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TexasTowelie

(112,170 posts)
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:26 AM Mar 2013

Cypriot Banks to Open After Two Weeks as Customers Hunt Cash

Source: Bloomberg

Cyprus’s banks are preparing to open their doors today for the first time in almost two weeks, with new rules curbing access to the cash some customers have been struggling to find for food and bills.

The Central Bank of Cyprus’s capital controls will include a 300-euro ($383) daily limit on withdrawals and restrictions on transfers to accounts outside the country. Banks will open at midday and close at 6 p.m. local time, Yiangos Dimitriou, head of the central bank’s audit department, said yesterday in comments broadcast on state-run CyBC television.

“I only bought a few small items during these days to survive,” said pensioner Kyriakos Hadjisophocleos, 65, waiting on a bench in front of a Bank of Cyprus branch in Nicosia since 7:30 a.m. to get money to pay part of his 380-euro rent. “I had many coins saved up so I was using them. If the banks didn’t open today I would have had to borrow from some friends.”

Cyprus’s lenders have been closed since March 16, when the European Union presented a proposal to force losses on all depositors in exchange for a 10 billion-euro bailout. That plan touched off protests and political upheaval on the island, and was rejected by the country’s parliament. A subsequent agreement shuts Cyprus Popular Bank Pcl (CPB), the second-largest lender, and imposes larger losses on uninsured depositors.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-27/cypriot-banks-to-open-for-first-time-in-2-weeks-with-cash-curbs.html

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Cypriot Banks to Open After Two Weeks as Customers Hunt Cash (Original Post) TexasTowelie Mar 2013 OP
Whilst I appreciate the harshness of these measures dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #1
It's easier to set up daily limits than weekly ones muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #2
When I asked what my limit was, dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #3
Well, this was back in the 90s muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #6
Our CU allows us a $1000 daily limit... Earth_First Mar 2013 #4
And at this point. sendero Mar 2013 #5

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
1. Whilst I appreciate the harshness of these measures
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:41 AM
Mar 2013

I'm wondering how many do in fact need to withdraw more than €300 a day in cash on a daily basis ? The capital controls affect electronic movement outside of Cyprus but not internally so presumably there are no issues with companies paying their staff.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
2. It's easier to set up daily limits than weekly ones
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 06:37 AM
Mar 2013

ATMs are often already set up with a daily limit (some years ago, I found out mine was £250, which caused me a lot of hassle when I wanted to get some money out for a holiday). Programming them to have a weekly one as well might not be possible in a short time, while changing the daily limit should be quick and reliable, You don't want to force people to go to the bank every day, so you use a daily limit that allows an average person to go a few days, even in a cash-only economy. Others may be running small businesses, and €300 might well be needed on many days. Not everyone gets paid into a bank account.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
3. When I asked what my limit was,
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 06:52 AM
Mar 2013

allowing for the fact I don't think you can key in more than £400 on one go, the answer was £600 on each account. They said to do two lots of £300 consecutively. That was a one off anyway - dosh to go to Cuba with.

From a note in the Guardian updates today its looks like some in Cyprus are opening new accounts at cooperative banks with the intention of transferring entire accounts to those out of Laiki. The capital controls don't seem to affect internals movements - just cash withdrawals.

My money would be on them coming out of the Euro later this year and going back to the Cyprus Pound. You'd mentioned before that doing that would allow them to devalue and doing so would help restore tourism to its previous levels.

"small businesses, and €300 might well be needed on many days" Yes - particularly if as is the case at present their own supplier may only accept cash. Petrol filling stations were having that problem some days back.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
6. Well, this was back in the 90s
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:45 AM
Mar 2013

but it was a hard daily limit. When the machine refused to give me more, even with a second insertion of the card, I went inside. Where they also refused to give me any more. What was really annoying was that I had, at home, a old copy of the account T&Cs that said the limit was £500, which I had bothered to check before going out; but they had, at some later time, decreased it. I had to go back home and get a photo-id to end up being able to get myself enough holiday money. I moved my account not long after.

Getting out of the Euro - yes, Paul Krugman has written that that would be the best solution for them, economically, but whether it's politically doable, I don't know. A cunning Cypriot government that's good at negotiating might be able to persuade the rest of the eurozone to help it out a bit more, hanging the threat of leaving over them (because it does look a bit embarrassing for a country to be better off outside than in). But what will be possible in practice, I just can't tell.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
4. Our CU allows us a $1000 daily limit...
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 06:58 AM
Mar 2013

Of course I can count the amount of times I've ever needed to withdraw 1K on three fingers, but it's good to know in the event of an emergency.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
5. And at this point.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:13 AM
Mar 2013

... there will be a "controlled run" on the bank for the foreseeable future. Folks will be moving out every Euro that they can.

I really think dinging the depositors, even the fat cat depositors, was a spectacularly bad idea and I think it will have repercussions all over Europe for a long time/

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