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Mosaic

(1,451 posts)
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 10:14 AM Feb 2012

Obama favors constitutional amendment on Citizens United:

Perhaps the most important news in Obama campaign manager Jim Messina’s announcement about Super PACs is this:

The President opposed the Citizens United decision. He understood that with the dramatic growth in opportunities to raise and spend unlimited special-interest money, we would see new strategies to hide it from public view. He continues to support a law to force full disclosure of all funding intended to influence our elections, a reform that was blocked in 2010 by a unanimous Republican filibuster in the U.S. Senate. And the President favors action — by constitutional amendment, if necessary — to place reasonable limits on all such spending.

As I reported here recently, this is the step that campaign finance advocates had hoped Obama would support. The question is how forcefully the President will now push for it, if at all.

There’s an argument to be made that a strong case for it would dovetail neatly with the Obama campaign strategy of painting Mitt Romney — who favors doing away with all limits on campaign contributions — as emblematic of all the ways the current system is rigged for the rich and corporations and against average Americans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/the-morning-plum-dems-will-play-by-gop-rules/2012/02/07/gIQAeGCHwQ_blog.html

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Obama favors constitutional amendment on Citizens United: (Original Post) Mosaic Feb 2012 OP
K&R JDPriestly Feb 2012 #1
K&R think Feb 2012 #2
K&R BumRushDaShow Feb 2012 #3
K&F'nR! Roland99 Feb 2012 #4
A great big K & R... Surya Gayatri Feb 2012 #5
Personally, I'd like to see Obama push for this amendment BEFORE he is TfG Feb 2012 #6
It would be good to push this now n2doc Feb 2012 #7
the amendment would outlaw corporate 'personhood'. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #12
Abso-friggin-loutely!!!! Left Coast2020 Feb 2012 #18
There's nothing to push for, because it'll never actually happen. It can't. TheWraith Feb 2012 #28
not enough time, and too much to risk Skittles Feb 2012 #32
that would be effective barbtries Feb 2012 #8
K and R Stuart G Feb 2012 #9
A constitutional amendment could take decades LiberalEsto Feb 2012 #10
We start by going after our state legislative candidates lastlib Feb 2012 #22
You think he didn't know that when he suggested it? Myrina Feb 2012 #31
good luck with that - amendments are VERY difficult (as they should be) bowens43 Feb 2012 #11
K & R SnowCritter Feb 2012 #13
Kick! valerief Feb 2012 #14
Confused. CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #15
It shouldn't be about who has the most money, period. wtmusic Feb 2012 #16
Welcome to DU. Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #17
Ethics Class CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #19
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #20
K and F'in R! NRaleighLiberal Feb 2012 #21
I also favor an amendment, no other way to rein in the top judges gone rogue. Dragonfli Feb 2012 #23
Great. Now do it.... lib2DaBone Feb 2012 #24
That is where he ofttimes loses steam .... Dragonfli Feb 2012 #25
Hear! Hear! Obama3_16 Feb 2012 #26
If we want an amendment we will have to do it ourselves... Wolf-PAC.com. Exultant Democracy Feb 2012 #27
Put it out there and dare every bought and paid for politician to vote it down. Fearless Feb 2012 #29
Does anyone else think that the so-called balance of power is out of balance? rhett o rick Feb 2012 #30
I hope he can bring enough people together to do this Marrah_G Feb 2012 #33
That would be nice tavalon Feb 2012 #34
K&R Luciferous Feb 2012 #35

BumRushDaShow

(129,055 posts)
3. K&R
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 10:23 AM
Feb 2012

although I know those who be impacted would buy off every politician in Congress and in the state legislatures so that it would never pass.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
5. A great big K & R...
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 10:36 AM
Feb 2012

Hope BHO will battle for an amendment once he's safely back in for a second term.
SG

edit: typo

TfG

(61 posts)
6. Personally, I'd like to see Obama push for this amendment BEFORE he is
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 10:48 AM
Feb 2012

reelected to a 2nd term. That way, his actions would reflect his words and it would be more than just a campaign pledge that gets forgotten after the election.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
7. It would be good to push this now
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 10:52 AM
Feb 2012

As everyone will be reminded every day about the consequences of this decision. However, from what it sounds like, the amendment doesn't go far enough. We need to outlaw the idea that speech=money. I could not care less if I know who is buying the ads.
Furthermore, if he really wanted to be progressive, the amendment would outlaw corporate 'personhood'. I just can't imaging that happening.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
12. the amendment would outlaw corporate 'personhood'.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 11:31 AM
Feb 2012

Indeed.

