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democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:44 AM Dec 2012

600 weapons surrendered in gun buy-back in San Francisco

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

(12-15) 17:56 PST Oakland -- Arturo Hurtado of Richmond was still stricken with grief over the mass shooting in Newtown, Conn., that left 20 school children dead when he awoke Saturday morning.

So he decided to get rid of his gun - "that darn thing" as he called it - and purged it from his home.

"I've got kids, man," said Hurtado, who works at Waste Management in Oakland and has children ages 14, 10, 6, and 1. "Kids are curious. Kids don't know any better. I had it locked in a toolbox, so I don't know... I just know it had to go."

Hurtado was among hundreds of Bay Area residents who dropped off their firearms at "buy back" locations in Oakland and San Francisco Saturday, collecting $200 cash for their weapon, no questions asked.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/600-weapons-surrendered-in-gun-buy-back-4121621.php#ixzz2FBAlRltP



This is slightly encouraging. Not going to solve the problem on its own but it's a start.

I think I read about something similar happening in Brooklyn. I hope more police departments around the country do this.
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600 weapons surrendered in gun buy-back in San Francisco (Original Post) democrattotheend Dec 2012 OP
A good response to get rid of unnecessary firearms. Thanks for posting this. Hopeful. freshwest Dec 2012 #1
Nice to read a good story today Tumbulu Dec 2012 #2
Unfortunately it'll do nothing. Archae Dec 2012 #3
I disagree democrattotheend Dec 2012 #4
So how many gangbangers, criminals and paranoids have turned their guns in? Archae Dec 2012 #25
You're so right. There would have been no benefit to society kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #30
You see? It's all or nothing. Archae Dec 2012 #32
Perhaps she didn't get rid of her guns because THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES IN THE LAW kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #34
I Guess We Shouldn't Try Then? Skraxx Dec 2012 #5
I think even most gun owners are fine with gun buybacks Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #6
One less gun. Aristus Dec 2012 #7
It obviously wouldn't have done any good for the Newtown kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #29
400 were turned in at a Gifts for Guns in one Maryland county today. aquart Dec 2012 #8
I turned in a gun for free to the cops and they acted as if I was crazy Major Nikon Dec 2012 #9
Or sell it, get some cash Ter Dec 2012 #18
They didn't act as if you were crazy... ret5hd Dec 2012 #26
Meanwhile, in 2011, 10,800,000 firearms were sold in the U.S. OnlinePoker Dec 2012 #10
I'm not too sure those number are good LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #11
314 million Americans riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #19
That doens't mean 300 million Americans own guns LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #22
The 314 million is the population riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #27
Neither of those numbers are of any consequence by themselves. LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #31
Questions: What do they do with them? Are buy-backs always done by police depts? Justitia Dec 2012 #12
I've seen them being crushed in older versions of these programs OnlinePoker Dec 2012 #15
It IS a start... Hulk Dec 2012 #13
The right-wing gun scum really hate these... ellisonz Dec 2012 #14
Wow I can't believe that. MIDNITERIDER1438 Dec 2012 #16
It just takes each state to pass a law. My state did. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #21
Stop The Iron Pipeline NOW ! MIDNITERIDER1438 Dec 2012 #17
Gun buybacks are a joke galadrium Dec 2012 #20
This could be done all over the country this week tawadi Dec 2012 #23
This is great, but ?????? Missouri Lad Dec 2012 #35
Good. No one with an unwanted firearm should keep it. ileus Dec 2012 #24
Gun "buybacks" are a great way to get rid of a weapon that was used in a crime slackmaster Dec 2012 #28
150 Guns Turned In At Our Local Event AnnieBW Dec 2012 #33
How much buyback money is used to subsidize upgrades to more LETHAL, ProgressiveEconomist Dec 2012 #36
i have to agree with galadrium energumen Dec 2012 #37

Archae

(46,337 posts)
3. Unfortunately it'll do nothing.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:02 AM
Dec 2012

The guns we should be concerned about, the ones in the hands of gangbangers and other violent criminals, or paranoid nutcases won't be affected.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
4. I disagree
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:22 AM
Dec 2012

Several of the people interviewed in San Francisco said they were getting rid of their guns because they didn't want a family member to have access to them. For example, in one case a guy got rid of his gun because of an uncle with dementia. So if people who are not inclined to be violent give up their guns and keep them from falling into the wrong hands, that's a good thing.

Archae

(46,337 posts)
25. So how many gangbangers, criminals and paranoids have turned their guns in?
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:33 PM
Dec 2012

No, this program has the right sentiments behind it.

