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trailmonkee

(2,681 posts)
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:16 AM Feb 2013

Boy killed by carbon monoxide while trying to keep warm

Source: us news

Among the deaths blamed on the gusting winter storm that buried parts of the Northeast under 3 feet of snow was an 11-year-old boy in Boston who was overcome by carbon monoxide while keeping warm in the car.

The boy had been helping his father shovel out the car and got cold, NBC affiliate WHDH of Boston reported. The father started the engine, and the boy got inside, a Boston fire official told the station. But the car’s exhaust pipe was covered by a nearly 4-foot tall snowbank.

“The car filled up with the carbon monoxide gases that weren’t escaping through the exhaust system, and the boy was overcome,” a fire official told WHDH.

The boy's father went into respiratory arrest.

“The father started screaming, ‘He’s not breathing, he’s not breathing,’” a neighbor told WHDH. “So the father brings the little boy into my hallway and lays him on the ground and then he comes back out and collapses.”

Fire officials arrived on the scene to find neighbors performing CPR on the boy. Father and son were transported to the Boston Medical Center, where the boy died. His father was undergoing treatment, WHDH reported.

Read more: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/09/16914027-boy-killed-by-carbon-monoxide-while-trying-to-keep-warm?lite



unbelievably sad...
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Boy killed by carbon monoxide while trying to keep warm (Original Post) trailmonkee Feb 2013 OP
Really sad but also really stupid. MrSlayer Feb 2013 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #2
that's why i posted.... trailmonkee Feb 2013 #3
Not being from an area that gets much snow... Ash_F Feb 2013 #4
Thanks for posting LeftInTX Feb 2013 #5
important to let people know.. in the middle of a personal crisis many people forget things like the Douglas Carpenter Feb 2013 #6
Tragic but understandable nuxvomica Feb 2013 #7
FYI, this can also happen in houses NickB79 Feb 2013 #8
Good advice. Beacool Feb 2013 #10
Tragic, but the father should have known better. Beacool Feb 2013 #9
I had no idea bucolic_frolic Feb 2013 #11
This. Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #13
I know you can't smell carbon monoxide, but a few questions: Ter Feb 2013 #12
This article says he was 14 yrs old, in car 10-15 min. uppityperson Feb 2013 #14
As you die, I believe it feels like falling asleep daleo Feb 2013 #16
Often there are no symptoms Xithras Feb 2013 #20
Saw a guy with his tail pipe covered the other night n a car that had gotten stuck in the snow. Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #15
Let's not be so quick to judge the dad. This could happen any time you back hard into FailureToCommunicate Feb 2013 #17
My heart goes out to the father. How incredibly sad. yardwork Feb 2013 #18
Crushing lesson to learn. truthisfreedom Feb 2013 #19

Response to MrSlayer (Reply #1)

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
4. Not being from an area that gets much snow...
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 03:35 AM
Feb 2013

I have never heard of it totally blocking an exhaust pipe. Makes sense though.

LeftInTX

(25,371 posts)
5. Thanks for posting
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 03:51 AM
Feb 2013

Although I'm from Wisconsin, I was not aware of this. It is something that I will remember and pass along.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
6. important to let people know.. in the middle of a personal crisis many people forget things like the
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:26 AM
Feb 2013

need to keep the exhaust pipes completely open. It might seem stupid of the father. Under normal a situation - he probably would have remembered that. But people don't always carefully think things through in the middle of an unpredictable situation. What a terrible tragedy. So sad for the poor little boy who had a whole life waiting for him. No doubt the father will suffer greatly for the rest of his life for this mistake.

nuxvomica

(12,429 posts)
7. Tragic but understandable
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:43 AM
Feb 2013

When you're tired from shoveling and freezing from the cold, you don't think so well. And that warm car must've been awfully inviting.
This is a sad reminder to listen to your body and think things through when you're out in the cold. And if you're shoveling snow, wear a $20 weightlifting belt. It'll save your back.

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
8. FYI, this can also happen in houses
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:58 AM
Feb 2013

After a big storm, ALWAYS check all your venting pipes around the outside of your house for snow blockages. We had a few huge snowstorms here a couple winters ago, and snowdrifts were blocking the gas venting pipes that run from our water heater and furnace a couple times.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
10. Good advice.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:22 AM
Feb 2013

Most people know about the exhaust pipe issue and they remember it, but most people forget about their home's venting pipes.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
9. Tragic, but the father should have known better.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:19 AM
Feb 2013

Yesterday I spent 45 minutes digging out the car. When I sat in the car and turned it on for a few minutes I made sure to leave the door open. There was still too much snow surrounding the car and I knew that the exhaust pipe was still covered by it. I clearly remember when some years ago two policemen sitting in their patrol car were overcome by the fumes and died. They apparently hadn't realized when they had parked that they had gotten too close to a snow bank and it had covered their exhaust pipe.

My thoughts and prayers are with the family. I can't even imagine how the father is feeling right now.

Rest in peace.

bucolic_frolic

(43,180 posts)
11. I had no idea
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:25 AM
Feb 2013

a blocked exhaust pipe would back up gases into the passenger compartment.

I thought the engine would stall.

Learn something new every day. Very sad for those two, just heartbraking.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
12. I know you can't smell carbon monoxide, but a few questions:
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:40 PM
Feb 2013

Are there any symptoms? I mean, do you start feeling a little faint first? Roughly how long in the car would he have had to been in it?

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
14. This article says he was 14 yrs old, in car 10-15 min.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:30 PM
Feb 2013

Looks like a couple people died from it so far in this snow storm.
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/02/09/boston-boy-dies-carbon-monoxide-poisoning-after-shoveling-out-from-blizzard/jTgqG3MSPPRMy7CrIB7fbM/story.html

The boy was only in the car for 10 to 15 minutes, but the car was covered with snow and the colorless deadly gas could not escape through the muffler, said Jennifer Mehigan, a spokeswoman for Boston EMS.



CO binds with hemoglobin which means it takes a bit of time to get out of your system.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/carbon-monoxide/DS00648/DSECTION=symptoms
Signs and symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning may include:

Dull headache
Weakness
Dizziness
Nausea
Vomiting
Shortness of breath
Confusion
Blurred vision
Loss of consciousnes

daleo

(21,317 posts)
16. As you die, I believe it feels like falling asleep
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:32 PM
Feb 2013

If you get rescued, you have one hell of a headache when you come to. It has to do with carbon monoxide displacing oxygen in red blood cells.

That's what I have heard, at any rate.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
20. Often there are no symptoms
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:48 PM
Feb 2013

It's death by oxygen deprivation. You start to feel tired, but your cognitive abilities also decline rapidly, so you often won't even bother wondering why. Your brain goes into a fog and you lose the motivation to do anything. There have been instances where conscious people stuck in burning buildings have simply sat down to die when an escape was easily accessible. Once the lack of oxygen starts shutting down the brain, our instinctive drive for self preservation goes out the window.

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
15. Saw a guy with his tail pipe covered the other night n a car that had gotten stuck in the snow.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:15 PM
Feb 2013

I warned him and he said that someone was coming for him. My answer was yeah the grim reaper if you keep your car running.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
17. Let's not be so quick to judge the dad. This could happen any time you back hard into
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:01 PM
Feb 2013

a snowbank. Who thinks of getting out and checking the tailpipe? There were four to eight foot drifts all over Eastern Massachusetts, cars covered with deep snow and frigid temps.

There was another young man killed as he sat too long in his running car. Neighbors said he'd been in there a long time...

These both were tragic. Remember to always check on people and tailpipes.

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