"My little boy would NE-VER do anything like that!"

And he probably has a police record longer than my arm...

for him or for me.

...either she is lying big-time or the mother who was shot and whose son was killed made some terrible mistake/misjudgement/lied about identifying De’Marquise. And while I was thinking about that, it occurred to me that the police investigation is playing a heavy role in who gets arrested or not, regardless of who the mother ID's. The police said yesterday that the information they have from the investigation so far throws a great deal of doubt on his aunt's story.

I have no knowledge of what his mother's alabi/statement was, just his aunt's. The aunt's account was quite detailed and placed him with her during the time frame of the shooting.

I think it's pretty reasonable to suspect two things: There were likely other witnesses and (maybe more importantly) anyone who's going to casually execute a toddler with a bullet in the face is probably going to go around bragging about it...because that's about the mentality I imagine of someone who would commit what has got to be just about the most heinous crime you can think of.

IIRC, the toddler may have been shot several times in his face. A baby. I can't even wrap my mind around that.

PB

alleged accomplice rolled on the 17 year old. That combined with the mother's id and other witnesses seeing a car leave the scene will probably be enough.

I can't believe providing an alibi for such an act. If it is the case that they lied to the police, I hope they are prosecuted to the fullest extent.

I also can't imagine providing an alibi, especially for a crime that heinous.

PB

and a witness to the crime and implicating Elkins (the 17 year old) as the shooter. She's also trying to make it sound like her son is a victim in all this too.

and turned her nephew in.

Of course, now she's being threatened as a 'snitch.'

The younger suspect, btw, was turned in by his aunt, and he had a gun on him.

I'm not surprised she received threats. If they're threats for helping to move justice forward in the matter of the execution of an infant, they're threats from animals.

PB

and one of them has been identified by the baby's mother. They just have to defend themselves in court regardless of what members in their family claims. You never know what individuals will do. If they took the life of this baby, than they need to face the consequences of their actions just like Zimmerman. It has nothing to do with race at all. I'm more inclined to believe the baby's mother because she had close range contact with the assailants and the circumstantial evidence of the younger kid's Aunt. If he didn't have a gun, then he should have showed his Aunt the contents of what he had. And I have a feeling this was gang related after being threatened by three teenagers, when I refused letting them enter my residence. They had no respect for authority and got violent, even threatening to shoot me, because they certainly couldn't overpower me. They threw things at the house and took off running before I called the police. You got kids today running around in gangs, thinking they can terrorize anybody they see fit if they don't get their way. A lot of it comes from the parents lack of supervision also. Now I can handle myself but when it gets to guns, everything escalates, and somebody will be seriously injured or dead. The police needs to do their jobs and so does the entire community. I would not be using race to defend anybody, even my own relatives. They are causing problems for everybodyelse. If they did it, I hope they get what they deserve.

That there's NO WAY they would arrest the mother or aunt for giving the police false statements in this way?

I mean, MAAAAYBE they might go after them AFTER the kid was convicted, but they would be given the benefit of the doubt until such time as it was proven in a court of law that they must have lied.

But because they're black and almost certainly poor/unable to afford good lawyers ... they're swooping them up too.

Don't get me wrong, I think you SHOULD have to be honest with police, esp. when we're talking about a murder investigation. But I rarely hear about people getting arrested for a FELONY ... when they provide a SUSPECTED 'false alibi' for a close family member.

They're very obviously trying to put the thumbscrews down on this family, and as heinous as this crime is (as was said above, just about THE MOST heinous crime I can think of), I'm not sure I really 'approve' of this kind of approach, esp. when I'm positive they wouldn't do this if they knew the family could afford decent lawyers.

We're talking about people who are alleged to have committed attempted murder of a mother and executed a baby in a stroller, here.

Get a grip.

I read a bit about how the case was progressing yesterday and the various articles indicated the police had more information than they were giving out. From the police's response to the aunt yesterday, which was almost calling bullshit on her alibi, I have a feeling there's more information the police have access to, that the news media currently does not.

PB

and got busted doing so, yes they would get tagged.

High profile case means no tolerance for that kind of stuff.

got away from prosecution for a false alibi?

A white woman provided a false alibi and is being prosecuted for it (http://thesouthern.com/news/local/prelim-arraignment-waived-for-candace-brown/article_fc48acb0-2969-11e2-9c94-001a4bcf887a.html)

Another white woman being prosecuted.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/12/26/Girlfriend-accused-of-false-alibi-arrested/UPI-94941356555523/

Three white family members being prosecuted (suspect is white so making an assumption)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/three-marylanders-charged-with-creating-false-alibi-for-family-member/2011/06/11/AG7W8IQH_blog.html

saying it was she who was home and did internet searches on chorophyll when she was proven to actually be at work today.
She also recanted that she thought it smelled like a dead body in the car, and it appears that she was most likely the one who washed the car trunk also before forensics took it away. She covered up that murder better than her daughter did, and everybody knew it.
But since it was her grandchild murdered, they let the perjury charge go.