But the devil is in the details.

When people like "The Distinguished Gentleman" Congressman Louie Gohmert from Texas says the whole thing could have been stopped if the Principal had an M4 military assault rifle we never will have sane gun control.

It's always all or nothing.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
30. You're so right. There would have been no benefit to society
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:34 PM
Dec 2012

if the Newtown gunman's mom had turned her guns in. it would have been silly and pointless.

Archae

(46,337 posts)
32. You see? It's all or nothing.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:37 PM
Dec 2012

The point is she didn't.

And no doubt wouldn't, because it sounds more and more like she was one of those "I gots to have these guns to per-tect me!" types.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
34. Perhaps she didn't get rid of her guns because THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES IN THE LAW
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:34 PM
Dec 2012

for the type of gun owner negligence she appears to have indulged in. If she had known that the law called for negligent owners to suffer the death penalty if their guns were left unsecured and used to commit mass murder, she might have behaved like any RESPONSIBLE ADULT would have and kept the damned things properly locked up.

Skraxx

(2,977 posts)
5. I Guess We Shouldn't Try Then?
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:37 AM
Dec 2012

These programs have great promise if we could properly fund them. And they could be funded with taxes on guns and ammunition plus the registration fees. Couple it with mandatory mental health screenings for anyone who wants to own a firearm and incentives for those who turn in their arms and incentives for those who provide information on people with unlicensed weapons, and we can start making progress.

It won't happen overnight, but we must begin to enact programs to disarm this country. Limit the number and type of firearms people can possess, offer opportunities, grace periods and incentives to turn them in. Anyone after that point is in violation of the law and subject to persecution. And if you know of someone in violation and you turn them in, you get rewarded.

It can be done.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
6. I think even most gun owners are fine with gun buybacks
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:42 AM
Dec 2012

I went to a gun buyback last year. Got rid of an old rusted handgun that didn't work, and got 150.00 for it.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
29. It obviously wouldn't have done any good for the Newtown
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:32 PM
Dec 2012

shooter's mom to get rid of her guns, either.



We will never know how many lives have been saved by turning in and destroying those 600 guns. But go ahead and live in your fantasy world where normal, squeaky clean white suburban dwellers don't have anything to do with gun violence.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
8. 400 were turned in at a Gifts for Guns in one Maryland county today.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:58 AM
Dec 2012

Or maybe it was Delaware. That area. FB friend posted.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
9. I turned in a gun for free to the cops and they acted as if I was crazy
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:35 AM
Dec 2012

My brother had been sent to prison and had left a gun at my mom's house in Texas. She asked me to get rid of it. It was a cheap gun that was worth virtually nothing, but I certainly wasn't going to throw it in the trash. I took it to the police station, left it locked in my trunk and reported it to the cop at the front desk. I got the impression nobody had ever done that before. They treated me like a criminal until they figured out I legitimately wanted to get rid of it. They finally did take it after lengthy questioning. I got kinda soured by the whole thing and decided if anything like that ever happened again I would just throw it off a bridge into a big lake.

ret5hd

(20,500 posts)
26. They didn't act as if you were crazy...
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:50 PM
Dec 2012

They recognized you ARE crazy. Not because you turned in the gun...

just sayin'.

OnlinePoker

(5,722 posts)
10. Meanwhile, in 2011, 10,800,000 firearms were sold in the U.S.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:39 AM
Dec 2012

I don't know how many of those were resales, but I'm sure a crap load were new weapons. These buy-backs look good on the news or in the papers, but they don't do anything to reduce the number of guns in the big scheme of things. In the U.S. right now, there are 90 guns for every 100 people. Do the math and that's over 280 million guns out there.

LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
11. I'm not too sure those number are good
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:03 AM
Dec 2012
The Truth About Gun Sales

The number of Americans who own firearms has been steadily declining over the past 30 years. According to the General Social Survey (GSS), the most respected source of data on social trends in the U.S., just 20.8% of Americans owned a firearm in 2010. This is down substantially from the 1980 figure of 29%. GSS data also soundly debunks another specious claim that the gun lobby circulates to the media--that gun ownership among women is on the rise. In reality, gun ownership among American women has remained flat over the past three decades, with 10.5% of women reporting owning firearms in 1980 compared to 9.9% in 2010.

