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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:44 PM Feb 2013

BREAKING: Hostage Situation Ends, 5-year-old Child is Safe, Kidnapper Dead, U.S. Official Says

Last edited Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:27 PM - Edit history (2)

Source: CBS News

@CBSNews: BREAKING NEWS: A U.S. official says Alabama hostage situation is over: kidnapped child is alive, kidnapper is dead http://t.co/s2drA6vF

Also: @BreakingNews: Reports of explosions near Midland City, Alabama, hostage scene - @abc3340, WJHG-TV

Alabama Standoff Update: Hostage situation ends, 5-year-old child is safe, kidnapper dead, U.S. official says

February 04, 2013

(CBS/AP) MIDLAND CITY, Ala. - A U.S. official tells CBS News that a nearly week-long hostage standoff in which a 5-year-old was being held captive in southeast Alabama has ended in the kidnapper's death. The child is said to be okay.

Authorities said 65-year-old Jimmy Dykes gunned down a school bus driver Tuesday and abducted a 5-year-old boy from the bus before taking him to an underground bunker on his rural property. The driver, 66-year-old Charles Poland Jr., was buried Sunday.

Dykes, a decorated Vietnam-era veteran described as a loner who railed against the government, lived up a dirt road just off the main road north to the state capital of Montgomery, about 80 miles away.

CBS radio affiliate WSB says reporters heard what may have been a concussion grenade before ambulance and fire vehicles went to and from Dykes' property about 4p.m. Eastern Time Monday.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/fullstory.rbml

