Libya fighting: Four die in Gaddafi loyalists clash
Four people have died in clashes between Libyan government forces and supporters of ex-leader Muammar Gaddafi in Bani Walid, south-east of Tripoli.
Pro-Gaddafi forces "control the town now," one member of a militia loyal to the ruling National Transitional Council (NTC) told Reuters.
The clashes erupted after militiamen allied to the NTC detained armed supporters of Col Gaddafi.
Bani Walid was one of the last pro-Gaddafi towns to fall in the conflict.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16690010
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)I used to read daily on DU that none of the Libyan people liked Gaddafi's government and yearned to be free. There's no way that the US and NATO would support one side in a civil war for their own capitalist interests, is there? No... I just can't believe it.
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)...or a desire to spin and propagandize. It would require a MASSIVE lack of understanding to fail to grasp something as simple as the fact that if even 1% of the public supported/loved Ghaddafi--not coincidentally, probably the part of the public that enjoyed wealth and power as a result of his regime--there's obviously going to be some people left who still do. There are still people in the US who love and support Dick Cheney. Does that negate the fact that those people are outnumbered ten to one by the people who hate or fear him?
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)Would it have been ok for foreign governments to bomb the US because most of the population hates Cheney?
As you point out, some people did better under Gaddafi than they will now. As you've pointed that out, can you not also see that the "revolutionaries" were backed by those who had lost money, power, and influence under a socialist government? A coalition of business, royalists, and islamists, backed by the US and NATO overthrew a government which obviously had wide support (if it hadn't, there would have been no need for foreign intervention; example: Egypt) in order to advance their own agenda, not because of some bullshit reason like "freedom"; that's a fucking Bush-ism.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)They're not "begging for a return to Gaddafi's government."
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)Who wouldn't want to be represented by a government put into place by racists and murderers with help from foreign militaries and islamists?
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Fool Count
(1,230 posts)David__77
(23,418 posts)Forces loyal to Libya's late leader Moammar Gadhafi launched a series of attacks on Monday across several cities, killing seven fighters who helped topple the former regime, officials and residents said.
The violence comes as Libya's new leaders struggle to stamp out lingering resistance from pro-Gadhafi forces and try to unify a deeply fractured country after eight months of civil war and more than 40 years of authoritarian rule.
The attacks were spread out and took place in the western city of Bani Walid, the capital Tripoli and the eastern city of Benghazi, the city where the uprising against Gadhafi started nearly a year ago. It is not clear if the attacks were coordinated.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/libya-gadhafi-loyalists-revolutionaries-clash-15420678
I think this is hyped and that it is unlikely that it is "Gaddafi loyalists." The faction being attacked will claim that to try to rally support from elsewhere.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)...it is not often mentioned in the media is that many people supported the Gaddafi government. Like basically everywhere except Benghazi and Tobruk. Tripoli was largely for him. Blacks were largely for him.
Just because he is dead doesn't mean his supporters are. He came to power by overthrowing a king who was also corrupt. Despite his failings, people remember that. And once again the current government is unelected.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)See, in that, The Libyans killed Doc Brown. Not only that, but they killed him to get plutonium to make a bomb. Both of those things are bad.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Amonester
(11,541 posts)?
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)A bullet-scarred barracks, scorched and abandoned like the ageing tanks guarding its shattered gateway, was all that remained on Tuesday of what passed for the Libyan government's grip on Bani Walid.
But a day after townsmen put to flight a force loyal to the Western-backed interim administration in Tripoli, elders in the desert city, once a bastion of support for Muammar Gaddafi, dismissed accusations they wanted to restore the late dictator's family to power or had any ambitions beyond their local area.
"Allegations of pro-Gaddafi elements in Bani Walid, this is not true," said Miftah Jubarra, who was among dozens of leading citizens gathered at a local mosque to form a municipal council now that nominal representatives from the capital have fled.
"In the Libyan revolution, we have all become brothers," Jubarra told Reuters. "We will not be an obstacle to progress."
This is to be expected. I'm frankly shocked that more of these kinds of events have not happened.
Fool Count
(1,230 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)What forces do you expect to do so?
Fool Count
(1,230 posts)Getting screwed over by the corrupt puppet government and being terrorized in their own towns
by self-appointed militias full of violent criminal outsiders constantly high on hash just won't go down so well
with people used to peaceful comfortable lives. Call me crazy, but there is only so much of that
"revolution" any reasonable people would take before doing some "rebelling" of their own.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)I don't buy your characterizations of the Libyan people, however. I think there are a few hot heads and they won't be able to persevere.
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