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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 11:50 PM Mar 2013

Salvadorans urge sainthood for martyred archbishop

Source: Associated Press

Mar 24, 4:07 PM EDT
Salvadorans urge sainthood for martyred archbishop
By MARCOS ALEMAN
Associated Press

SAN SALVADOR, El Salvador (AP) -- Salvadorans marched through the streets of San Salvador on Palm Sunday to honor the slain Archbishop Oscar Arnulfo Romero and express hope the new Pope Francis will advance him along the path to sainthood.

~snip~

Church leaders say they believe Francis' accession to the papacy will help their effort to win beatification and eventual sainthood for Romero, who was killed after his increasingly strident defense of Central American nation's poor and denunciations of government violence. His killing was one of the triggers that set off a civil war that left nearly 90,000 people dead or missing over the next 12 years.

"We are more hopeful that at last Romero will be beatified. He is a martyr. He is a saint," said Lucia Escalante, a retired schoolteacher of 65 who attended the Mass at the hospital which treats patients with terminal cancer.

"They killed Romero for defending the weakest, the poorest, for saying the truth, for denouncing injustice, and he is a martyr of the church," she said.

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/L/LT_EL_SALVADOR_REMEMBERING_ROMERO?SECTION=HOME&SITE=AP&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT



School of the Americas:
School of Assassins, USA

[center] " We routinely had Latin American students at the School of the Americas (SOA)
who were known human rights abusers, and it didn't make any difference to us."


Major Joseph Blair (retired), former SOA instructor[/center]

Graduates of the SOA have been among the most repressive tyrants in Latin America, and their actions have been some of the most cruel and violent. In El Salvador, in 1989, a Salvadoran army patrol executed six Jesuit priests as they lay face-down on the ground at Central America University. According to the United Nation's Truth Commission Report on El Salvador in 1993, 19 of the 27 officers who took part in the executions were trained at the SOA.

In 1990, in El Salvador, populist Archbishop Oscar Romero was assassinated. Three-quarters of the Salvadoran officers implicated in the killing were trained at the SOA. Roberto D'Aubuison, the late leader of El Salvador's Death Squad, was implicated in the plot to assassinate Archbishop Romero. He also participated in numerous murders, including a massacre in the village of El Mazote, where more than 900 men, women, and children were killed. He graduated from SOA as well.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/SOA/SOA.html
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Salvadorans urge sainthood for martyred archbishop (Original Post) Judi Lynn Mar 2013 OP
I am surprised the church did not move on this years ago. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #1
there is a time frame BainsBane Mar 2013 #3
5 years but that can be dispensed. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #4
Romero was a Jesuit as I recall cyclezealot Mar 2013 #20
I love the idea BainsBane Mar 2013 #2
From google it says they have to determine if you have lead a heroic life and also some hrmjustin Mar 2013 #5
Okay, here BainsBane Mar 2013 #6
If they found a person that was healed of a sickness that is not explainable by modern science. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #7
Well, the last two popes BainsBane Mar 2013 #8
My denomination celebrates him in our calendar. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #9
You're Episcopal, right? BainsBane Mar 2013 #10
Well the Book of common prayer was written in 1979 so it was before his death so you will not see it hrmjustin Mar 2013 #11
So Romero is designated a martyr? BainsBane Mar 2013 #12
Saint does not mean the same thing in the Anglican/Episcopal view point compared to the Roman hrmjustin Mar 2013 #13
That's interesting BainsBane Mar 2013 #14
Your welcome! hrmjustin Mar 2013 #15
Astounding courage, dignity revealed in Archbishop Romero's last speech: Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #16
Essential information re: the Archbishop's funeral, used for a massacre. Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #17
That village where the massacre took place is correctly spelled El Mozote. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #18
Good grief! Of all the people one could meet, "Blowtorch Bob" must be the worst! Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #22
Forgot to mention the shame felt in learning those two union people you met Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #23
Video: Massacre in El Salvador during Oscar Romero's funeral Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #19
even better would be if church would reject right wing bastards around the world. DLnyc Mar 2013 #21
You've got that right. The church needs to cleanse itself. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #24
Just discovered Raul Julia's portrayal of Archbishop Romero is available on YouTube Judi Lynn Mar 2013 #25

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
3. there is a time frame
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 11:55 PM
Mar 2013

The person has to be dead for a certain number of years. There also needs to be evidence of miracles. I don't know where that stands. They are fewer and fewer Saints named these days because few believe in miracles, and the standard for what qualifies as a miracle seems more rigorous in our current age.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
4. 5 years but that can be dispensed.
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 11:57 PM
Mar 2013

I am just shocked there has been no real movement on this. He is a revered figure throughout the world.

