I feel so sad and frustrated so full of rage every time I hear of one of these shootings. I hope we don't accept this as the new normal.

Solving problems at the barrel of a gun is our nations sad legacy.

Defense of the shooter in 3...2...1...

To regulate the guns without regulating the lying and constant preaching of violence that comes from Fox and the thousands of radio outlets that do little more than make anybody who disagrees with the speaker into a Satan worthy of being shot down will not solve the problem.

There are always going to be the crazies out there, and if you have these public radio stations and TV channels constantly churning out hate and ideas calculated to turn even the half-sane among us into irrational robots of hate, you're going to have horrors like this happen. Events like this do not happen in a vacuum. They are mulled over, fantasized, justified within, and slowly turned into reality.

There are two parts to the problem: the guns and the mind-set of the people who use the guns. There have to be ways of dealing with both.

We need to assign kids books, a locker and a sidearm at the start of the school year!

proof body armor.

We cannot trust our fellow citizens. We are all potential terrorists and shooters.

More power to those in charge, less to us, for our own good!

Kind of like my neighborhood watch - we have learned that minorities do most the crime (and crime is all we report on each day when it comes to them - helping others, feeding the homeless, giving folks rides, etc...well that does not make for news that people will use for fear and to talk about) so we are calling on all non-minorities to get educated about what to look for, raise funds to buy up empty houses before the criminals do, etc.

Gotta run, have to send out a tweet to my watch friends, just saw a minority with some skittles and they too may have a gun (and we all know, if you have a gun you will kill someone).

If you have a gun, you may not kill someone by shooting them, but you might. If you don't have a gun, there's 100% chance you won't kill someone by shooting them, but you may kill someone by other means, but it will only be one at a time, and will require a lot more effort (and stronger homocidal tendencies) than simply moving one finger.

BTW if your gov't and Romney wanted to kill you, they would. It wouldn't take loads of guns. Hell, YOU could have most of the guns. The rich and the powerful will always find a way to do away with you, if they so choose. It's a silly argument that doesn't hold water in this day and age.

It never fails to amaze me, how people don't realize how easy it is for someone to go online and find recipes for bombs that could kill a lot more people than a fully automatic gun.

Look at the soldiers coming back with massive head injuries from roadside bombs.

Hell, look at how Bin Laden killed so many people, with his minions using nothing more than carton cutters to take over planes.

Bottom line: Mentally ill people who want to kill a lot of other people will do so. Guns are only ONE choice of weapon. Many others exist. You can't ban everything.

The only real solution is to get help for mentally ill people before they snap.

and thus require someone with more commitment and deeper convictions to kill. It would nearly stop all 'passion killings'. And it would save lives, and, IMO, every single one of those kids deserved that chance, at least.

Your 'real solution' is no solution at all - most people are sane - until they're not. People who 'snap' often are 'fine' up until the point they 'snap'. There is more correlation with sex and mass murders than there is with mental illness and mass murders. Maybe the way to stop this is to only let females have guns. (that's about as much sense as your argument makes)

I imagine many people believe that 27-plus dead school children are merely a(nother) price to pay to keep the American citizenry the most heavily armed nation on earth per capita.

Yesterday:

"Michigan Bill Allowing Concealed Weapons in Schools Approved by House Committee"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=334024

Holy hell.

Tea Party leaning SCOTUS forced an insane 5-4 decision onto the American public with Heller, the crazies in the nation interpreted that as a vindication of their romance with guns. All that Heller actually "settled" was the right to have a gun in the home -- which few really oppose in the first place. The "guns everywhere" society of right-wing red necked politicians and their slobbering sheep have since used Heller as an excuse to attempt to legislate away the last 100 years of gun regulation sanity.

Our very own Gungeon crowd is proof of this madness, and that they are allowed to spew their love of violence, vigilantism, and summary executions on DU is beyond belief. And now Florida is bragging about being the first state to allow over 1 million red necks to carry concealed guns in public.

At some point public outrage about daily occurrences of acts gun violence such as this one will turn the tide, and sanity will begin to once again prevail. Until then, please support organizations like the Brady Center, and Mayors Against Illegal Guns in order to counter this insane rush to legalize murder and violence.

Sez the gungeoneers.

And anyone that disagrees should be the first to lose their guns.

there are few Northeast States with weak gun control laws.

Don't kid yourself.

in six months it will be all.

Here is a perfect opportunity for you to show a direct correlation between concealed carry and increased gun violence. You have some evidence I assume? Or why else would you raise the issue?

