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Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:57 PM Feb 2013

Wisconsin police arrest actor James Cromwell for protest against animal testing at university

Source: Washington Post

MADISON, Wis. — Actor James Cromwell has been arrested for allegedly disrupting a University of Wisconsin Board of Regents meeting where he was protesting animal testing.

University police Sgt. Brent Gruber says the 73-year-old Cromwell was arrested and ticketed on a misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct. Cromwell and an activist from an animal-rights group also arrested were released from jail by Thursday afternoon.

They held two large signs showing a cat with metal implanted in its head at a UW-Madison lab, while shouting about the treatment of cats Thursday morning. The director of the school’s Research Animal Resources Center says federal agriculture officials have found their claims to be false.

Cromwell was nominated for an Academy Award for the 1995 film “Babe.” Other credits include “L.A. Confidential,” ‘’The Green Mile” and “The Artist.”

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/celebrities/wisconsin-police-arrest-actor-james-cromwell-for-protest-against-animal-testing-at-university/2013/02/07/776ab1f6-716b-11e2-b3f3-b263d708ca37_story.html



Good for him.

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Wisconsin police arrest actor James Cromwell for protest against animal testing at university (Original Post) Faygo Kid Feb 2013 OP
At'll do. tanyev Feb 2013 #1
Good On Ya Jim! HangOnKids Feb 2013 #2
Long been one of my favorites MuseRider Feb 2013 #3
George from "Six Feet Under", love him! Happyhippychick Feb 2013 #4
I enjoyed "Six Feet Under". And if we only knew about Dexter rhett o rick Feb 2013 #6
Thanl you James! PETA Press Release Catherina Feb 2013 #5
He was great in American Horror Story. Chef Eric Feb 2013 #7
Good on him. I think he did great justice to Zefram Cochrane, too. Akoto Feb 2013 #8
it's a trick I tell you PatrynXX Feb 2013 #14
Does anyone actually care to hear the University's side of the story? Act_of_Reparation Feb 2013 #9
I sure don't. justiceischeap Feb 2013 #12
Sweet Jesus... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2013 #13
"But it doesn't work." justiceischeap Feb 2013 #20
Some of Peta is well placed PatrynXX Feb 2013 #15
Hell no n/t Catherina Feb 2013 #18
Act_of_Reparation RILib Feb 2013 #21
Can't speak to the cat scenario but to the UW primate lab has had a long history of issues. Ellipsis Feb 2013 #22
I just google image searched "animal testing cats" Hillary2016 Feb 2013 #10
Kudos to James. I love anyone who stands up against animal cruelty. RebelOne Feb 2013 #11
the he should be protesting PETA rdking647 Feb 2013 #17
Love that guy! lexw Feb 2013 #16
Would often see xxqqqzme Feb 2013 #19
Thank you James for representin' yesphan Feb 2013 #23
k/r Solly Mack Feb 2013 #24
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
6. I enjoyed "Six Feet Under". And if we only knew about Dexter
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:45 PM
Feb 2013

then. Working at a funeral home was probably a benefit for him.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
5. Thanl you James! PETA Press Release
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:28 PM
Feb 2013

PETA Press Release


Oscar Nominee James Cromwell Arrested Over University of Wisconsin Cat Abuse

Actor Joins PETA in Calling for End to Experiments Depicted in Gruesome Photos

For Immediate Release:
February 7, 2013

Contact:
Tasgola Bruner 202-483-7382

Madison, Wis. -- Academy Award nominee and longtime PETA activist James Cromwell was arrested Thursday morning after interrupting a University of Wisconsin (UW) Board of Regents meeting to demand an end to cruel and deadly brain experiments on scores of cats at UW-Madison.

Shouting "Shame on UW for mutilating and killing cats!" and holding graphic blown-up photos showing how UW drilled into, deafened, and decapitated a cat named Double Trouble, Cromwell and PETA supporters were surrounded by university police and taken out of the building. Video of the event will be available shortly.

"The University of Wisconsin may think that grant money matters more than animals' suffering, but the public who unwittingly funds this cruelty demands an end to these hideous experiments," says Cromwell. "My friends at PETA and I will continue to call on UW-Madison to stop cutting into and killing cats in this useless experiment."

