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and it is likely going to be replicated many times over ad infinitum/ad nauseum.
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I am so frustrated with our slowly-evolving/quickly devolving species. We have to go through so much hardship before we EVEN consider changing our ways. Good thing we're on a planet that is tucked away in an obscure location of the Milky Way Galaxy!
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"...We have to save each other because all victims are equal and none is more equal than others. It's everyone's duty to start the avalanche."

--Bartholomew "Barley" Scott Blair, "The Russia House"

I have never had the time before to watch it.

"If more guns made you safer, the US would be the safest place in the world".

Who among us is not horrified beyond belief?
Jesus.

Spilled blood to finally take the guns off the street?

I'm sick about this. Those were kids. Not Republicans or Democrats, they never had a chance to have a say in this world.
As close to innocent as you can be.

How can you justify firearm possession at this point?

We live in miserable times, and people need to attend to those who are reaching out for help. Those who might pose a danger need to get treatment by any means.

We need to better educate the public, in general, of what to look for when someone may be having mental issues. Most people have no inkling. I realize that doing this is not going to completely prevent these horrible occurrences, but it just might nip one in the bud if people knew better when to intervene with family and friends who might need help.

This, along with the right-to-work, abortion restriction and other RW bills they passed.

and for this fucked up country.

I cannot imagine how horrible this will be for that school and community. I would never be the same if it happened in my seemingly safe school.

Do we take all of the guns away or do we all arm ourselves to the teeth? Should I be carrying a pistol on my hip while at school? Is that really the solution? Hard not to see this as an either or question any more.

Something like this - the mind can't even absorb it.

Twenty-seven dead, mostly little kids?

The reason I say you'll never be the same is that I never got over the Chinese Zheng school attack - and guess what - I just googled to give you a link, and there was another today. 23 kids injured at an elementary school in China:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57559179/china-school-knife-attack-leaves-23-injured/

Is it something in the stars?

This day will forever live in you as a back-of-the-mind worry about your students' safety.

I don't know the answer. It's not just guns. There are increasing numbers of attacks by individuals with other weapons, even fire. It's the mind that has the will to destroy, and I don't think normal people can grasp that mind.

Also the fact that it was the father of one of the children in the class makes any theories about protecting against this sort of thing somewhat problematic. Sure, we could put more police on guard in schools, but that wouldn't stop a parent from a class visit. I don't think expecting teachers to teach and be the local SWAT team is at all realistic.

I don't know what to say and I don't know what to think about something like this. It's too shocking and too immense. The worst school massacre I think ever was in the US in 1927, using bombs and gasoline. 45 dead. Perp was a former school board member, I believe.

WHY????? What happens in the human mind that generates this type of wrath and evil?

The first thing that went through my mind when I read that the father was from NJ and 20 years old was that it was a child support dispute, I'm sorry to say. Obviously not the normal type.

It's unfathomable. We have to do something.

Guns don't kill people.

Yes, they effing do!

Fuck this mentally ill country.

They are tools. I accept that.

The people that pull the trigger are the ones that kill people. The gun just makes it easier than a Knife.

But,
If a tool is determined to be highly dangerous, then it's use should be heavily regulated and monitored.

It's not as if I can go to the Catepillar store and buy a Wrecking Crane without the proper documentation.
Then I can't deploy the Crane without the proper permits and under the watchful eye of the local authorities.

Guns should be the same way. Privately Owned, but locked away in a public armory that can only be accessed under supervision of authority.

A mentally ill country totally besotted with guns and violence.

So this coward would not go into a police HQ or military base because they could fight back so he victimises children. A coward with a gun!

Where was social services? Children must be protected.

enough with the lax gun laws.

Horrible

I used to live in Monroe, the town just south of there. Never in a millon years would I imagine something like that happening there.

You're right, I bet the people of that town (and the surrounding towns -- almost all of them also upper income) will make a lot of noise.

Newtown is Republican. As an election worker, and registered Democrat, I can say that the majority is Republican and vote that way.

almost evenly split, but slightly more blue than red.

There is no locked door policy that could have kept this from happening.

27!

I can't even wrap my head around this.

What a horrible nightmare.

What could possibly allow someone to do this? My GOD!

K-4 school - BABIES!

What an ugly day.

"Not only does this NOT speak against the right for anyone to have a handgun, but it proves once again that everyone above the age of 9 should have one for self defense, and should carry it on them at all times."

I know David Keane. He is mean and ornery enough to come out with just such a statement.

...to hunt and shoot at targets?

The report now is that an entire kindergarten class was killed!!! They weren't rabbits, deer, or targets, and the shooter did NOT have to "protect" himself against those poor little children. This is NOT what the founding fathers intended.

IT'S TIME TO ACT!

Fuck

I don't know how many of the dead were children and how many teachers. Whatever the count, this is beyond comprehension. Young children. And the survivors will be seriously impacted for many years.

