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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:53 AM Feb 2013

Kerry Says Obama Offered Him State Dept. Job A Week Before Rice Withdrew

Source: TPM



TOM KLUDT 9:30 AM EST, FRIDAY FEBRUARY 1, 2013

In an interview with the Boston Globe published Friday, newly confirmed Secretary of State John Kerry said that President Barack Obama offered him the post a week before United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice withdrew her name from consideration — contradicting the widely held assumption that the longtime Massachusetts senator and one-time Democratic presidential nominee was the administration's second choice for the job.

“He called me, actually a week before Susan got out of the thing,” Kerry said. “He called me and said, ‘You’re my choice. I want you to do this.’ He asked me to keep it quiet. I did. I sat on it.”

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Read more: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/kerry-says-obama-offered-him-state-dept-job



Link to Boston Globe interview:
http://bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/02/01/john-kerry-now-known-secretary-reflects-his-political-journey/Q73YnFOiYAW4qrBl9cAIyO/story.html
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Kerry Says Obama Offered Him State Dept. Job A Week Before Rice Withdrew (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2013 OP
Why would he reveal this? n/t eggplant Feb 2013 #1
Would you want to be "selected" by McCain? bigbrother05 Feb 2013 #3
+1 n/t politicasista Feb 2013 #31
Why not? Many of us knew Rice was never the first choice, but, corpmedia rode the rumor mill. blm Feb 2013 #4
People seem to forget two things: ProSense Feb 2013 #7
You seem to overlook that Kerry had the lead role in diplomatic talks with Assad before the uprising leveymg Feb 2013 #11
Actually, ProSense Feb 2013 #12
She was the point of the spear, now she's been pushed back from the tip as leveymg Feb 2013 #15
Not Hillary, the WH. Beacool Feb 2013 #17
It was after Hillary issued the DOS "gag order" that Rice came forward as the sole Admin. leveymg Feb 2013 #20
My point is that Hillary is not the one who left Rice swinging in the wind. Beacool Feb 2013 #21
Rice stepped into the Lion's Den because Hillary bowed out. leveymg Feb 2013 #24
If John Kerry says it I believe it madokie Feb 2013 #2
Any time we appoint a conservative Kelvin Mace Feb 2013 #13
Maddow already busted these attacks wide open. Nice try, though. EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #23
I'm sorry Kelvin Mace Feb 2013 #32
+1 forestpath Feb 2013 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Feb 2013 #29
I thought Susan Rice would have been a poor choice all along. Glad to hear the Presidents thinking Purveyor Feb 2013 #5
I'm not sure what is to be gained from revealing this. The matter TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #6
When I first saw the article... DonViejo Feb 2013 #8
It's not a big deal, just not something I would have done. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #9
Agreed. nt DonViejo Feb 2013 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Feb 2013 #30
not very diplomatic! oldandhappy Feb 2013 #14
You're wrong - the corpmedia and too many duped Dems MADE it necessary. blm Feb 2013 #18
yea, ok. good point. oldandhappy Feb 2013 #19
I assumed that Kerry was his choice. Beacool Feb 2013 #16
It makes more sense now eggplant Feb 2013 #22
That's what Presidents do - plan.... Kanmi Feb 2013 #26
Apologies Mr. Secretary politicasista Feb 2013 #27
Rice was not the right person for the job to begin with. Jennicut Feb 2013 #28

blm

(113,071 posts)
4. Why not? Many of us knew Rice was never the first choice, but, corpmedia rode the rumor mill.
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:00 AM
Feb 2013

Why would it be OK to you to have it believed that Rice was tapped and then was 'thwarted' by Republicans when Obama has always wanted Kerry there?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
7. People seem to forget two things:
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:19 AM
Feb 2013

Kerry is highly qualified for the job and Rice is still a member of the Cabinet.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
11. You seem to overlook that Kerry had the lead role in diplomatic talks with Assad before the uprising
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:48 AM
Feb 2013

while Rice took a much more aggressive role in pushing regime change in Libya and Syria.

Kerry's appointment shows two things: 1) desire to counterweight the regime change advocates; and 2) Obama thought that Kerry would have an easier time getting through Senate confirmation after the Benghazi debacle than Rice who put herself into the center of the contentious issue over mixed-messaging by the Administration about what actually happened in September.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
12. Actually,
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:52 AM
Feb 2013

"You seem to overlook that Kerry had the lead role in diplomatic talks with Assad before the uprising while Rice took a much more aggressive role in pushing regime change in Libya and Syria."

...no I didn't. My point is that Kerry, and I believe he was the President's first choice, is highly qualified. The point about Rice is that people appear to believe that she is no longer in the administration.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
15. She was the point of the spear, now she's been pushed back from the tip as
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:28 PM
Feb 2013

the Administration's chief spokesperson on MENA issues. Hillary let her take the lead after Benghazi, and one could say Rice fell on the sword for the policy she embraced, if indeed she wasn't actually shafted.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
17. Not Hillary, the WH.
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:35 PM
Feb 2013

The WH sent Rice to speak on all those morning shows, it wasn't Hillary. They were also the ones who gave her the talking points (based on what the intelligence community had given them).