Thursday's protest follows a January 22 letter sent by PETA to the UW Board of Regents describing the abuse of nine other cats in the same laboratory where Double Trouble was experimented on and killed, as documented by UW's own records. PETA asked the regents for an immediate end to the cruel experiments but received no response.

Double Trouble and other cats developed bacterial infections from the traumatic head and eye wounds inflicted on them, were starved for days at a time, and had their heads mutilated and stainless-steel posts screwed to their skulls. They were deafened and forced to work for small bits of food. Double Trouble was killed and decapitated. Some of the other cats may still be alive in a UW laboratory.

More than $3 million in federal funds from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) have been wasted on this ongoing project, even though leading clinicians in the field have never cited the published study as contributing to improving human hearing. More than 200,000 people have used PETA's website to ask the NIH to cut funding for these experiments.

For more information, please visit PETA.org/DoubleTrouble.


http://www.peta.org/mediacenter/news-releases/Oscar-Nominee-James-Cromwell-Arrested-Over-University-of-Wisconsin-Cat-Abuse.aspx

Akoto

(4,266 posts)
8. Good on him. I think he did great justice to Zefram Cochrane, too.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:25 PM
Feb 2013

I've always loved that moment when he first gets his ship into space, looks over at Earth from on high, and whispers, "Oh, wow."

Right then, by expression and tone, you can see how the man who formerly wanted money and "an island full of naked women" from his ship could change to found the altruistic Federation. A great example of how humanity can become more than what it is. Roddenberry would've been proud.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
14. it's a trick I tell you
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:03 AM
Feb 2013

uh how did you do that.... Roddenberry is not proud of the pig sty remake. although he might like the independent ones running around of Gods and Men and Renegade

and he sure would love this

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
9. Does anyone actually care to hear the University's side of the story?
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:45 PM
Feb 2013

Or is PETA all of a sudden a reliable source of objective information?

I only ask because, if you actually read PETA's statement on the issue, you'd think there was an Animal Cruelty department at UW, where scientists blow boatloads of NIH funding for the sole purpose of torturing animals.

My wife is a biologist. She employs a "no whiskers" rule in her lab, partly because she is fond of animals, and partly because the red tape relative to animal models is prohibitively long and convoluted. The NIH employs stringent ethics guidelines where animal testing is concerned. If the researchers at UW are found to be in violation of these guidelines, they will be in hot water.

In the meantime, I shan't be placing my trust in the word of pathological liars.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
12. I sure don't.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:54 PM
Feb 2013

Since when is an animal's physiology similar to a humans? They aren't and all the testing does is torture animals to give scientists a best guess at how things will affect humans.

Also, though there are computer models that can now be employed, some universities continue to use and torture animals because of the funding they receive to do so. It's more about money than research. You don't have to believe PETA to know this stuff. You don't even have to use PETA as a source.

I'm happy your wife has a "no whiskers" policy in her lab but that doesn't negate the fact that even if scientists follow guidelines, animals are still tortured. Why not offer humans the opportunity to participate in these tests for money? At least they'd have a choice in the matter. But it isn't allowed because it isn't safe.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
13. Sweet Jesus...
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:50 PM
Feb 2013
Since when is an animal's physiology similar to a humans?


Since they differentiated from our common genetic ancestor.

They aren't


They are.

and all the testing does is torture animals to give scientists a best guess at how things will affect humans


Germ theory is a "best guess". Gravity is a "best guess". Evolution by natural selection is a "best guess". Animal models are a "best guess", but they are statistically significant nonetheless.

I doubt most scientists spend the better part of a decade becoming top minds in their field to have some scientific illiterate denigrate their findings as "guesswork".


Also, though there are computer models that can now be employed, some universities continue to use and torture animals because of the funding they receive to do so. It's more about money than research. You don't have to believe PETA to know this stuff. You don't even have to use PETA as a source.


Computer models are insufficient insofar as they are unable to account for interactions between variables on the micro scale. Scientists don't hurt animals to get their jollies off. Moreover, they don't like spending money they don't have to. If computer models worked, scientists would use them. End of story.

I'm happy your wife has a "no whiskers" policy in her lab but that doesn't negate the fact that even if scientists follow guidelines, animals are still tortured. Why not offer humans the opportunity to participate in these tests for money? At least they'd have a choice in the matter. But it isn't allowed because it isn't safe.