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BREAKING: Hostage Situation Ends, 5-year-old Child is Safe, Kidnapper Dead, U.S. Official Says (Original Post) Hissyspit Feb 2013 OP
Whew! Dont call me Shirley Feb 2013 #1
Details: Hissyspit Feb 2013 #67
YES!!!! FourScore Feb 2013 #2
best news. mikeysnot Feb 2013 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author OKNancy Feb 2013 #4
This is wonderful get the red out Feb 2013 #5
Excellent news leftynyc Feb 2013 #6
Caution! your direct link to CBS doesn't work and intaglio Feb 2013 #7
That's the link CBS always sends out initially with breaking news. Hissyspit Feb 2013 #14
On MSNBC now. nt alsame Feb 2013 #8
From the bus driver to the kidnapper, it's a shame that people had to die over this thing MrScorpio Feb 2013 #9
The kidnapper was a vile asshole ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #30
Its a shame the bus driver died. Travis_0004 Feb 2013 #34
ITA! nt raccoon Feb 2013 #69
Link #1 doesn't have the story, link #2 doesn't work. WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #10
Talking about it on MSNBC (Martin Bashir) right now. n/t BumRushDaShow Feb 2013 #11
Thanks goodness, having worked with a 5 year old Autistic Boy HockeyMom Feb 2013 #12
AWESOME111!!!!1!!!! kysrsoze Feb 2013 #13
Good!! dbackjon Feb 2013 #15
So they charged in? or Dykes shot himself? Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #16
I wish I could see an article that explained. nytemare Feb 2013 #43
They shot the kidnapper. musical_soul Feb 2013 #63
That is great news. I was worried about that little guy. Luciferous Feb 2013 #17
You would think Huffington Post would be all over this. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2013 #18
OMG, what have we become? lillypaddle Feb 2013 #19
I actually breathed a sigh of relief. FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #20
One less right wing coward--nc randr Feb 2013 #21
He was mentally unbalanced. Don't confuse the two. randome Feb 2013 #36
He was both maxsolomon Feb 2013 #44
You mean, there is a difference? JDPriestly Feb 2013 #48
Reports say that he listened to right-wing radio and hated Obama and the government. yardwork Feb 2013 #52
Right wing thinking leads to mental imbalance randr Feb 2013 #60
I've read the same thing on conservative message boards.... musical_soul Feb 2013 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author pasto76 Feb 2013 #58
We have no information about this guy's politics.... musical_soul Feb 2013 #64
Exhaling deep breath. More details later, no doubt. n/t freshwest Feb 2013 #22
Did Kidnapper take his own life or did the police kill him? Auntie Bush Feb 2013 #23
I wonder why they call him Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 2013 #24
Exactly. And from other reports, he was a paper pusher, having never served in combat. nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #38
Fits in with the "Vietnam Vets are nuts" narrative. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #39
So glad. Press conf. in about 5 min. (2:35 PST) nolabear Feb 2013 #25
Good. Take note, NRAhadists. You can be taken. nt onehandle Feb 2013 #26
per CNN the FBI were the ones who rescued Ethan sasha031 Feb 2013 #27
jack booted thugs according to wayne lapierre JI7 Feb 2013 #29
+1 freshwest Feb 2013 #45
Elderly man gunned down in front of young child in his home by brazen cops ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #28
Probably not the time for this. randome Feb 2013 #35
Yep, you got it. Will be on the RW blogs - they're coming for yur gunz! It's started! freshwest Feb 2013 #46
Whew! krispos42 Feb 2013 #31
Just got text from my brother LizW Feb 2013 #32
thank you so much for on the ground the updates sasha031 Feb 2013 #33
So are we humbled. Thank your brother for me (us), please. freshwest Feb 2013 #47
CUE THE VONAGE THEME! rocktivity Feb 2013 #37
Thank God. Thank God. Number23 Feb 2013 #40
This 'gun nut' thought he could commit murder, revmclaren Feb 2013 #41
Dykes was mentally unbalanced. No one will learn a lesson from him. randome Feb 2013 #42
Lots of people are "mentally unbalanced." This one was filled with right-wing hate. yardwork Feb 2013 #53
I believe you are correct, yardwork Skittles Feb 2013 #68
I don't understand Milliesmom Feb 2013 #49
Well thank goodness they did take their time Bay Boy Feb 2013 #55
If the people who took the compound did it right, it would take a few days to plan. happyslug Feb 2013 #59
What a relief for that poor boy and his family davidpdx Feb 2013 #50
Good riddance. Once you harm a child, I don't care how many illnesses you have. nt EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #51
Another casualty of that rotten war Warpy Feb 2013 #54
It doesn't sound like he was a combat vet independentpiney Feb 2013 #56
I don't remember him, but we were both in the same outfit in the Navy at the same time. olddad56 Feb 2013 #62
Fox News actually tried to soften the image of this a-hole Dykes "boy..released" underpants Feb 2013 #57
Kick! n/t Tx4obama Feb 2013 #61
Say goodnight, Crazy. Kennah Feb 2013 #66
An older,white and armed angry male who was egged on to violence by teabag hate radio workinclasszero Feb 2013 #70
Were any guns harmed by the jack booted thugs? jpak Feb 2013 #71

Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
7. Caution! your direct link to CBS doesn't work and
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:55 PM
Feb 2013

The short link to CBS main page says nothing about the crisis ending.

No word yet on any other news source according to Google.

edit to add there is a "breaking news" headline but no link

edit to add http://www.whsv.com/home/headlines/Alabama-Hostage-Situation-Ends-189718371.html

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
14. That's the link CBS always sends out initially with breaking news.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:03 PM
Feb 2013

It's kind of annoying they do that. Thanks for the alt link.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
9. From the bus driver to the kidnapper, it's a shame that people had to die over this thing
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:55 PM
Feb 2013

This country has lost its mind

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
34. Its a shame the bus driver died.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:58 PM
Feb 2013

I really don't give a shit about the kidnapper. A bullet is much cheaper than life in prison anyway.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
12. Thanks goodness, having worked with a 5 year old Autistic Boy
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:00 PM
Feb 2013

My heart goes out to his parents, and I am very happy that this had a happy ending for him, and his family.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
16. So they charged in? or Dykes shot himself?
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:05 PM
Feb 2013

Now that it's over, I'm very interested to hear the nature of his conversations with the police for the past week...

nytemare

(10,888 posts)
43. I wish I could see an article that explained.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:17 PM
Feb 2013

All the ones I've seen are re-hashes of other articles, and don't really go into what happened with the recovery of the 5 year old, etc.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,869 posts)
18. You would think Huffington Post would be all over this.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:07 PM
Feb 2013

But Beyonce and Super Bowl commercials are more important I guess.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
48. You mean, there is a difference?
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:50 PM
Feb 2013

Any one of us can be narcissistic to some extent, but almost by definition, very right-wing people who do not believe in helping others, who want their guns and have a self-centered definition of freedom are mentally ill. Those are the traits of narcissism as well as some other mental illnesses.