cyclezealot

(4,802 posts)
20. Romero was a Jesuit as I recall
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 02:24 AM
Mar 2013

Pope John Paul II did not like Jesuits. He sided with Opus Dei. Opus Dei was friendly with Spain's Franco. One side of the Catholic Church is in support of the poor. Its other face is obsessed with Anti Communism and the CIA and the Vatican Bank work together in causes they have in common. Time will tell if Pope Francis is serious about the teachings of the saint's whose name he took.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
2. I love the idea
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 11:53 PM
Mar 2013

but the Church has rules about how long a person has been dead and that miracles need to have occurred surrounding the deceased.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
5. From google it says they have to determine if you have lead a heroic life and also some
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:11 AM
Mar 2013

miracles must be attributed to the person deceased person asking God for the miracle. The three states are venerable, beautified, and canonized.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
6. Okay, here
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:16 AM
Mar 2013

"Saint" (contracted "St" or "S.&quot To be canonized a saint, at least two miracles must have been performed through the saint's intercession after his or her death (i.e., an additional miracle after that granting beatification)"

So people would have to pray to Romero and ask him to intercede on their behalf to bring something to pass. Is that it? But how would it be considered a miracle?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
7. If they found a person that was healed of a sickness that is not explainable by modern science.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:20 AM
Mar 2013

The church has their methods for determining this. They do have what is called the devil's advocate who is the clergyman who has to ask all the really hard questions. My surprise is that by now he should be at least venerable.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
8. Well, the last two popes
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:22 AM
Mar 2013

haven't been fans of Liberation Theology. Nor is Francis, but he appears more promising. We'll have to see.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
11. Well the Book of common prayer was written in 1979 so it was before his death so you will not see it
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:29 AM
Mar 2013

in the book, but several national churches of the World Wide Anglican Communion including the Church of England and the Episcopal Church. Like any observance when mass or the daily office is said if there is something on the calendar they usually preach on the person and say a collect of the saints or martyrs.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
13. Saint does not mean the same thing in the Anglican/Episcopal view point compared to the Roman
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:47 AM
Mar 2013

Catholic one. There is no set doctrine, and most of the people we refer to as a saint are people canonized before the reformation with a few exceptions. The Church of England has only canonized one person in it's history and that is King Charles the first. Many people believe the old biblical view that saint meant believer. It was a member of the faith living or dead. That was the view of the very early church but that changed as time went on. The Episcopal Diocese of Washington DC had a ceremony canonizing Martin Luther King but that was more ceremonial. We have no process for such a thing. If we declare a person a martyr or confessor it is because there is just consensus to do that. Romero is a martyr so he is listed as one in the updated calendar of the church.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
16. Astounding courage, dignity revealed in Archbishop Romero's last speech:
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 01:51 AM
Mar 2013

Archbishop Oscar Romero
The Last Sermon (1980)

~snip~

I would like to make a special appeal to the men of the army, and specifically to the ranks of the National Guard, the police and the military. Brothers, you come from our own people. You are killing your own brother peasants when any human order to kill must be subordinate to the law of God which says, "Thou shalt not kill." No soldier is obliged to obey an order contrary to the law of God. No one has to obey an immoral law. It is high time you recovered your consciences and obeyed your consciences rather than a sinful order. The church, the defender of the rights of God, of the law of God, of human dignity, of the person, cannot remain silent before such an abomination. We want the government to face the fact that reforms are valueless if they are to be carried out at the cost of so much blood. In the name of God, in the name of this suffering people whose cries rise to heaven more loudly each day, I implore you, I beg you, I order you in the name of God: stop the repression.

More:
http://www.haverford.edu/relg/faculty/amcguire/romero.html

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
17. Essential information re: the Archbishop's funeral, used for a massacre.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 02:07 AM
Mar 2013

A Report from Romero's Funeral
James L. Connor
From April 26, 1980

he U.S. Government's official position toward El Salvador is badly misguided. Of that I am now convinced. Prior to March 30, I would not have said this so confidently. But that day I got a fresh perspective on the question as I huddled with 4,000 terrified peasants inside San Salvador's cathedral while bombs exploded and bullets whistled outside in the plaza where we had gathered to celebrate the funeral of Archbishop Oscar Romero.
……

The funeral ceremonies started calmly on a beautiful, but hot day. A procession of some 30 bishops (from England, Ireland, Spain, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Ecuador, Peru, Venezuela, Honduras, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Panama, Costa Rica and the United States) and more than 200 priests wound its way through eight or ten blocks of the city from the church where we had vested to the cathedral. Hundreds of people lined the sidewalks, many of them listening to a radio broadcast of the event on their transistor radios. We had been assured that the day would be peaceful and free of "events." The Popular Front, including the far left, had covenanted to observe nonviolence in honor of the archbishop, and it seemed unthinkable that the hard-line right would desecrate this moment unless first provoked.

