they're not more talented than Americans - just CHEAPER

If we have already been manufacturing here for IBM don't we already have the infrastructure and shouldn't it be up to be par? They will never admit their crimes, they will just lie to us like my five year old does....

Mexico now has better schools than the US, and since they can't get enough H-1b visa into the US to fill these high tech jobs.. they are moving to Mexico, because there is such a deep well of talent in these areas of technology that just cannot be found here in the US?

Are they rearranging the chairs on the deck yet?

Color me surprised.

Looks like I won't be buying a computer from International Bowel Movements anytime soon.

They're completely out of the hardware business.

So unless you're a Fortune 500 company using their enterprise services, there's not much you can do.

I am refusing ALL IBM jobs unless they stop contracting out and hire them to be actual employees of IBM.

I know of only *one* guy that works for IBM as an employee in the IT industry, and it's torture for him (he has to be on-call for around the world)

I know exactly how he feels

who still works at IBM, this is her narrative.

She started working there a year after me. We met at my second IBM stint. I started in that dept in 2004, she in 2005, early. We got along great and enjoyed working together.

She posted on FB about a couple of weeks ago that they finally, FINALLY, made her a permanent IBM employee. After SEVEN YEARS of contracting.

Oi. I congratulated her of course. But wow. I really feel like I was climbing the futility pole.

IBM is about the LAST large manufacturing employer in the area.

Rochester and MN should demand that money back to create other employment. It's something that people don't consider in a negative light when they see the jobs and dollars coming in. But these companies do this, make a deal to get breaks that cost municipalities and states. More and more they walk away leaving those areas holding the bag, for pollution, lost jobs and a dislocated working force.

Sorry to be a thread killer, since this is happening in "flyover" country.

The locals should demand the facility, buildings and the grounds be left to the local community to use as they wish. Who knows though?, someone may have been just leasing the lands to IBM and they could be a private land owner.
Minn. may have only benefited from the jobs and the taxes IBM paid local if any.

Out here just outside Houston, last year TI closed a huge facility. The tax revenues that stopped were a 30% revenue loss to the local community.

Minn. may have to take a look at what IBM tax revenues were actually paying for locally and statewide and cut those.

They are planning a huge expansion. This might fit their needs

Mexico,- IBM will invest US$20 million in a strategy named Project XIV, which purpose is maximizing high-tech manufacturing capacities in their Guadalajara Informatics Campus.

“In IBM we are very proud to announce this important investment in Mexico, because it increases exports from this country, promotes Mexican talent, makes this Campus more visible to the world and reinforces the experience obtained throughout 34 years of existence”, Hugo A. Santana Londoño, President and CEO 7 December 09

take a look at the top 100 companies http://www.maquilaportal.com/index.php/page/top100.html

Holy cats.

can't compete with that and those products most are sold to Americans.

Somehow they don't even have to pay any import taxes when products ship from mexico border factories into the USA.

I'd ever seen with electrical plugs in some of the parking lots to keep cars warm.

the place where layoffs didn't happen.

We in RTP would regularly shed jobs, but Rochester just didn't move. They were safe, or so we thought. I wonder of some upper mgmt type for that plant got the heave ho or fell out of favor.

with from 2004-2006 I think are still there. I wrote about one of them above.

They have masters degrees and I didn't, though. I was a far better writer/editor than one them. I was always willing to go back to school to get my grad degree but kept getting laid off. And who wants to take on student debt without the means to pay it back? Catch 22.

edit: typo fixed.

in the 2000s. No more. I work for myself now.

I no longer believe corporate america is where the US's best and brightest should focus their energies.

Edit: My job functions were moved to India. I wrote documentation.

Edit 2: Forgot to mention during that time 1999-2008, my salary flattened after 2004. No raises, despite superior work. The dept was always crying that they didn't have any money for anything, I mean down to don't take too many pens from the supply cabinet. That's when I realized that:

pay =/= work achievement