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Roland99

(53,342 posts)
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:47 PM Feb 2012

Banks Paying Cash to Homeowners to Avoid Foreclosures

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-07/banks-paying-homeowners-a-bonus-to-avoid-foreclosures-mortgages.html

Banks, accelerating efforts to move troubled mortgages off their books, are offering as much as $35,000 or more in cash to delinquent homeowners to sell their properties for less than they owe.

Lenders have routinely delayed or blocked such transactions, known as short sales, in which they accept less from a buyer than the seller’s outstanding loan. Now banks have decided the deals are faster and less costly than foreclosures, which have slowed in response to regulatory probes of abusive practices. Banks are nudging potential sellers by pre-approving deals, streamlining the closing process, forgoing their right to pursue unpaid debt and in some cases providing large cash incentives, said Bill Fricke, senior credit officer for Moody’s Investors Service in New York.

Losses for lenders are about 15 percent lower on the sales than on foreclosures, which can take years to complete while taxes and legal, maintenance and other costs accumulate, according to Moody’s. The deals accounted for 33 percent of financially distressed transactions in November, up from 24 percent a year earlier, said CoreLogic Inc., a Santa Ana, California-based real estate information company.

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For banks, approving a sale for less than is owed on the home can cut a year or more off the time it takes to unload a property. From listing to sale, the transactions took about 123 days on average at the end of last year, according to the Campbell/Inside Mortgage Finance HousingPulse Tracking Survey.

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Banks Paying Cash to Homeowners to Avoid Foreclosures (Original Post) Roland99 Feb 2012 OP
And this helps the homeowner HOW? aquart Feb 2012 #1
Well, better than walking away from a bad situation with nothing. Hoyt Feb 2012 #2
35K would not help you? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #4
Not if the difference between owed and sale price is over $35,000, no. aquart Feb 2012 #9
If the house is worth 100K, but you owe 200K and the bank is offering 35K Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #15
It lets you walk away from a home without debt or bankruptcy. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #5
8 Million Americans have now been exposed to foreclosure.... lib2DaBone Feb 2012 #3
I think these are the first chunks of an avalanche. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #6
Forecloses costs run into the THOUSANDS of Dollars happyslug Feb 2012 #7
So the MBA banksters finally listened to a serf or 2 in their back office. Mopar151 Feb 2012 #17
Yes, because no matter how bad their decisions, they will ALWAYS make bundles of money. closeupready Feb 2012 #20
Plus, if the bank re-sells the house, dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #21
I'm guessing the money from the bank goes to pay income taxes on the short sale Fiendish Thingy Feb 2012 #8
Shouldn't really help Sgent Feb 2012 #12
Not so. PassingFair Feb 2012 #13
Not necessarily true, the forgiven debt is not always taxable income. intheozone Feb 2012 #14
That was in days past. Not so much anymore. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #16
I got $2000, so I wouldn't trash the place on the way out. tridim Feb 2012 #10
AH! They're forgiving the mortgage! aquart Feb 2012 #11
This could help some people I guess Obama3_16 Feb 2012 #18
This is simply a work around on the securities fraud committed by Wall Street banks. ms.smiler Feb 2012 #19
Ha!!!! I KNEW there had to be a pickle in there somewhere. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #22
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Well, better than walking away from a bad situation with nothing.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:57 PM
Feb 2012

Look at the example in the article. The owner is getting out from under a loan that is $200,000 more than the house is now worth -- plus, the bank is "giving" them $30,000 to move and start over.

Unfortunately, I doubt the banks are doing anything for people with much smaller loans.

With all that said, screw the banks.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
9. Not if the difference between owed and sale price is over $35,000, no.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:16 PM
Feb 2012

Owner is still homeless and in debt but the bank is feeling just fine.

What am I missing?

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
15. If the house is worth 100K, but you owe 200K and the bank is offering 35K
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:38 PM
Feb 2012

then you take the money and run.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
5. It lets you walk away from a home without debt or bankruptcy.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:13 PM
Feb 2012

Simple:

If you can sell your home you can at least walk away from it without debt or bankruptcy to discharge debt.

You can start over and buy another house at a much reduced price or just rent.

 

lib2DaBone

(8,124 posts)
3. 8 Million Americans have now been exposed to foreclosure....
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:04 PM
Feb 2012

30 Million Americans are unemployed.

The greedy Banks (who we bailed out with our hard earned money) are now discovering that the foreclosed houses are worth nothing if no one can afford to buy them.

I hope the greedy Mo-Fo's choke on every forclosed porperty they have stolen.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
6. I think these are the first chunks of an avalanche.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:14 PM
Feb 2012

This housing market is going to have to stabilize. People like myself are sitting on homes that are worth $90K less than I owe on them. I can pay on it for years and not be above water.

More and more people are just going to walk and leave the bank holding the property unless the bank lets the current owners sell and leave cleanly.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
7. Forecloses costs run into the THOUSANDS of Dollars
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:16 PM
Feb 2012

In my home county, just to list the property for sale by the Sheriff cost $1500, which is addition to any filing fees and Attorney cost incurred to get to the Execution sale. $10-20,000 in legal fees are NOT unusual and that is Pennsylvania which is a "low cost" state when it comes to attorney fees.