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
20. It was after Hillary issued the DOS "gag order" that Rice came forward as the sole Admin.
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:48 PM
Feb 2013

source talking on the record. Too bad that what she said on the record about no "coordinated attack" proved to be so inaccurate.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
21. My point is that Hillary is not the one who left Rice swinging in the wind.
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:06 PM
Feb 2013

The talk shows wanted Hillary and she said no. Someone in the WH decided to send Rice and gave her the talking points. I don't think that anyone was purposely trying to deceive the media, but the info. in the talking points was erroneous. I feel for Rice, but I still think that even if Benghazi hadn't occurred, Obama would have chosen Kerry.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
24. Rice stepped into the Lion's Den because Hillary bowed out.
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:21 PM
Feb 2013

No doubt, Rice volunteered enthusiastically and stepped into the role of spokesperson herself. What she did was rather noble and selfless, and I've acknowledged that before.

I also doubt there was a real intent on her part to actually deceive, but I remember her statements being endorsed by those here who were saying that there was no real evidence of a planned attack by al-Qaeda linked militias, and that everything in post regime change Libya was going swimmingly except for that little unplanned riot that night. Rice, no doubt, was aware of the positive spin she was putting on things.

I'm not sure that until Benghazi "blew back" politically that Kerry was really Obama's first choice. I do detect a shift in regional policy, and I suppose that is a good thing.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
2. If John Kerry says it I believe it
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:58 AM
Feb 2013

In my opinion between Senator Kerry and former Senator Hagel joining the administration we're heading in the right direction. And its about fucking time

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
13. Any time we appoint a conservative
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:59 AM
Feb 2013

we lose.

Hagel is a batshit crazy con, he just isn't an uber-batshit crazy con, so he seems "reasonable" by comparison.

He is:

Anti-gay
Anti-woman
Anti-abortion
Pro-war

Any one of these positions should disqualify him from holding a cabinet level job under a "liberal" administration, which just demonstrates that the Obama admin is center-right if one is being generous, and hard-right if one is being honest.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
32. I'm sorry
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:59 PM
Feb 2013

are you accusing me of being a "fake liberal"?

What part of Hagel being anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-abortion and pro-war is not factual?

Response to madokie (Reply #2)

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
5. I thought Susan Rice would have been a poor choice all along. Glad to hear the Presidents thinking
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:09 AM
Feb 2013

on this one.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
8. When I first saw the article...
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:30 AM
Feb 2013

I thought, WTH? After reading the article and thinking about it, I wondered if this wasn't some sort of grand strategy on the part of the President or, John Kerry has a big mouth (and I know that's not true). If it was some sort of strategy, I'm thinking the Prez just wanted to make the Two Amigos + NH's Sen Ayotte look like what they are, raving idiots.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
9. It's not a big deal, just not something I would have done.
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:33 AM
Feb 2013

Maybe Kerry was allowed to reveal that so that he didn't look "second-choice" for all of history, in which case it's understandable.

Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #9)

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
14. not very diplomatic!
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:23 PM
Feb 2013

Reeeally, John. Not necessary information. Show us your diplomatic side. I agree with your choice. And I hope you grow into the job!

blm

(113,071 posts)
18. You're wrong - the corpmedia and too many duped Dems MADE it necessary.
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:41 PM
Feb 2013

Why should Kerry have to deal with every news report of his work the next 4 years by being referred to by a rumor-driven press as the second choice tapped behind Rice?

Why should so many DUPED Democrats feel resentment that Obama's first choice as pushed by the corpmedia was passed over when the rumor was NEVER true?

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
16. I assumed that Kerry was his choice.
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:32 PM
Feb 2013

First, because Kerry has been in the Foreign Relations Committee for decades and knows most of the world players. Second, because Obama owed him for all the years that Kerry supported him politically, starting in 2004.

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
22. It makes more sense now
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:51 PM
Feb 2013

If he was the second choice, then it meant that the Rs were able to beat back O's first choice. And it was the media who pushed Rice's name, not O. So the reveal does seem strategic after the fact.

Kanmi

(9 posts)
26. That's what Presidents do - plan....
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:00 PM
Feb 2013

A good President like the head of a family plans ahead. Once it started to look like Rice might be force to pull out, the President had to make moves and ensure the whole process did not go up in smoke or destabilise the cabinet. End of story.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/conservatives-launch-facebook-alternative.html

politicasista

(14,128 posts)
27. Apologies Mr. Secretary
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:35 PM
Feb 2013

for the swipes. Hopefully it will be more known that he defended Rice from "The Club."

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
28. Rice was not the right person for the job to begin with.
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:50 PM
Feb 2013

I always assumed it would be Kerry until suddenly the MSM declared Rice the front runner. Kerry has a lot more experience and a less hawkish view of the world.

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