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cal04

(41,505 posts)
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:18 AM Dec 2012

No progress in "fiscal cliff" talks as new poll hits Republicans

Last edited Thu Dec 13, 2012, 08:48 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: Reuters

Sharp differences remained on Wednesday between congressional Republicans and the White House in talks to avert the "fiscal cliff" of steep tax hikes and budget cuts, and negotiators warned the showdown could drag on past Christmas.

A Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll released late on Wednesday, however, held the potential to shake up the stalemate. Three-quarters of those surveyed, including 61 percent of Republicans, said they would accept raising taxes on the wealthy to avoid the so-called cliff, as Democratic President Barack Obama is demanding.

With Republicans in Congress already divided, that rejection by their own supporters of the core demand of Republican House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner could further weaken his position.

Both sides refused to give any ground in public, one day after what Boehner described as a "frank" conversation with President Barack Obama about the remaining hurdles to a deal.



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Poll: Strike a Cliff Deal Now
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324296604578175613828863492.html

Poll: Nearly 60 Percent Of Republicans Want GOP To Compromise In Fiscal Cliff Deal
Fifty-nine percent of Republicans want GOP leaders in the House and Senate to compromise to reach a deal to avert the fiscal cliff, according to a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll released Wednesday. In April, just 38 percent backed such a compromise

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/poll-nearly-60-percent-of-republicans-want-gop
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No progress in "fiscal cliff" talks as new poll hits Republicans (Original Post) cal04 Dec 2012 OP
I would like to hit those RepubliCONS with some POLES. fasttense Dec 2012 #1
you would think the recent losses to Obama demwing Dec 2012 #4
and yes I get the pole pun :) demwing Dec 2012 #8
Most of the Poles I know Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #14
My own advice on this matter is... Ferretherder Dec 2012 #2
+1, with a cringe... dchill Dec 2012 #5
I truly shudder to think... dchill Dec 2012 #3
NBC Nightly Nooz was spinning this as "70% of (D)s want the (D)s to compromise". DCKit Dec 2012 #6
Well, John2 Dec 2012 #10
I wonder how that polling question was worded? another_liberal Dec 2012 #13
Rusty Boner doesn't care about the People. He's only loyal to a handful of billionaires who run him. Scuba Dec 2012 #7
Nothing has changed for the GOP bucolic_frolic Dec 2012 #9
this mac56 Dec 2012 #12
President Obama is clearly winning . . . another_liberal Dec 2012 #11
Hi ho, hi ho, it's off the cliff we go ... nt bemildred Dec 2012 #15
 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
1. I would like to hit those RepubliCONS with some POLES.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:21 AM
Dec 2012

Maybe they would cooperate better if you hit them with a few poles.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
4. you would think the recent losses to Obama
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:37 AM
Dec 2012

And in the House and Senate would have provided the poll you're hoping for, but nope!

I say let them go on as if they had leverage. Nothing improves our position quite like Republican ignorance of their own weakness.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
8. and yes I get the pole pun :)
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:51 AM
Dec 2012

I just don't think you can beat the "stupid" off of these dorks with a pole.

You'll need something with more heft...like a Buick.

Ferretherder

(1,446 posts)
2. My own advice on this matter is...
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:26 AM
Dec 2012

...STAND YER' GROUND, REPUGS,...STAND YER' GROUND!!!!

PLEASE, stand your ground until the general public FINALLY sees who you REALLY represent in Washington and decides to send you and your party to the dust-bin of history.

Go ahead, make our day!

dchill

(38,510 posts)
5. +1, with a cringe...
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:40 AM
Dec 2012

And my fingers crossed. I don't think Social Security and Medicare can survive the kind of "compromise" that even some Democrats are advocating. And I'm sure their recipients won't survive very well.

dchill

(38,510 posts)
3. I truly shudder to think...
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:36 AM
Dec 2012

what would be the "conventional wisdom" as to what would be considered "progress" in the Fiscal Bluff talks.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
6. NBC Nightly Nooz was spinning this as "70% of (D)s want the (D)s to compromise".
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:47 AM
Dec 2012

I guess 70% of (D)s don't know what's in their own best interest or that we just won an election. Well either that, or it's an NBC/WSJ poll.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
10. Well,
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:05 AM
Dec 2012

this is interesting, coming from the same organization's editorial board that advocated Republican's not to fold, if Obama doesn't give significant cuts in entitlements. Just who are their subscribers,and didn't Krystol just crticize them before that Poll? It is interesting they came out with a Poll supporting their views.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
13. I wonder how that polling question was worded?
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:39 AM
Dec 2012

Did that polling question ask what kind of a compromise Democrats wanted? Everyone says they want compromise, but to the Republicans that means the President caves on cutting entitlements to the bone. I seriously doubt if that is what many Democrats mean by "compromise."

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
7. Rusty Boner doesn't care about the People. He's only loyal to a handful of billionaires who run him.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:48 AM
Dec 2012

bucolic_frolic

(43,219 posts)
9. Nothing has changed for the GOP
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:58 AM
Dec 2012

and nothing will. They'll just dig in harder and deeper.

They're posturing for the 2014 midterms already

If Boehner caves, he'll lose the Speakership to a Tea Pottier.

If Boehner stands pat, he'll lose in the polls, and get 2/3 of the
blame for going over the Fiscal Cliff.

If the economy improves just a wee bit and steadily, 2014 will see
Democrats gain 25 seats in the House.

But first, the Tea Party radicals will be allowed to make a display of
themselves.

And the GOP will try to blend all their inconsistent ideas into
a consensus that is appealing to the mainstream.

And the GOP will fail.

I marvel at the divided government the Founding Fathers
gave us. They really did study history, they knew human
nature, they had fled religious and political dictatorships.
Their system is still working.

Now if we could just get some relief at the polls on the
state level.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
11. President Obama is clearly winning . . .
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:33 AM
Dec 2012

President Obama is clearly winning this one big time. Even Republicans support raising taxes on the wealthiest of Americans, and by a majority of sixty percent! All that is left to see is how many top Republicans, such as Representative Cantor, are so deeply in the pockets of the Koch brothers that they would rather be defeated in 2014 than displease their masters.

This is going to be a very merry Holiday Season for liberals.

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