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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:46 PM Feb 2013

Initiative Would Shutter California Nuclear Plants For Decades While Feds Ponder Waste

Source: Forbes

California Secretary of State Debra Bowen cleared an initiative Wednesday that would shut down California’s two existing nuclear power plants until the federal government figures out what to do with the used fuel—a process expected to take at least 35 Years.

The initiative (pdf) now moves to the signature collection phase. It needs 504,760 signatures to qualify for the 2014 ballot.

The initiative is sponsored by California’s “Nuclear Terminator,” Ben Davis Jr. who helped write an initiative that shut down the Rancho Seco nuclear plant near Sacramento in 1989.

This is his second attempt to use this strategy to shutter the Diablo Canyon and San Onofre plants. He failed to gather enough signatures for the November ballot after the California Legislative Analyst’s office issued a report saying the iniative could result in rolling blackouts, an assertion that Davis and other supporters of the initiative dispute.

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Read more: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2013/02/08/initiative-would-shutter-california-nuclear-plants-for-decades-while-feds-ponder-waste/



I think this is the initiative's website: http://californianuclearinitiative.com/

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Initiative Would Shutter California Nuclear Plants For Decades While Feds Ponder Waste (Original Post) bananas Feb 2013 OP
If they can assure the voters alternative sources would provide enough power and also help the... freshwest Feb 2013 #1
San Onofre has already been shut down for a year ahimsa Feb 2013 #3
It isn't nearly that simple. FBaggins Feb 2013 #13
I didn't say it was simple ahimsa Feb 2013 #16
Good point Ian Iam Feb 2013 #9
K&R! KoKo Feb 2013 #2
california could be totally nuke free madrchsod Feb 2013 #4
Good news out of California. Hope they try food labeling again. freshwest Feb 2013 #5
I think there is rambling about voter fraud on the food labeling initiative. olddad56 Feb 2013 #14
The corporations put up their initiatives, the citizens should do the same. freshwest Feb 2013 #15
I never know Trascoli Feb 2013 #6
Do a DU search on Diablo Canyon. Quite a history there. freshwest Feb 2013 #10
K & R, n/t AnotherDreamWeaver Feb 2013 #7
Earthquakes + Nukes = Totally Fuku'ed AndyTiedye Feb 2013 #8
Good! silverweb Feb 2013 #11
Good !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #12
I'd bet money they'd be replaced primarily by natural gas plants NickB79 Feb 2013 #17

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
1. If they can assure the voters alternative sources would provide enough power and also help the...
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:11 PM
Feb 2013
green energy industries, large and small in California, it might work this time.

At the very least it might provide a robust debate in the state about this issue.

ahimsa

(426 posts)
3. San Onofre has already been shut down for a year
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:23 PM
Feb 2013

without causing any rolling blackouts. We don't even have to speculate on that one as we know exactly what the effect would be. I sure hope they can get the sigs this time around!

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
13. It isn't nearly that simple.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:15 AM
Feb 2013

Were the peak demand periods as high as they have hit in recent years? Were hydro facilities forced to use more water to close the gap than was added to storage by annual rainfall? Were there plants that delayed maintenance in order to maintain supply? Were older/dirtier backup plants forced to operate? Was power imported to the region in excess of what is normally available?

I don't know the answers to these question... but they point out that you can't just say "well we made it through one cycle without rolling blackouts... obviously we can continue to do it"

ahimsa

(426 posts)
16. I didn't say it was simple
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:58 AM
Feb 2013

Just that it is not theoretical. I'm sure they are also well along in alternative plans in case they are unable to restart San Onofre, which would be just fine with me as we live in its shadow.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
4. california could be totally nuke free
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:31 PM
Feb 2013

solar panels on every building and home and new green friendly transportation system. tens if not hundreds of thousands of new tech and existing job openings. it could have been in the top 5 in the world economy but this was the priority of our country...

http://costofwar.com/state/CA/

remember every 1 dollar spent on the public good returns a minimum 5

military spending returns nothing

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
14. I think there is rambling about voter fraud on the food labeling initiative.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:45 AM
Feb 2013

I had heard that of an NPR affiliate (CPR) recently.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
15. The corporations put up their initiatives, the citizens should do the same.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:48 AM
Feb 2013

I'm hoping that CA can lead the way on several things. Their standards have often been the best on the environment and other issues - or they were in the past.


AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
8. Earthquakes + Nukes = Totally Fuku'ed
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:58 PM
Feb 2013

…and unlike in Japan, the prevailing winds would blow the fallout from the resulting meltdowns into major population centers.

San Onofre is already shut down and we have had plenty of power the whole time, let's keep it shut down.

We won't miss Diabolo Canyon much either.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
12. Good !!!
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:01 PM
Feb 2013

I used to live a couple of miles from Rancho Seco...



On 20 March 1978 a failure of power supply for the plant's non-nuclear instrumentation system led to steam generator dryout. (ref NRC LER 312/78-001). In an ongoing study of "precursors" that could lead to a nuclear disaster if additional failures were to have occurred,[1] in 2005 the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission concluded that this event at Rancho Seco was the third most serious safety-related occurrence in the United States[2] (Behind the Three Mile Island accident and the cable tray fire at Browns Ferry).


And though I lived in the area... I had NO IDEA until recently.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rancho_Seco_Nuclear_Generating_Station

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