If you lie like this to protect someone, it's a serious felony. Multiple serious felonies, in fact. Yes, you will get arrested, tried and jail time. If they can prove you are lying, which they can in this case. You've got obstruction and aiding and abetting after the fact.

This is a murder investigation. They intend to close it and convict, and there was not a shadow of a chance that they wouldn't roll over every stone in the county to do it.

Assuming this is somehow racist doesn't even make sense. Brunswick is majority black, and most of the city officials are going to be black. Here, for example, is the police chief:
http://www.brunswickpolice.org/AssociatedDocuments/Media_Rel_Apr_25.pdf

This may astound and amaze some, but black police chiefs in GA are not in favor of shooting babies, nor of lying to protect those who do, nor of helping to hide the weapon involved.

Tell you what, this crime is so bizarre and extreme it has NOTHING to do with race. Now when it comes to a jury trial, the jury's going to cut the mom some slack, because her horror and desire to protect her son is at least humanly comprehensible.

You arrest somebody when you have evidence that a person or persons have broken the law. There is no reason to wait. The aunt and mother will have their say in court. I have no problem with making an arrest for somebody lying to the police.

Massive dysfunction.

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Freedom, but sometimes it is best to hold back because giving such "unusual" names can cause issues in later life. They shouldn`t but they do.

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Ask 100 people if they think Mike, Michelle, Nancy, Harry etc are odd or unusual names (from this societies standpoint) and you will find 99 do not.

You sound color centric.

But then again trying to be self-aware maybe there is some unconscious colour centric issue. But I aspire to be like you with no bias's at all - conscious or unconscious.

Keep digging.

did I say every AA is poor, or every white person is rich. It is a well acknowledged problem in the US (and western society in general) that there is wealth and income inequality and it is not racially balanced. So more AA's (as a % of their community) are in lower socio economic categories than say whites or Asians. That is an unfortunate fact, what is your issue with my stating it?

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and have been in the US 7 years. I became a US citizen in 2011 so I could vote in the 2012 election.

Don't let the race issues get you down. Many DU'ers read too much into peoples aspirations when they post. I too am from the UK originally and happen to live in Brunswick, Georgia where this crime took place. I look at the data and understand the social economic conditions without regard to skin color. The sad truth is that the project area downtown is like a war zone with drugs, gangs, prostitution and drive bys. Those neighborhoods are sadly African American. That's just a simple fact. The other side of the coin is that Brunswick was also where the Georgia trailer park murder took place. So we have white and black extreme poverty here. Poor social economic conditions are the real root cause in my mind.

One other thing police chief Matt Doering always holds his cards very close to his chest. He seems very smart and also seems to get to the bottom of these cases and catch the persons who did it. I think they have the right boys as they actually had them in custody by checking school records and other info before the mother identified them. So they obviously have other info on them thats not been released at this time.

This crime has shocked the community here and I've seen many people openly weeping for poor little Antonio who never got a chance at life. It's just so sad.

A couple of things I would like to add also is that one can see the Facebook page of the accused and see all the people who are attempting to support the killer. It speaks volumes about what is wrong with our country. His friends list reads like a who's who of local gangsters with over 800 friends. I personally would like to see the local police looking more closely into some of his friends actions as they openly confess they are gangsters and about getting money any way they can.

A criticism I would have of the police here as well as across the country is that police in general tend to just sit roadside giving out traffic citations. That is all I ever see here. They should be cruising the neighborhoods and protecting citizens from violent crimes such as these. RIP little Antonio Angel Santiago.

I agree with you, as I stated before it is socioeconomic and unfortunately that is disproportionately minorities. I can see the criticism that some liberals do read too much into "racial" comments sometimes. I prefer to think that Liberals are open for a full discussion of facts, however unpalatable or unfortunate they may be. That is the only way to fix things for the better and get better public policy.

She was supposed to be named "Orpah" who was the sister of Ruth in the Bible. I was told by a cultural historian that worked for the Smithsonian that unique names and spellings of names goes back to slaves brought from Africa. They either had no surnames or took the surnames of their owners, so each child was given a unique first name. It may seem goofy to Anglos, but it's perfectly normal in African American culture.

Barack Hussein Obama

That's an unusual name, didn't seem to hurt him any!



PB

Dweezil, Moon Unit, Diva, and Ahmet Emuukha Rodan.