Connecticut has gun control measures that many do not have - my.only point.

I'm sick of you and all your gungeon crap. You and people like you take some of the blame for those dead children.

that's all.

Right... "that's all" indeed.

been able to kill a bunch of kids with a Brady bill style approved handgun? So please lets not turn this into another gun restriction debate. People are dead here

"please lets not turn this into another gun restriction debate. People are dead here."

I think what you are saying is here should be no gun restriction debate. Dead people are EXACTLY what should justify a gun restriction debate.

And that is where the battle is being fought. No one is saying everyone should have access to weapons, even the NRA says Felons and the Insane should NOT have access. On the other hand NO one is advocating a complete ban for the complete ban will force Police officers (if they are allowed to keep guns) to do what is done by civilians today, including various types of animal control. No one can afford that, outside some urban areas, thus the two extremes are untenable. The real issue is where in the middle should the law be,

I have been told I am a radical, I believe the Assault Weapon Ban and the ban on automatic weapons clearly violate the Second Amendment, for the bans prohibits people from arming themselves if they form they own militia units.

On the other hand, I do NOT believe the Second, as it is written, prohibits bans on pistols, for pistols have limited military usability. The problem is both the Majority on the Supreme Court AND the dissent on the Supreme Court both rejected that position for both more feared an armed rebellion (that can be done with rifles and other "long arms" and requires people to work together) then criminal activity (95% of all crimes with firearms are done with pistols).

The reason pistols are used in crime and Rifles are not is simple, it is hard to conceal a rifle and when people see a person with a rifle, they have time to take precautions.

Thus, without changing a word of the Second Amendment, pistols can be banned if the Court would just accept that the second is what is says, the right of the people to bear arms so that they can be formed into a Militia OR form themselves into a Militia if needed. In such units you want rifles and shotguns not pistols, thus the Second should be restricted to rifles and shotguns for they are the preferred weapon if we ever do need to form up the reserved militia (which is every male between the ages of 18 and 45 by Federal Law),

...ignore words of second amendment and refuse to be "well regulated".

The 2nd amendment is not scripture; the gun is not a sacrament; gun defenders in this century are evil!

When it happens over here in the US, it's Friday, or Tuesday, or whenever...

I just read student essays that decried Latin America as an inherently violent region, while the US is remarkably stable and free from violence.

And then I read this, the second gun massacre in a week. WTF?

PB

Jesus Christ, elementary age kids should never have to endure anything like this.

I just can't believe this happened at an elementary. Guns are just so F((())G prevalent that I don't what can be done. There's so many people with dozens of them - what happens when people break in and steam them? dozens get on the streets to punks, to be used for crimes.

those poor kids, screaming and crying, and having to be shot and killed. The nation's gun laws must be strengthened and to hell with any who scream that they should have hundreds of guns sitting around their house and trucks....

Thanx NRA ..... Portland and now this in one week.

Somebody's 2nd amendment rights should not supersede one's 1st amendment right to
life and liberty ..... shopping, at school, and or watching a movie when is enough enough?

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some of the dead are kids kindergarden kids?????

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i am crying right now...... fucking NRA and all those gun nuts.

Ones 2nd amendment rights don't supersede all our 1st amendment rights.

27 dead? Kindergarten kids?

Or something like that....

the shooter wouldn't have been able to pick of those poor kids with a mere handgun or hunting shotgun. That makes no sense

There is simply nothing we can do. This will keep happening.

Seem to be increasing.

Sad that it was allowed to come to this where every freakin' day in America another horrendous gun crime is committed and the NRA still buys politicians' votes.

Those of us who are sane about gun laws need to take back our power from the gun nuts who fund the NRA.

I don't use that word often, but in this instance I am so angry at the crap that's spewed by the NRA and their minions that I want to scream. That includes every last one of the gun nutjobs here on DU. We all know who they are. I am sick, sick, sick to death of this. These were innocent little babies and being a mother, I can't even wrap my mind around how the parents will deal with this.

Multiple people, including children, have been killed in a shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

The number of victims is unclear. Many of the shootings took place in a kindergarten classroom, sources said.

A person believed to be a shooter is dead. Earlier reports of a second shooter are unconfirmed.

http://www.courant.com/news/breaking/hc-police-responding-to-incident-in-newtown-20121214,0,3969911.story

CNN reporting the Principal & School Psychologist are deceased.

Edit: Also reporting 1 Child deceased.

