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Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 06:02 AM Mar 2013

Bank of Cyprus big savers to lose up to 60 percent

Source: AP

NICOSIA, Cyprus (AP) — A Central Bank official and a senior Finance Ministry technocrat says that Bank of Cyprus savers with over 100,000 euros could take losses of up to 60 percent.

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they're not authorized to publicly discuss details of the issue, said Saturday that deposits over 100,000 at the country's largest lender will lose 37.5 percent of their value after being converted into bank shares.

They said they could lose up to 22.5 percent more, depending on an assessment by officials who will determine the exact figure aimed at restoring the troubled bank back to health.

Cyprus agreed Monday to make depositors contribute to a financial rescue in order to secure 10 billion euros ($12.9 billion) in loans from the eurozone and the IMF.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/bank-cyprus-big-savers-lose-60-percent

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Bank of Cyprus big savers to lose up to 60 percent (Original Post) Bosonic Mar 2013 OP
That might go down like a lead balloon. dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #1
I fail to see how this is anthing but an immediate solution... Earth_First Mar 2013 #2
Exactly Yo_Mama Mar 2013 #10
How is this better than letting the banks go belly up? fasttense Mar 2013 #3
bankruptcy laws vary quadrature Mar 2013 #6
On top of this, turns out the Cyprus banks wrote off loans to politicians dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #4
Economist Richard Wolff covered this on his radio show this AM.... radhika Mar 2013 #5
Money launderers and drug dealers from Eastern Europe alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #7
I'll bet those people managed to get most of their money out. hughee99 Mar 2013 #8
Most of those people got their money out Yo_Mama Mar 2013 #11
Defining richness down marshall Mar 2013 #9

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
1. That might go down like a lead balloon.
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 06:55 AM
Mar 2013

Accounts over €100k are not just the fat Russian a/cs : they're also a lot of Cyprus business a/cs, routine €100k bonds 1 year bonds, client accounts held by lawyers etc, and last but not least some of Cyprus's own pension fund a/cs one of which was reported to €700 million.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
2. I fail to see how this is anthing but an immediate solution...
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 07:57 AM
Mar 2013

Near-future and long-term investment in Cypress is surely to suffer as a result of this solution.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
10. Exactly
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 12:30 PM
Mar 2013

This is a depression in the making.

For one thing, there is an immediate crimp in economic activity in Cyprus. Consider a grocery store. The gross margin on sales is not that much, and from the gross margin the store pays salaries, utilities, etc. But there is a huge roll in cash, most of which comes in and goes right back out for more groceries. Nor can they pay their taxes!

Now the stores that have effectively lost ALL access to their funds above 100KEuro can neither restock nor pay their employees.

Can you imagine the havoc? The same is true for a host of other businesses.

And what are all other businesses thinking? The money will come right out of the banks and be kept in a safe, a lockbox, under the mattress....

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
3. How is this better than letting the banks go belly up?
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 08:09 AM
Mar 2013

If a bank fails, they close shop, take all the depositors money and the federal insurance makes whole those savers with accounts less than 100,000 euros.

I guess savers with over 100,000 euros get something instead of nothing. But do these banks ever expect to have big savers deposit in their banks ever again? As soon as restrictions are lifted, everyone, big savers and small, will be taking all their money out.

Why not just let the banks go into bankruptcy? It seems that way the results will be the same and there wont be a big debt hanging over the heads of the citizens of Cyprus.

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
6. bankruptcy laws vary
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 05:37 PM
Mar 2013

IMO, they did go belly up,
but are still, thru means unknown, still
paying off smaller depositors.

(if they have bankruptcy laws, that is.
they seem to make the laws up as they go along)

radhika

(1,008 posts)
5. Economist Richard Wolff covered this on his radio show this AM....
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 04:40 PM
Mar 2013

He does the 'Economic Update' on NY Free Speech radio station WBAI. Here is a link to his show, from the Archives.

http://wbai.org/server-archive.html

This is a Big Thing, for global banking in general.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
8. I'll bet those people managed to get most of their money out.
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 06:35 PM
Mar 2013

Either that or their one account for 1 million turned into 10 accounts for 100k (in 10 different names) overnight.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
11. Most of those people got their money out
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 12:34 PM
Mar 2013

The people really being stung are the Cypriot businesses, pensions, etc.

Payroll and working capital just went up in smoke.

They left the foreign branches and affiliates open while the banks in Cyprus were closed, and foreigners were pulling their money out. Plus, there was warning.

It's the businesses in Cyprus who were left high and dry.

The whole thing about money laundering is just a facade, IMO (I have a long history in banking). If you suspect money laundering, you go after those people. You freeze their accounts. You don't grab the bank accounts of the honest businesses that had nothing to do with it.

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