23

So do you think the DA -- who is the one who chose to bring this case -- a case that may experts think is aggressive insofar as it seeks to establish that Trump committed a felony -- is allowing Trump to run roughshod over the legal system with no consequences?