This latest incidence of a gun nut running amok is nothing less than a massacre. This evil genie has been out of the bottle for a long time and will likely never go back in, at least as long as NRA supporting politicians are represented in our legislatures. There do not seem to be any good answers on how to address these atrocities in lieu of gun control. But, how do we do nothing but wring our hands in the face of a really serious problem that politicians refuse to acknowledge.

Feinstein is going to introduce a AWB bill this session, so the chorus of "nothing-can-be-done" by the hand wringers will be drowned out soon.

When word of this gets out to the kids, and it will, what do I tell her? We live in a "safe" suburban neighborhood, but this kind of tragedy touches very close to home, even if it isn't physically local to us.

No bag limit, hunting with dogs allowed.

Where do I send my money?

He's disgusting... and he's a Dem, or so he claims.

Let's make sure we, the sane ones, get their names out there on who is taking money from them. I don't care if they're Dems or Repubs. Expose them and start an open season on the NRA and it's filthy influence.

The album art is precisely what you said. It was kind of an underground classic back when. I was puzzled by the artwork, but if you ever listened to it, you'd know more about why I am mentioning it in this context.

Now, not so much

One's right to life OUTWEIGHS the right to own shiny metal, period.

not ALL that you disagree with is a lie or a smear - ***AND*** - the difference between what is, in fact, a lie/smear, and what is, in fact, an essential point/aspect/factor in whatever it is that one values ought to be significant to the valuer, right?, because, how can one authentically value something that you're either dishonest or ignorant about? Isn't dishonesty or ignorance oppression?

When we value something, that implies somekind of relationship to it doesn't it? Why would we falsely limit the definition of that relationship, unless one is threatened by the truth about something? And, being fear based, threats are a form of slavery, oppression, so how can one actually value for real what one is a slave to? Doesn't admitting the truth about something free one to completely commit to it?

One of my points here has to do with the fact that, to me, the way that we are going about this, just doesn't work, for either side of the gun-ownership question.

Because gun-owners are denying certain truths about un-controlled gun-ownership, their guns are not resulting in their putative motive for owning them in the first place, i.e. safety & protection. If you do NOTHING but defend un-controlled gun ownership, it is MORE likely that when the necessity of using that gun presents itself, your safety is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay after the fact and, kill the miscreant or not, not much will change in the over-all valence of your safety quotient, for (in denying ALL factors but un-controlled gun-ownership) you will indeed be put at risk again and again in other ways that are more or less directly dangerous to you and to one - billions of others, by the same things (writ large) that put you in that dangerous situation in which you found it necessary to use your gun in the first place, forced to use it because you have been ignoring ALL aspects of gun-ownership other than un-controlled ownership.

So, the difference between what is in fact a lie/smear and what is an essential factor SHOULD be much more important than most people are pretending it is, even to those who value un-controlled gun-ownership above ALL else.

(rhetorical "you", of course)

It was okay in the 1776-1900 period.

Now, when the government is equipped with stealth fighters, rapid fire artillery, tanks and predator drones, an M-16 won't protect you.

The paradigm has changed drastically.

them and sends a hello card. They love the "revolution" idea

and may their surviving family members also find peace.

I hope it's not more dead?

http://www.courant.com/videogallery/73698292/Entire-Classroom-Unaccounted-For-In-School-Shooting

He killed someone else before he went to the school.

He was found hiding in the woods behind the soccer field at the sandy Hook Elementary School

no words, so much pain

That man never should have been let in the school with firearms.

Gun free zones is a logical first step. We just have to figure out how to get everyone compliant.

And increase attention to mental health care.

Guy plans for years maybe...is armed to the teeth. Has Body armor, every sort of lethal instrument even has a subscription to "Soldier Of Fortune".

Gets to the school and...sees the sign that it's a gun free zone....and says

"Oh what was I thinking...?!!!"

goes home and just shoots mom.

My god our problem is solved!

Welcome to the Unites States of we worship death tools. The Rambo/Terminator/Dirty Harry/ Death Wish-inspired land of slaughter, where what REALLY matters is that my arsenal outweighs your arsenal. Hell, you can see this worship in the gluttonus military we refuse to even acknowledge for notions of belt-tightening! Cut schools, cut health care and Social Security, but don't you DARE take one sidearm from our fabulous - we can eliminate anybody - military!

Another sane voice. Keep it up.

Sick, sick, sick.

Info from MSNBC

fucker takes children and innocent adults with him

no problem getting a gun when you're insane

just reported on CBS.

Connecticut law prohibits possession of "assault weapons" and does not issue handgun permits to anyone less than 21 years if age.

Then there's this from the Connecticut state code:
Sec. 29-34. False statement or information in connection with sale or transfer of pistol or revolver prohibited. Sale or transfer to person under twenty-one years of age prohibited. Temporary transfers. Penalties. (a) No person shall make any false statement or give any false information connected with any purchase, sale, delivery or other transfer of any pistol or revolver. Any person violating any provision of this subsection shall be guilty of a class D felony.