With fewer Americans choosing to own firearms, the gun industry understands that it must sell additional firearms to people who are already gun owners. To this end, the NRA has dramatically ratcheted up the promotion of gun confiscation conspiracy theories since the election of Democratic President Barack Obama. What started with the NRA's pledge to spend $15 million to defeat Obama in 2008 and a website called "GunBaNObama" has led to increasingly outlandish and paranoid attacks designed to promote gun sales. As Fox News' Follow the Money segment noted on January 4, "President Obama is the reason" for the upward trend in background checks since 2008, because the NRA has convinced some gun owners that he is "going to go after [their] guns."

The reality, however, is that the guy buying his second assault rifle or third handgun isn't a new gun owner. And sales of used or second-hand guns are not new sales--and no self-respecting industry would treat them as such. By purposely hiding actual data about gun sales in America, the gun lobby is attempting to reinforce its oversize reputation and make the industry look like a more politically potent force than it actually is.


Key points from above:
1) Gun ownership has declined from a high of 29% down to about 20.8%
2) Gun ownership by women has remained flat at about 10%
3) The NRA promotes gun confiscation conspiracy theories for the purpose of promoting gun sales.
4) The NRA and other gun lobby interests refuse to provide reliable gun sales records to hide the data.

Key points from rest of article: (Link at top)
1) Background checks is not performed solely on sales of guns or to just new buyers and does not provide sufficient data to determine new gun ownerships. The article provides the ways background checks are used.
2) Background checks does not provide an indication of annual gun sales for the same reasons.

LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
22. That doens't mean 300 million Americans own guns
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:10 PM
Dec 2012

And the link I had challenges the data supply by the gun industry on gun sales. They don't provide their own data but try to use background checks as an indicator.

riverbendviewgal

(4,253 posts)
27. The 314 million is the population
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:08 PM
Dec 2012

the 300 million is that amount of guns...maybe owned by 100 million? don't know...just that there are 300 million guns in America.

LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
31. Neither of those numbers are of any consequence by themselves.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:23 PM
Dec 2012

Did you read the article or the excerpts. About 21% appear to own guns as of 2010. I wouldn't think that would include youngsters. But if it did that would mean just over 66 million own guns. If just adults it would be about 50 million. When it is based on households the number is about 32%.

Justitia

(9,316 posts)
12. Questions: What do they do with them? Are buy-backs always done by police depts?
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:10 AM
Dec 2012

Do they destroy them somehow?

My husband has an old pistol that his father traded for cattle 50 yrs ago.
It has never been fired, we have no ammo & it's locked in a safe.
Frankly, I'd love to just get rid of it, thought about taking it to the police, but always kind of worried about what actually happens to it.

Does anyone know?

OnlinePoker

(5,722 posts)
15. I've seen them being crushed in older versions of these programs
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:34 AM
Dec 2012

They are rendered unuseable for anything but melting down.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
14. The right-wing gun scum really hate these...
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:27 AM
Dec 2012

...to the point that they have stood outside them and tried to buy guns from people turning them in. Scum.

galadrium

(1,115 posts)
20. Gun buybacks are a joke
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:23 PM
Dec 2012

The taxpayers are just paying over market prices for cheap guns. $200 cash for a firearm? Sounds like a great way for anyone knowledgeable about gun values to make a ton of money. Turn a rusted non-firing paperweight into cash. Or double your money on a military surplus rifle that hasn't seen sunlight in 60 years. Glad that makes you feel safer, but this is a huge waste of time and money.

 

Missouri Lad

(8 posts)
35. This is great, but ??????
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:23 PM
Dec 2012

Don't take the guns to the local police or sheriff office, as they will have a gun sale (auction) later and there you go...some nut will buy the one that were turned in.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
36. How much buyback money is used to subsidize upgrades to more LETHAL,
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:34 PM
Dec 2012

How much buyback money is used to subsidize upgrades to more LETHAL,
newer firearms? Gun buyback money is completely fungible, unless people who get gun buyback money agree, under penalty of law, they will no longer own firearms for, say, the niext five years.

If they subsequently undergo new background checks for new firearms, I'd advocate that they be prosecuted for attempted felony weapons possession.

Are there any data on the age, condition, and firepower of bought-back guns? At least two there posts in this thread (numbers 6 and 20) mention turning in guns that do not work anymore.

energumen

(76 posts)
37. i have to agree with galadrium
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:18 AM
Dec 2012

at 200 per weapon I have several I would turn in. However, it would be a rip off to the taxpayer since they are not worth half that . I recent local program offered 25 dollar gift cards to the dollar store. For these to be effective and affordable they are going to have to hit some type of median ground in what they are offering.

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