Agreed it did the President (or Bobby Jindal) no harm, but one or two cases does not make a trend. Look at the bigger picture, people with unusual names (typically taken as some Black Liberation type thing) does not usually bode well for the child. I want all children to do well, so why burden them with names that society as a whole will (unfortunately) "hold" against them? There have been studies that involved sending in to employers equivalent resumes sent in with different names (your more "typical" names and then these odd names) and there was clearly bias shown. Should bias have been shown - NO. But we are living in the real world and if you want the best for your child there are plenty of names - hell even Mitt and Willard are odd names I would not have chosen, but as I said having money helps.

"blackety blackety black black black."

That is just a fact - just as there are plenty of AA's who have "typical" names like Gerald, Toni. I suspect it is more socio-economic and unfortunately AA's are disproportionately poor. Someone brought up our President's name, lets bring up the first ladies - Michelle.

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but he is a prick for many reasons!
We can pick out plenty of "famous" people who have "odd" names, just as we can pick plenty who have "typical" names. What does that get us?

Mike's racism is showing.

Is it racist to point out socio economic differences and how they are not racially balanced? This is why people generally keep quiet because if they say something you don`t like they get called names quickly.

And before you cry racism, look at comment 5 which you could construe as anti-white (I don`t but if you are so minded you can see racism everywhere) and it was quickly debunked later on with links.

with "What is it with these bizarre first names?" That is implied racism, if not blatantly racist.

I hear all the time "you can sure tell the color of their skin, just listen to those names".

and it wasn`t my intention.

However as for the statement you quoted about "just listen to those names", even if the people making that comment are racists (in their actions and thoughts) it does not mean the statement is actually incorrect. I would suspect that the name "De’Marquise" or "D'Shaun" (child in my daughters K class) is the name of an African American and not a white person. No judgement, just a fact. So the statement that you can tell the color of skin from the name might be right.
Whereas a person with the name Michelle couldn`t be told if they were black or white without meeting them.

having come from the UK to North Carolina I see alot more "odd" names. Going back to Ohio where my wife is from, I can tell (anecdotal of course) that it changes. As I said it is more socioeconomic and the south (in large part) is poorer.

What is it with these inane, sub-literate, half-educated questions based wholly on subjective tastes which have zero relevance to the actual issues?

What compelled you to want to make an issue of it on a message board?

Extremely odd response to a very serious story, and it is unavoidably conspicuously racist. Everyone knows that.

If you had the sense to be ashamed, you would NEVER have considered trying to make an issue of the names someone gave them. Disgusting.

but does that stop other points being raised? I thought free expression was allowed.

One might indeed look at the actual relevance of any other points being raised, and then contrast that with the actual purpose being served by the question.

"I thought free expression was allowed."
It most certainly is, regardless of how irrelevant that expression is, regardless of how much time it wastes, regardless of the lack of sincerity of the questioner, regardless of the lack of weight, purpose or bearing of the question. Yes, free expression is allowed.

Everyone should read Freakonomics.

As in, I'm sure what relevance their names have to this.

him, going on about how their little boy couldn't do such a thing.

Rotten fruit from a rotten tree.

Now we can feel much more confident about this arrest.

...how the police used information from witnesses, members of the family, etc. to start piecing together something which would hold up in court. Especially the witness who saw Elkins in the back of his younger accomplice's aunt's car, corroborating his accomplice's aunt's story about his suspicious behavior.

UPDATED: Two Teenagers Arrested; 13-Month-Old Baby Fatally Shot In The Face While On Stroll With Mother
Then from the story rollin74 just posted (the one you replied to), it looks like once police got the mother and the aunt in there, they admitted everything they knew in an attempt to get put away for a long time.

They seemed to know where the murder weapon was stashed and that's exceptionally disturbing if it turns out to be true.

That would make them all heavy-duty accomplices to an amazingly heinous crime.

PB

and no other reason.

This story makes me physically ill.

It does.

It's hard even to wrap your mind around this crime. That half the family ends up in jail is even worse.

I feel sorry for the aunt that had to turn the kids in, etc.

What a sorry tale of human misery.

Somehow she thought she could get away with that.

Lock her up for life too.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Teens-indicted-in-Ga-toddler-slaying-17-year-old-indicted-in-2nd-shooting/-/475880/19490264/-/item/1/-/3rqttkz/-/index.html

Meanwhile, their scumbag lawyer wants access to Sherry Hunt's medical records for evidence of mental illness.

No way. Some time might be warranted, but that's way over the top.

The shooters though are menaces to society. I hope they get really long terms.

the fact, and illegal possession of a firearm by a felon.

We don't know whether she gave him the weapon or if she just helped him hide it.

Either way, she's scum just like he is, and society would be better served without her in it.