(b) No person shall sell, barter, hire, lend, give, deliver or otherwise transfer to any person under the age of twenty-one years any pistol or revolver, except that a pistol or revolver may be temporarily transferred to any person only for the use by such person in target shooting or on a firing or shooting range, provided such use is otherwise permitted by law and is under the immediate supervision of a person eligible to possess a pistol or revolver. Any person violating any provision of this subsection shall be guilty of a class D felony for which one year of the sentence imposed may not be suspended or reduced by the court.

(c) Any pistol or revolver found in the possession of any person in violation of any provision of this section shall be forfeited.

so he's old enough.

assault weapons are still illegal though.

but regulated.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/16/news/la-pn-romney-illegal-automatic-weapons-20121016

wasn't talking just about wars of Conquest and Empire, at a peak in His time around 0-4 AD. It was about the Culture of War in the hearts and minds and fantasies and movies and music videos and the internet and video games and the Big Ones ... War Because We Can ... War to Keep Us Safe ... War to Promote the Peace. Those who "act" out or "produce" this "fantasy", are fabuluosly wealthy. Those who own the literal means and the way to carry out the Reality, are our Elected Rulers.

And BS that kids and their young emotions can "tell" the difference between real and make believe...hogwash. Try putting "X" rated movies out for kids claiming it's sex education and that at some magic age they can "tell" the difference between what goes on in a normal home (healthy sex) and what they are watching (sex for pay). And usually no one even dies.

When will we even begin to acknowledge equally precious children in other countries and cultures. The above referenced Sage is reflected in a treasured children's song, "Red and yellow black and white, they are precious in His Sight...Jesus loves the little children of the world."

Local gun store ... Special Today.

unsafe sex...out hunting in the woods getting trampled by deer...Sorry. And the NRA doesn't count as a link. The solution is for each of the kids to have a gun, excuse me, sword? Awaiting the "Wise Man" link.

BTW, arm the kids? are you fucking kidding me? who the hell suggested that? Let the teachers carry if they choose. we've seen how well being unarmed works in the face of a well armed psychopath. too many times. You have no argument here.


"It needs but one foe to breed a war, and those who have not swords can still die upon them.”
JRR Tolkien
http://thinkexist.com/quotes/j.r.r._tolkien/2.html

..and increasingly by urban/suburban schools. You quote what I abhor...all need swords/guns to survive? Just. No.

it was just some coward douchebag, living in fear.

How it must suck to live in fear.

Signed,
Iinfantry combat vet

signed,
11B

but the killer's father is said to be missing from his own home. Who are the two dead bodies?

one of the bodies in the house, I assume.

If people had adequate lives, medical, meaning, and love the country and world would be so much better.

Some people should not have guns.

Guns should not be a social fetish in a healthy society.

People with guns kill.

We have far too much military.

We have far too much violence in media and "entertainment".

Poor little children.

Be assured it's regrettably going to continue until someone says enough!!!!!!!!!!!

Look for a Press Release from the NRA to arm elementary school children.

in every city and town of every state, let us know. You can be the first to go through the door. Good luck with that plan.

shall we say, fortunate areas. This was apparently a middle class, white, good family member.

We may not be able to with the "go door to door weapons search" hysteria, as we can do what airports do ... empty your pockets and go through the scanner. Nothing personal...just policy.

It does sound perfectly awful for a kindergarten student/parent.

Not what I'd like to see at my daughter's school, but the way things are going, it might be a sensible proposal, as horrible as that now sounds.

Please visit Florida where if you come through our doors to take property we are protected by stand your ground and castle law overlapping...

I think the gov bought back everyones guns and then if they had one they didn't turn in they got in trouble. Ever since crime way way way down...

but do I believe it will ever happen here in gun happy USA never in my lifetime!!!!!!

but don't bother yourself with those pesky facts.

Wonder if making things up with with an imaginary mind is a prerequisite for mental illness that might preclude someone from owning a gun?

You and I both know what's gonna happen here (what's not gonna happen that is).

Speak for yourself and not me.

We both know you will never speak for me and be believable.

LOL.

OK- you have not a 'damn thing' to say, but thanks for saying it.

Including the supporters of that lobby in the Gungeon.

I have blood on my hands? Am I being charged with being an accessory to murder?

I don't own a gun and I don't have blood on my hands.

I'm overwhelmed with a tremendous sense of loss and pain.

i think michael moore had it right, canadians hunt, they have guns. but, our media preaches FEAR and hate on the other to the extent that a paper boy is shot, a young man who goes to the wrong house is shot, because of FEAR and distrust. this fear and gun culture is being perpetuated. also, i think when reagan cut funds for mental illness, it also exacerbated the problem.

this isn't the wild west (the indians didn't think it was wild until the europeans came) and these gun nuts aren't wyatt earp nor wild bill. i'm not talking about rational gun ownership, i'm talking about those who think it's "bad ass" to wear a gun everywhere they go, not necessarily for safety but for intimidation.

apparently, this individual was mentally ill-on the news just now they stated he shot his mother before going to the school. such a terrible, terrible tragedy.