And it should be easy! since the corporate=person thing was a mistake from the get go. A clerical error (tho' suspiciously done intentionally). A reading of the entire decisions from 1819 & 1886 makes it clear that this corporate personhood is severely limited. Only an OPINION in the headnote, not part of the decision, muddles the issue.

Left Coast2020

(2,397 posts)
18. Abso-friggin-loutely!!!!
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:52 PM
Feb 2012

So now we need to get Senator Sanders, and a few other CongressCritters--including some people on MSNBC to start making noise about this. Then hopefully it will gain steam in the public domain. Someone get BigEddie on the phone!!!!!

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
28. There's nothing to push for, because it'll never actually happen. It can't.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 04:39 PM
Feb 2012

You could never manage to get the required super-majority through Congress, let alone get enough state legislatures to ratify it. It's a non-starter. The only realistic way Citizens United gets undone is with another Supreme Court ruling.

barbtries

(28,798 posts)
8. that would be effective
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 10:54 AM
Feb 2012

most americans realize that was one really bad decision, and that the process is hopelessly corrupted by money.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
10. A constitutional amendment could take decades
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 11:14 AM
Feb 2012

It needs to be passed by both houses of Congress, Then a majority of states will need to ratify it through their legislatures. I don't see how it's going to pass enough states, let alone Congress, to become law any time soon.

The Equal Rights Amendment was introduced in Congress in 1923 and didn't pass both the House and Senate until 1972, after which it was sent to the states for ratification votes. The ERA didn't get enough state ratifications before a 1982 deadline, and expired.

We need action on this MUCH sooner.

lastlib

(23,239 posts)
22. We start by going after our state legislative candidates
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 03:15 PM
Feb 2012

Get them on record as to whether they support an amendment, vote 'em in or out accordingly.

Do the same to the Congressvarmints. If theydon't support this, out they go!

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
31. You think he didn't know that when he suggested it?
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 09:30 PM
Feb 2012

In other words ... "Sure, getting hold of CU-type spending orgies is a good idea, but not in my lifetime."

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
11. good luck with that - amendments are VERY difficult (as they should be)
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 11:26 AM
Feb 2012

certainly won't see it anytime soon.

It would be easier to impeach the activist judges who were n the majority on this issue. (this would be nearly impossible too)

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
15. Confused.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:06 PM
Feb 2012

Does this mean the GOP Super Pacs are OK? Or only OK if they are for an amendment? If the Democratic Party uses Super Pacs too why all the uproar? This makes no sense.

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
16. It shouldn't be about who has the most money, period.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:12 PM
Feb 2012

It would put an end to "Super PACs" and make corporate contributions unconstitutional.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
17. Welcome to DU.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:42 PM
Feb 2012

I think the SuperPACs, no matter who they fund, are abominations. It all comes down to which interests are the best-funded, and the most able to buy electoral results. Our current system is very sick and very wrong.

I can see why the Obama people reversed themselves on PAC money, even though it makes me very uncomfortable. They saw themselves taking a water pistol to a gunfight with Republicans & freaked out.

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
19. Ethics Class
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:56 PM
Feb 2012

We have been studying things like fallacies in class. It is amazing to watch these political parties and then see the fallacy. We are also taking Critical Thinking.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
23. I also favor an amendment, no other way to rein in the top judges gone rogue.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 03:58 PM
Feb 2012

I hope it is more than just Election year "tell them what they want to hear" bullshit.

 

Obama3_16

(157 posts)
26. Hear! Hear!
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 04:21 PM
Feb 2012

I think this automatic weapon should be outlawed. But until then, Republicans...RATATATAT!!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
30. Does anyone else think that the so-called balance of power is out of balance?
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 09:27 PM
Feb 2012

Two branches of government that are elected by the people make a law and one branch, not elected by the people, can nullify it with the only recourse to change the Constitution.

I can not imagine in this day and age, with unlimited money to fight the change, that this amendment has much of a chance. But I will give it all my support.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
33. I hope he can bring enough people together to do this
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 11:46 PM
Feb 2012

That would really be something to cheer about.

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