Tragic, More Fucking Tragedy This Holiday Season.

but while numerous children are injured, none of them are dead.

http://www.wvnstv.com/story/20346802/man-attacks-kids-at-chinese-elementary-school

"If they didn't have a gun they would have used a knife to kill the people"

I guess it's not as simple as that

At least 20 people shot according to what I'm hearing on the news.

OMG.... this so amazingly heart wrenching.

so sad

And every parent here knows how horrible this tragedy is.

reports the Harford Courant.

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pure devilry....

may those kids and adults killed RIP. I'm all for massive gun laws to prevent this. America is obsessed with them.

Possibly the parent of the shooter (or spouse)?

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Annual psych exams need to be mandatory for all members.

And that has been the case since BEFORE the American Revolution. Technically even the insane are members. Today, I can see the Courts ruling the restriction as to men is no longer valid (if it ever was, washer women were part of EVERY military group of more then 20 men since at least the Crusades, they had long been a tradition in all European and Middle East Armies even by that date).

Thus you have to decide who is NOT a citizen, for being a member of the Militia is part of being a Citizen. The only way to strip people of their position in the Militia is to strip them of their Citizenship.

via its elected representatives (Congress) has every right to determine who is and is not a member. In 1790 it sure didn't include BLACK men, or any women as you pointed out. And it probably didn't include the local drunks or the prisoners in jail or the homeless vagrants or known violent troublemakers.

CBS says they were legally purchased.

See: http://www.ssristories.com/index.php?sort=date&p=



Click on the blue 'What' to access a story. Click on a red column heading to sort the index by that column.

What Drug Date Where Additional
Suicide Effexor 2011-11-11 England Lawyer Impulsively Jumps In Front of Train: Effexor, like All A/D's, Can Cause Impulsivness
Suicide Med For Depression 2011-11-11 England Physician Kills Himself Shortly After Starting an A/D
Personality Drained Away/Huge Weight Gain Med For Depression 2011-11-10 England After Many Years on A/D's, Man Felt Like His Personaity Was Drained Away & He Became Obese
Violence Med For Depression 2011-11-10 Canada Man Strikes an Ax at a Neighbor
Death Antidepressant 2011-11-10 England 23 Year Old Woman Dies of Cardio-Respiratory Arrest: High Level of A/D's in Body: No Alcohol or Drug
Suicide Celexa Antidepressant 2011-11-10 England Woman, 73, Kills Herself While on Celexa
Murder-Suicide Prozac 2011-11-09 California Man Kills Two Police Officers & Himself
Heart Disease Med For Depression 2011-11-09 Global ++Depression Meds Are More Likely to Cause Heart Disease
Murder Attempt Med For Depression 2011-11-08 Malta/Mediterranean Man Attempts to Murder Uncle With Hammer: Confused & Agitated
Bizarre Behavior Lexapro & Desyrel Antidepressants 2011-11-08 California +Famous Actress Kim Richards Exhibits Bizarre Behavior on TV
Dulled Mind/Numbed Body Zoloft 2011-11-07 Georgia Woman Physician Quits Zoloft: Tells How She Recovered From Depression
Suicide Med For Depression 2011-11-07 Texas Woman Drives Her Car Into Lake
Suicide Antidepressants 2011-11-05 Ohio Soldier, 22, Kills Himself: Black Box Warning on Suicidality for This Age Group
Robbery/Bizarre Med For Depression 2011-11-04 England Man Steals 54 Supermarket Trolleys: Doesn't Know Why: Recent Change in Depression Med
Murder-Suicide Attempt Med For Depression 2011-11-03 New Jersey Mother Kills her Six Year Old Son: Attempts Suicide
Violence Antidepressant Withdrawal 2011-11-03 New York Man Attacks Mail Carrier: Beats Him Violently For No Reason
Suicide Prozac 2011-11-02 England Groomsman Hangs Himself the Day of Sister's Wedding
DUI Paxil 2011-11-01 Connecticut No Alcohol Involved: Woman Crashes Into Car in CVS Parking Lot
Suicidal Thoughts Med For Depression 2011-11-01 New York Vassar Student on Med For Depression Feels Like Killing Herself


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I actually thought this earlier.

Tech is the largest school shooting.

Just so horrible.

With some 300 million guns in the country how in the hell could it ever be controlled. People are not buying less guns. In my state they just published how gun sales have gone ballistic. The same with Right-to-Carry permits. It is difficult for me to have to accept that elementary schools need high tech security to protect little children. I guess I am just to damn old to grasp what has taken place in our nation.