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BREAKING: Major Japanese Airline Just Grounded All Of Its Boeing 787s (Original Post) FarCenter Jan 2013 OP
Wow. That 'should' have a ripple effect. nt babylonsister Jan 2013 #1
In Boston last week or so, one caught on fire after having battery problems. MADem Jan 2013 #2
"Boeing Dreamliner battery fire hot enough to melt fuselage, tests show" PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #3
Only has to get to 600c at the most to burn through aluminim as well. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #16
Very bad news for Boeing bluevoter4life Jan 2013 #4
This airplane is made of "carbon fiber and plastic" instead of metal. amandabeech Jan 2013 #5
Aluminum burns too. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #17
True, but at high temps than plastic, I believe. amandabeech Jan 2013 #18
Yeah, I see that. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #19
I guess low wage, non-union South Carolina Boeing plant isn't much of a bargain. Swamp Lover Jan 2013 #6
+1 Heh Heh Heh Populist_Prole Jan 2013 #7
+1 GrantDem Jan 2013 #21
Back in the day, the DC-10 was always the "lemon" of wide-body jets... mike dub Jan 2013 #8
Passengers had to make a speedy exit KeepItReal Jan 2013 #9
Per Bloomberg video -- JAL has also grounded their Boeing 787s FarCenter Jan 2013 #10
If this is another battery fire, it's hard to believe that they've changed the battery chemistry or truthisfreedom Jan 2013 #11
But remember...Qantas grounded all their A380's for a while. SoapBox Jan 2013 #12
Why is this news? Most new aircraft have problems. pediatricmedic Jan 2013 #13
It's news because it has just happened. Nihil Jan 2013 #20
haha pediatricmedic Jan 2013 #24
Fox "News" has it as one of their recent news stories, crim son Jan 2013 #22
No more goats for trauma training, that sucks, good learning and good eating after. pediatricmedic Jan 2013 #23
and there was a Japanese videographer on the flight JCMach1 Jan 2013 #14
never trusted this material SansACause Jan 2013 #15

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
3. "Boeing Dreamliner battery fire hot enough to melt fuselage, tests show"
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:05 PM
Jan 2013

From the fire last week...

WASHINGTON — A fire that broke out last week in a Boeing 787 Dreamliner could have been hot enough to melt the carbon-fiber reinforced plastic that makes up the plane’s shell, according to the results of tests the Federal Aviation Administration performed last year.

The fire broke out in a lithium battery housed near the tail section of a Japan Airlines plane at Boston’s Logan International Airport, prompting an investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board and a review by the FAA.

On Monday, the NTSB released photos of the fire-damaged battery and the metal box that contained it. An NTSB spokesman would not say Tuesday whether the box kept the fire from damaging anything but the battery, and a Boeing spokeswoman could not immediately say what material was used for the box.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/01/15/179964/boeing-dreamliner-battery-fire.html


AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
16. Only has to get to 600c at the most to burn through aluminim as well.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:37 AM
Jan 2013

That sort of fire is bad news on any aircraft.

Does the 787 skin have a lower melt point than sheet aluminum?

bluevoter4life

(788 posts)
4. Very bad news for Boeing
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:36 PM
Jan 2013

If given the option, I choose them over Airbus anytime. But this is bad news for the company. Especially after delaying delivery for years due to various issues with the program. I love the 787 and I love Boeing, but they need to fix this, otherwise the ramifications are going to be significant. I'm sure their French counterparts are wringing their hands, salivating at the thought of new A350 orders.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
5. This airplane is made of "carbon fiber and plastic" instead of metal.
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:43 PM
Jan 2013

Plastic burns.

It's not just the shoddy components made by incompetent contractors, this seems like a design flaw.

They have a hot, untested in aircraft lithium-ion battery in a flammable plastic skin.

What could conceivably go wrong?

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
18. True, but at high temps than plastic, I believe.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:50 AM
Jan 2013

I remember what the exocets did to the British ships in the Falklands.

If you wanted to post a picture, it didn't come through.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
19. Yeah, I see that.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:46 AM
Jan 2013

Sorry, it worked in the preview pane, but apparently the host doesn't allow hotlinking. Or too many people saw it and they took it down.

Depends on the plastic. I don't know the composition of the composite used on the 787, entirely possible you are correct, and it has a much lower melting point or combustion point than aluminum.

 

Swamp Lover

(431 posts)
6. I guess low wage, non-union South Carolina Boeing plant isn't much of a bargain.
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 10:49 PM
Jan 2013

Who'd of thought this was coming?

mike dub

(541 posts)
8. Back in the day, the DC-10 was always the "lemon" of wide-body jets...
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:12 PM
Jan 2013

but that title was earned over decades, and many deadly, horrifying crashes.

Let's hope the 787 never strips the DC-10 of that title...

At this point I think caution (grounding aircraft) is a very good thing... for passengers...

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
9. Passengers had to make a speedy exit
Tue Jan 15, 2013, 11:48 PM
Jan 2013


Smoke in the aircraft?!?!

All 129 passengers and eight crew were evacuated safely via the plane's inflatable chutes. At a news conference, ANA said a smell was detected in the cockpit and the cabin, and pilots received emergency warning of smoke in the forward electronic compartment.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-incidents/airlines-ground-all-dreamliners-after-emergency-landing-20130116-2csqr.html#ixzz2I6gajoKM

truthisfreedom

(23,151 posts)
11. If this is another battery fire, it's hard to believe that they've changed the battery chemistry or
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:05 AM
Jan 2013

pack build so dramatically that they're having new fires they never had before in other planes! I hope they release information soon about what happened.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
12. But remember...Qantas grounded all their A380's for a while.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:10 AM
Jan 2013

The 87 is a new plane...and stuff goes wrong.

It's gonna cost all involved money but good that they are doing this to get any issues resolved.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
20. It's news because it has just happened.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:15 AM
Jan 2013

> Most new aircraft have problems.

And when they have "problems" of the nature of "bursting into flames" and
"smoke detected" then it makes the news. (cf Qantas & A380 issues)

What's up pal? Your Boeing shares just taken a dive or something?



crim son

(27,464 posts)
22. Fox "News" has it as one of their recent news stories,
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:01 PM
Jan 2013

along with this gem, "Fort Bragg agrees to stop blowing up goats for training."

Just an observation.

JCMach1

(27,566 posts)
14. and there was a Japanese videographer on the flight
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:55 AM
Jan 2013

who filmed it all...

i.e. Boeing is in deep doodoo

SansACause

(520 posts)
15. never trusted this material
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:37 AM
Jan 2013

Carbon nanocomposites might be all neat in the laboratory, but if I'm getting on a plane, I want it to be made of riveted aluminum and titanium.

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