Campbell and Foster (2007)[15] review the literature on narcissism. They argue that narcissists possess the following "basic ingredients":

Positive: Narcissists think they are better than others.[16]
Inflated: Narcissists' views tend to be contrary to reality. In measures that compare self-report to objective measures, narcissists' self-views tend to be greatly exaggerated.[17]
Agentic: Narcissists’ views tend to be most exaggerated in the agentic domain, relative to the communion domain.[clarification needed][16][17]
Special: Narcissists perceive themselves to be unique and special people.[18]
Selfish: Research upon narcissists’ behaviour in resource dilemmas supports the case for narcissists as being selfish.[19]
Oriented toward success: Narcissists are oriented towards success by being, for example, approach oriented.[clarification needed][20]
. . .

Malignant narcissism

Malignant narcissism, a term first coined in a book by Erich Fromm in 1964,[38] is a syndrome consisting of a cross breed of the narcissistic personality disorder, the antisocial personality disorder, as well as paranoid traits. The malignant narcissist differs from narcissistic personality disorder in that the malignant narcissist derives higher levels of psychological gratification from accomplishments over time (thus worsening the disorder). Because the malignant narcissist becomes more involved in this psychological gratification, in the context of the right conditions, they are apt to develop the antisocial, the paranoid, and the schizoid personality disorders. The term malignant is added to the term narcissist to indicate that individuals with this disorder have a powerful form of narcissism that has made them ill in the forms of paranoid and anti-social traits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism#Collective_or_group_narcissism

Narcissism leads to paranoia and then to big problems. No one of us is the center of the world. When we think that we are, we are in trouble. It's a tough balance. What we today call the "conservative philosophy" is virtually the textbook description of narcissism.

In my opinion, the characters that Ayn Rand described as her "heroes" were narcissists. Quite possibly verging on or actually paranoid.

yardwork

(61,671 posts)
52. Reports say that he listened to right-wing radio and hated Obama and the government.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:02 PM
Feb 2013

He was a right-winger.

randr

(12,412 posts)
60. Right wing thinking leads to mental imbalance
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:05 PM
Feb 2013

Consider that a person is not brain "washed" but, rather brain "diseased".

musical_soul

(775 posts)
65. I've read the same thing on conservative message boards....
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:23 AM
Feb 2013

With conservatives thinking liberals were brainwashed, had diseases or something else.

Seriously, this is just a nasty and wrong way of thinking.

Why can't we disagree with the other side without hating them? Why can't they disagree with us without hating us?

And no, I don't want to hear "This is different because..." They say the same things.

Response to randr (Reply #21)

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
23. Did Kidnapper take his own life or did the police kill him?
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:26 PM
Feb 2013

Since there was an explosion before the gunshot it sounds like the police had done something...like blasting in and then Kidnapper killed himself. Maybe even the police killer him? We' ll find out in a few minutes. Thank god the boy is alive and OK. He must have a very happy mother!

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,583 posts)
24. I wonder why they call him
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:28 PM
Feb 2013

a decorated Vietnam Era veteran? According to what I read he got a Vietnam Service Medal (everyone who landed there got one) and a Good Conduct Medal. Sorry, that doesn't qualify as a 'decorated' veteran in my book. Glad the child is ok............

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
25. So glad. Press conf. in about 5 min. (2:35 PST)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:31 PM
Feb 2013

I hope the little one is okay, and that those involved find some kind of peace. Difficult times.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
28. Elderly man gunned down in front of young child in his home by brazen cops
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:40 PM
Feb 2013

Just getting the alternate DU headline out there.