If the Owner has a clean title (A title search will reveal that) then a "Deed in lieu of Foreclosure" saves the bank a lot of money. In most execution sale the buyer of the property tends to be the bank, which bids the money owned on the Mortgage (if a higher bid is made, the excess over the mortgage goes to the Home Owner, so the bank has no reason to bid more then the outstanding mortgage plus costs). The bank then sells the house as any other house would be sold, and in this economy for a lot less then the outstanding mortgage.

Thus, even if the house is sold for less then it is worth, the bank makes out by NOT having to incur the cost of foreclosing on the property. This benefits the bank more then anyone else, but the home owner gets the knowledge that, in most cases, the bank has no plans to go after the homeowners for the excess of the mortgage over what the house is sold for. In many homeowners view this is enough of a plus to agree to a deed in Deed in Lieu of Foreclosure.

Mopar151

(9,983 posts)
17. So the MBA banksters finally listened to a serf or 2 in their back office.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 03:51 PM
Feb 2012

Instutional inertia in banks and other morgtage issuers is one of the big problems in all this mess. A lot of big banks and morgtage servicers were so intent on flogging the last nickel out of homeowners that they ended up costing themselves big time - and these attitudes come from autocratic top management who have cowed middle managers into a "screw the customer" mentality - regardless of cost. A lot of these MBA's havent added up a collumn of figures in years - it's all shoot from the hip.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
20. Yes, because no matter how bad their decisions, they will ALWAYS make bundles of money.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 04:59 PM
Feb 2012

So in some respects, there is no downside to making bad decisions as a banker.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
21. Plus, if the bank re-sells the house,
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 05:12 PM
Feb 2012

it gets to collect the valuable interest payments all over again.
Much of the interest in a mortgage decreases after 5-7 years of payments.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,622 posts)
8. I'm guessing the money from the bank goes to pay income taxes on the short sale
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:16 PM
Feb 2012

If you sell your house for $200k less than it's loan value, you have to declare the $200k as income, and pay taxes on it. That's what's clogging up the pipeline- people would rather go into foreclosure/bankruptcy than fork over a chunk of change for a house their going to lose anyway.

If this is true, then this could end up helping everyone- homeowners, banks, the housing market in general, as quicker short sales may prevent the market values from declining further compared to lengthy foreclosures

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
12. Shouldn't really help
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:29 PM
Feb 2012

The money the give would probably still be considered income and/or cancellation of debt by the IRS.

That being said, a canceled debt by a bank is not considered income unless you have a positive net worth -- and then only to the extent of your net worth.

So most people in foreclosure / deed in lieu of debt might get a 1099c, but they won't owe taxes because of it.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
13. Not so.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:29 PM
Feb 2012
http://www.irs.gov/irs/article/0,,id=179073,00.html

Mortgage Relief Act of 2007 made this "income" tax free unless the
house is worth more than a million dollars, or is NOT the primary
residence.

I thought there was a tax penalty too, until I looked into it.

That said, some states are still "recourse" states, so short sales
still have their disadvantages in some places.

None of this "relief" helps homeowners who didn't over-extend
themselves or who haven't lost their jobs, but it doesn't HURT
them either.

intheozone

(1,103 posts)
14. Not necessarily true, the forgiven debt is not always taxable income.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:34 PM
Feb 2012

It depends on whether the debt was recourse or non-recourse, whether the taxpayer was insolvent at time of forgiveness of debt and whether the debt forgiven was debt on personal residence. The personal residence debt forgiveness is exempted from income (due to special law) until 2013, if I remember correctly. There are a lot of special rules that exempt the debt forgiveness from income, so you shouldn't being making such a blanket statement.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
10. I got $2000, so I wouldn't trash the place on the way out.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:19 PM
Feb 2012

All things being equal I'm glad to be free of that underwater prison. Credit score prison isn't much better though. Apparently I get out in 6 years.

ms.smiler

(551 posts)
19. This is simply a work around on the securities fraud committed by Wall Street banks.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 04:45 PM
Feb 2012

That securities fraud is directly connected to the mortgage loans and property Titles here on Main Street.

Cecala of Inside Mortgage Finance said he wonders whether lenders are making big payments on properties with underlying title problems. Evan Berlin, managing partner of Berlin Patten, a real estate law firm in Sarasota, Florida, said representatives of a large bank told him the incentives are primarily given to borrowers when it doesn’t have the proper paperwork needed to win its foreclosure case. He declined to name the bank for publication.


What “proper paperwork” means to me is that the banksters and their bogus mortgage securitization messed up the property Title so badly they couldn’t even fake ownership of the loans in a contested foreclosure suit.

This is a red flag for homeowners that they should instead file a Quiet Title action and see if any party can prove a valid debt and valid lien upon the property.

Why accept $35,000 when the homeowner could obtain their Deeds free of any debt?


I’ve been researching mortgage/foreclosure fraud for 3 1/2 years and filed suit against my mortgage servicer this past year.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
22. Ha!!!! I KNEW there had to be a pickle in there somewhere.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 05:16 PM
Feb 2012

That makes sense. With MERS and other mortgage processors being sued of late,
I imagine the banks are anxious to decrease the number of dead bodies and hope to hell no one thinks of doing a Quiet title.

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