At first, all went as promised. The bishops and clergy processed into the cathedral through a side door, went out the front door to salute the altar set up in front of the cathedral, and then moved to our assigned places. The clergy remained inside the front door of the cathedral while the bishops stood outside on the altar platform and faced the square. The entire plaza was filled in of more than 100,000 persons, and thousands more spilled over into the side streets leading to it.

All went peacefully through a succession of prayers, readings, hymns until the moment in his homily when Cardinal Ernesto Corripio Ahumada of Mexico, the personal delegate of Pope John Paul II, began to praise Archbishop Romero as a man of peace and a foe of violence. Suddenly, a bomb exploded at the far edge of the plaza, seemingly in front of the National Palace, a government building. Next, gun shots, sharp and clear, echoed off the walls surrounding the plaza. At first, the cardinal's plea for all to remain calm seemed to have a steadying impact. But as another explosion reverberated, panic took hold and the crowd broke ranks and ran. Some headed for the side streets, but thousands more rushed up the stairs and fought their way into the cathedral.

More:
http://americamagazine.org/issue/100/report-romeros-funeral

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
18. That village where the massacre took place is correctly spelled El Mozote.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 02:19 AM
Mar 2013

The Salvadoran army killed about 900 civilians there in 1981, I think it was.

I actually met D'Aubuison during the 1984 presidential campaign in El Salvador. He had creepy snake eyes.

I met some union leaders there, too. Daniel Lopez Melendez and Febe Velasquez. They got blown up later.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
22. Good grief! Of all the people one could meet, "Blowtorch Bob" must be the worst!
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 03:10 AM
Mar 2013

That's something you might not want to tell any small children before they go to sleep!
Wow.

Yes, that guy has always looked creepy in his photos, too. It must have creeped you out.

[center][/center]
Have seen references to Roberto, Jr., too, for years, a Senator, now:

[center]



Creepy chip off the old sadistic block.[/center]
Don't forget Blowtorch Bob's old friend in the U.S. Senate, mega racist Jesse Helms:


Wiki:

~snip~
Upon the Republican takeover of the Senate, Helms also became chairman of the Subcommittee on Western Hemisphere Affairs, promising to "review all our policies on Latin America", of which he had been severely critical under Carter.[171] He immediately focused on the escalating civil war in El Salvador, and particularly preventing Nicaraguan and Cuban support for guerrillas in El Salvador.[172] Within hours, the subcommittee approved military aid to El Salvador,[171] and later led the push to cut aid to Nicaragua.[173] Helms was assisted in pursuing the foreign policy realignment by John Carbaugh, whose influence the New York Times said "[rivalled] many of [the Senate's] more visible elected members".[174][175]

In El Salvador, Helms had close ties with the right-wing Salvadoran Nationalist Republican Alliance and its leader and death squad founder Roberto D'Aubuisson.[176][177][178] Helms said, "If I had found even one credible link between D'Aubuisson and the so-called 'death squads' ... I'd repudiate him instantly."[179] Helms opposed the appointment of Thomas R. Pickering as Ambassador to El Salvador.[179] alleged that the CIA had interfered in the Salvadoran election March and May 1984, in favor of the incumbent centre-left José Napoleón Duarte instead of D'Aubuisson,[180] claiming that Pickering had "used the cloak of diplomacy to strangle freedom in the night".[179] A CIA operative testifying to the Senate Intelligence Committee was alleged by Helms to have admitted rigging the election, but senators that attended have stated that, whilst the CIA operative admitted involvement, they did not make such an admission.[180] Helms disclosed details of CIA financial support for Duarte, earning a rebuke from Barry Goldwater, but Helms replied that his information came from sources in El Salvador, not the Senate committee.[181]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Helms

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
23. Forgot to mention the shame felt in learning those two union people you met
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 03:15 AM
Mar 2013

were murdered also by the right-wing.

Senseless, sadistic, evil. Typical right-wing behavior. In time the entire world is going to wake up. Lucky the people who will live to see it.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
19. Video: Massacre in El Salvador during Oscar Romero's funeral
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 02:19 AM
Mar 2013

Massacre in El Salvador during Oscar Romero's funeral

DLnyc

(2,479 posts)
21. even better would be if church would reject right wing bastards around the world.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 02:39 AM
Mar 2013

That would make the Catholic Church worth something. And bring it a little closer to the teachings of the Gospels. IMHO.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
25. Just discovered Raul Julia's portrayal of Archbishop Romero is available on YouTube
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 03:38 AM
Mar 2013

in 11 parts, the first one starting here:



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