LizW

(5,377 posts)
32. Just got text from my brother
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:48 PM
Feb 2013

They could wait no longer. Dykes was deteriorating. FBI breached the bunker. My brother says, "I am humbled by the courage of my friends."

sasha031

(6,700 posts)
33. thank you so much for on the ground the updates
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:57 PM
Feb 2013

greatly appreciate it, your brother, all law enforcement & the FBI rocks
we are all so relieved that Nathan is safe.

revmclaren

(2,525 posts)
41. This 'gun nut' thought he could commit murder,
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:12 PM
Feb 2013

take an innocent child hostage and hide in his bunker until he got what he wanted. This should be a wake-up call to all the bunker owning 'gun nuts' out there.

yardwork

(61,671 posts)
53. Lots of people are "mentally unbalanced." This one was filled with right-wing hate.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:04 PM
Feb 2013

Millions and millions of people have mental health issues. The vast majority of us don't do what this man did. The vast majority of us don't listen to hate radio all day long. This man may have been mentally unbalanced. Hate radio swooped in and took advantage of that. They wanted another foot soldier in their war. Sometimes the foot soldiers go a little too far.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
68. I believe you are correct, yardwork
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:54 AM
Feb 2013

when I see what rightwing garbage has done to "regular" folk, it is not much of a stretch to believe it could do massive harm to someone who is already unbalanced

 

Milliesmom

(493 posts)
49. I don't understand
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:57 PM
Feb 2013

If they entered and shot him, why weren't they able to do this earlier, they knew it would not have a good ending. He killed a man, he was not coming out alive.

Bay Boy

(1,689 posts)
55. Well thank goodness they did take their time
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:10 PM
Feb 2013

I'm sure there is lot's of recon and planning prior to carrying out an assault like this.

I say thank goodness because it had a good ending.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
59. If the people who took the compound did it right, it would take a few days to plan.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:44 PM
Feb 2013

First you have to get an idea of how big a place he is hold up in. Then build a duplicate. Train your men (WHo I will call the "attacking group&quot on how to enter the compound and NOT kill the child. The Duplicate does NOT have to be exact, just whatever barriers the Police may face be addressed (in the training exercise, the wall can be paper, but have the Attacking Group being train to treat them as if they were solid).

You have the Attacking force that will take the compound do it over and over again, so that it becomes second nature to them. Military units do this all the time, if they know the actual operation they will be performing, they do it over and over again till it is automatic with them.

Once the attacking force is trained, you wait till the best possible time. Best when the Hostage taker is asleep. Over a few days an observer will notice when the hostage holder sleeps and where, that is given to the attacking group who modify they plans accordingly.

Then the attack order is given and the attack group goes in. Te operation is over is 2-5 seconds.

Please note the Attacking force does NOT have to be near where they are attacking while they are training. They can be at a Central Location where they can train in secret and then driven or flown to the site where they are to take out the Hostage Taker.

Such an operation has to take a few days, to rush it is to go in NOT knowing where the Hostage taker is, NOT knowing where the Hostage is AND not trained so that everything comes automatically to the attacking force.

Warpy

(111,292 posts)
54. Another casualty of that rotten war
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:05 PM
Feb 2013

I doubt if his screws would have been that loose had he not gone to fight another old men's war of convenience in Vietnam.

Modern warfare destroys human beings. We need to make sure it is kept incredibly rare. We need to get the chickenhawk neocons out of our government and out of the Pentagon. And some day, war needs to be obsolete.

independentpiney

(1,510 posts)
56. It doesn't sound like he was a combat vet
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:14 PM
Feb 2013

His screws were more likely loosened by right wing hate radio right back here in the good ol' USA. Don't disagree with any of your other points.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
62. I don't remember him, but we were both in the same outfit in the Navy at the same time.
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:13 AM
Feb 2013

This guy saw no combat in Vietnam. However, he could have been in DaNang during the Tet Offensive of 68. The VC came pretty close to over running the base during that ordeal. We had a detachment in DaNang, we would rotate people down there from our home base in Atsugi Japan. We were a naval aviation surveillance squadron.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
70. An older,white and armed angry male who was egged on to violence by teabag hate radio
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:32 AM
Feb 2013

Murdered a bus driver and scarred a child for life, got what was coming to him.

When will Rush Limpballs and his unholy legions of hate radio talkers get theirs?

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