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kwassa

(23,340 posts)
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 10:53 PM Mar 2013

Hardening of the arteries common in ancient mummies

Source: Washington Post

A new study of 137 mummified bodies, some as old as 3,500 years, found a high prevalence of hardening of the arteries, which often presages heart attack or stroke.

The condition was common in four groups — ancient Egyptians, pre-Columbian people in Peru and Utah, and 19th-century Alaska natives — with different diets and ways of life.

“It kind of casts doubt on — makes us pause and think about — whether we understand risk factors [for cardiovascular disease] as well as we thought we did,” said Randall C. Thompson, a physician at the University of Missouri who headed a research team of 19 cardiologists, radiologists and anthropologists.

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The prevalence of diseased arteries in the mummies is not very different from that seen today, leading the researchers to conclude that cardiovascular disease “is an inherent component of human aging and not characteristic of any specific diet or lifestyle.”

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/hardening-of-the-arteries-common-in-ancient-mummies/2013/03/10/0f164044-883f-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394_story.html

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Hardening of the arteries common in ancient mummies (Original Post) kwassa Mar 2013 OP
Well that pretty much blows the theory about the modern diet hobbit709 Mar 2013 #1
Sturgeon's Law: bemildred Mar 2013 #2
That's correct. Less than 10% of total cholesterol is from diet Warpy Mar 2013 #4
That is one of them, yeah. bemildred Mar 2013 #6
We just switched back to real butter from margarine. Very happy to have done so, too! GreenPartyVoter Mar 2013 #30
Yes because butter has actual flavor Warpy Mar 2013 #34
I ain't feeling so good myself mokawanis Mar 2013 #3
Um, always thought the ancients ate much better than we do now. freshwest Mar 2013 #5
There is a lot of data to suggest that they did before the agricultural revolution Exultant Democracy Mar 2013 #13
But .. But ... I don't want to go Paleo. I don't like meat. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #19
Just keep on with the nuts that grow on trees. You can't go wrong there. And that's Paleo. freshwest Mar 2013 #25
I question that because they were probably on as much of a meat eaters diet as we are the only jwirr Mar 2013 #27
Talking about processing and chemicals - they didn't have as much as we do, is all. freshwest Mar 2013 #29
Bingo. They had very little preservatives. That is a good point. jwirr Mar 2013 #32
hereditory MFM008 Mar 2013 #7
I Think the Point RobinA Mar 2013 #10
Yes, it's the authoritarian attitude based on wrong ideas that needs to go. bemildred Mar 2013 #14
Wouldn't you think they'd be pretty hard after 3500 years? AAO Mar 2013 #8
According To The Article RobinA Mar 2013 #11
Then they really should refer to it as calcification of the artery walls. AAO Mar 2013 #15
LMAO - my thought exactly! Myrina Mar 2013 #17
Or it could be characteristic of people who live in climates dry enough to allow mummification Bossy Monkey Mar 2013 #9
Whose remains were mummified? Andy Stanton Mar 2013 #12
This is exactly what they originally suggested when they first discovered the evidence in Exultant Democracy Mar 2013 #16
Well yes, but also didn't the rich of the ancient to medievel world generally live longer than the MillennialDem Mar 2013 #20
Shh! Quit making sense! :) IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #23
That wouldn't have been true in pre-Columbian and Alaskan groups. sybylla Mar 2013 #28
oh good! CountAllVotes Mar 2013 #18
I'm being cryogenically frozen MillennialDem Mar 2013 #21
really? CountAllVotes Mar 2013 #22
Yes, I'd rather have a chance at life after death than not. Religion, speculation about the MillennialDem Mar 2013 #24
Too much salt? think4yourself Mar 2013 #26
I recall reading a similar article a few years back, but in that case it was about a Chinese GreenPartyVoter Mar 2013 #31
Glad to know its not only me madokie Mar 2013 #33

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
4. That's correct. Less than 10% of total cholesterol is from diet
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 11:11 PM
Mar 2013

Cholesterol is a useful substance that our livers crank out by the bucketful. We need it in order to live. Anti lipid drugs have worked miracles in people with naturally high cholesterol, some well over 300. The jury is out on whether the benefit exceeds the risk in people with normal to high normal readings.