A rather myopic view of ethics. Human testing exists, but only after the methods are shown to be relatively safe through animal trials. The reason we don't have human testing in initial-stage research is not because it is deadly or dangerous, but because the only people who volunteer themselves would be poor. Last I checked, exploiting desperation was unethical as well.

I'm sorry, but your argument is bunk.

Scientists are everyday people, just like you and me. They don't take pleasure in using animal models. They do it because they believe the ends justifies the means, and they do so within the confines of a convoluted system of ethics designed to make the process as comfortable as possible for the test subjects.

These guidelines are prohibitively convoluted in a great many cases. My wife uses bacteria models because no such guidelines exist to protect the lowly salmonella bacterium. The lab across from her deliberately mutates houseflies because no such ethics guidelines protect insects. If a laboratory is found to be in breach of NIH ethics standards, not only do they lose their funding, the entire university suffers penalties.

Taking this into account, computer models would, by any objective measure, be preferable to animal models. From the perspective of the NIH, it would cost them less to fund individual research grants. From the perspective of the scientists, this would mean a more grant applications getting funded. It would also mean no red tape. No fines. Lower cost. Less time and effort. Less lab space. Less research techs. No dispensing of biological waste. Scientists would be all over a computer model... if it worked.

But it doesn't work.


justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
20. "But it doesn't work."
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:45 AM
Feb 2013

Which is why it is used quite a bit at the University of Oxford. The UK has much more stringent laws when it comes to animal testing than the US and they employ computer simulation and modeling for some of their testing. So, you argument that it doesn't work is bunk.

Granted, I will admit, it doesn't work for everything yet but I sure hope someone is continually working on this to make sure it does.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
15. Some of Peta is well placed
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:05 AM
Feb 2013

Now harming a fly. thats absurd.

but the original Peta message is still there. and like Greenpeace vs Sea Shepherd. one is gonna get something done.

 

RILib

(862 posts)
21. Act_of_Reparation
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:39 AM
Feb 2013

If you want to volunteer yourself as a test subject, go right ahead. You have no right to "volunteer" any other being with thoughts and/or feelings.

I've seen how those "stringent" ethics guidelines work out, from some of the horrible photos smuggled out of Stanford by a worker there, and the state of a dog he rescued and took to a local veterinarian. Unfortunately the dog died.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
22. Can't speak to the cat scenario but to the UW primate lab has had a long history of issues.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:06 AM
Feb 2013

University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI

The University of Wisconsin, Madison is home to the Wisconsin Primate Research Center (WPRC). The center keeps approximately 2,500 primates, including 500 primates confined to isolation cages. Every year, approximately 850 primates are subjected to experiments. The chairman of the animal welfare committee, Eric Sandgren and the universities' Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee (IACUC) have repeatedly been criticized for secrecy, negligence and obstruction; at one point prompting a lawsuit for holding secret meetings. A routine U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) inspection discovered an alarming number of monkeys dying in university approved protocols. For example, in barbaric experiments conducted by Professor Ei Terasawa, drugs were injected directly into conscious primates’ brains using surgically implanted "cranial pedestals" in their skulls. Monkeys were immobilized in restraint chairs for three full days. One monkey died alone in his restraint chair while researchers were at lunch. Professor Harry Harlow conducted the infamous "monster mother" studies there in the 1950's. Baby monkeys were removed from their mothers to be raised by mechanical "monster mothers". [3]

PETA exposed serious conflicts of interest in Professor John Webster’s government funded and industry biased testing of Taser guns on pigs. One study at the university had multiple, paid consultants with ties to the manufacturer of Taser. Only after public pressure did the university remove Taser's medical advisor, John Stratbucker. However, Professor Sandgren has approved Tasor experiments to be conducted on pigs, in spite of the failures of countless other animal experiments to determine safety guidelines. [4]

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
11. Kudos to James. I love anyone who stands up against animal cruelty.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:46 PM
Feb 2013

He has been a long-time crusader for animal rights.

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
17. the he should be protesting PETA
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:04 AM
Feb 2013

the group that kills 90% of the animals coming into their shelter. year after year
PETA can go to hell

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
19. Would often see
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 05:19 AM
Feb 2013

him in LA at protests when w was beating the Iraq war drums. He was always just part of the crowd, marching, carrying signs.

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