Imagine how vindicated I felt after learning that butter, essentially a stick of pure cholesterol, was less damaging to the system than the trans fats in "healthy" margarines. It seems that a lot of the dietary substitutes turn out to be worse for us in the long run than just eating a varied diet of real foods would have been, butter just being the tastiest of them all.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
6. That is one of them, yeah.
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 11:20 PM
Mar 2013

Most things we like we like because a.) we need them and b.) they are hard to come by in the natural world, like fats and sugars. What is required is moderation and variety, plus extra helpings of the stuff that is easy to find in nature, "eat your vegetables", not abstinence.

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
13. There is a lot of data to suggest that they did before the agricultural revolution
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:01 AM
Mar 2013

After the AR all the indications suggest that overall health declined for the population.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
27. I question that because they were probably on as much of a meat eaters diet as we are the only
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 01:17 PM
Mar 2013

difference is that they had to chase theirs and we go to the grocery store to buy ours. They ate what they could find. This may tell us more about what was available to eat then than it does about the similarities in our health. I think we need to take a good look at the cultures of these societies and see what was occurring then.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
29. Talking about processing and chemicals - they didn't have as much as we do, is all.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 01:29 PM
Mar 2013

Salt, alcohol, vinegar and other spices to make the food last, they had, sure. Were they sometimes forced to eat things that had gone bad or had no nutrtional value, I have no doubt. But not the cornucopia of synthetic additives that make for long shelf-life and things added that aren't really food and have never been seen before in history. Our modern processing and industrialization has gone beyond anything they could have eaten. We may get less parasites in our food than they did, but their food was digestable. It's said by some that if an insect won't eat something, or it never goes bad, it's not really food, you know?


MFM008

(19,818 posts)
7. hereditory
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 01:08 AM
Mar 2013

what could have ancients have eaten that was so bad? meat I guess, has to be a weakness in the genes.

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
10. I Think the Point
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 08:34 AM
Mar 2013

is that it isn't bad eating or "weakness," it's NORMAL. The body ages, stuff doesn't work as well as it used to.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
14. Yes, it's the authoritarian attitude based on wrong ideas that needs to go.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:03 AM
Mar 2013

Snotty life-style criticisms designed to keep oneself well-off and employed helping people whose problems are not really fixable.

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
11. According To The Article
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 08:46 AM
Mar 2013

its the presence of calcium in the arteries that suggests hardening during the person's lifetime, not how hard his arteries are at the time of autopsy.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
15. Then they really should refer to it as calcification of the artery walls.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:04 AM
Mar 2013

But you know I was just being a smart-ass anyway.

Bossy Monkey

(15,863 posts)
9. Or it could be characteristic of people who live in climates dry enough to allow mummification
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 08:04 AM
Mar 2013

Can't really jump to conclusions based on these premises.

Andy Stanton

(264 posts)
12. Whose remains were mummified?
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 09:50 AM
Mar 2013

Those of the rich, of course.
The rich could afford to eat lots of tasty meat and fatty foods.
And they paid for it in the end.

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
16. This is exactly what they originally suggested when they first discovered the evidence in
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:04 AM
Mar 2013

Egyptian mummies. It seems fairly probably because even today we find populations that have far fewer problems. Look at the Japanese vs the US.

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
20. Well yes, but also didn't the rich of the ancient to medievel world generally live longer than the
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 11:29 AM
Mar 2013

poor?

sybylla

(8,526 posts)
28. That wouldn't have been true in pre-Columbian and Alaskan groups.
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 01:20 PM
Mar 2013

They were mummified purely because that was the environment they were "buried" in. The bodies did not rot but instead dessicated.

So this would have cut across the whatever socio-economic lines there were in the society.

CountAllVotes

(20,878 posts)
22. really?
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 11:32 AM
Mar 2013

Do you really care to be around in such a bizarre state?

Welcome to the Democratic Underground btw!



 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
24. Yes, I'd rather have a chance at life after death than not. Religion, speculation about the
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 11:59 AM
Mar 2013

afterlife aside.

I am agnostic on those issues.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,381 posts)
31. I recall reading a similar article a few years back, but in that case it was about a Chinese
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 02:03 PM
Mar 2013

noblewoman's remains.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
33. Glad to know its not only me
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 02:39 PM
Mar 2013

I know it sucks to not be able to do what I used to do with vigor. Now its to the point that I'm dead tired just walking to the shop, long before I try to do something. I've got a couple projects that are in the incomplete stage that needs to be finished but I just can't seem to get the strength up to do it.
The doctor tells me it's all those vices I used to have that done me in, looks like he may not know what the hell he's talking about after all. Of course I suspected that anyway

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