Bam bam.

Kpow kpow.

Pew! Pew!

THEY are taxed on those profits.

Count on Bloomberg to propagandize for his own self-glorification. KSL.com is a local portal website for the Salt Lake City area which hosts, among other things, over 150,000 classified ads for everything under the sun, from kittens to RVs, and yes, firearms being sold legally by private owners to other private owners. The same as you find in any other newspaper in the country.

I've looked at guns there, but haven't bought one.

Really?

What's to stop a mentally unbalanced person, violent felon, domestic abuser from buying a gun from a private owner? Oh that's right - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

the feds can only regulate interstate sale of guns. They have no jurisdiction over intrastate sales.

When people talk about the gunshow loophole, this is what they are really talking about.

One wonders how NBC feels about this. Of course, their new owners are righties, too...

How many people have been murdered?

Not NEARLY as many as the ATF let walk....

Massacred hundreds of non moron settlers?

Probably a lot.

Why would they indulge in this? How long have they been involved in this industry?

Industry? Are classified ads an "industry"? Hmmm....

I don't know what you are asking about or what manner of sarchasm you are engaging in. Maybe you should ask an actual question instead, or write more clearly.

And I certainly didn't know that occasional private resale of personal property was an "industry".

Or perhaps you should have the integrity to say what you mean.

This is a large scale operation. Go ahead and deny it all you like.

And I have said what I mean, I wasn't the one that decided to play coy, cute, and sarchastic. Challenging me on that does not add one dram of weight to your posts.

In my view, you seem to be implying that they (KSL/LDS Church) are running an illicit gun sale business. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

And are you busy defending the Mormon church and their support of internal arms trade against all comers? So much so that you have decided to try to snark your way through discussion?

Precisely what is your point? Can you make it without engaging in sarchasm, logical fallacy, or straw-manning?

If you actually believe they are doing nothing wrong then simply say so. Directly and openly make a statement and cite your supports for it.

Private sales are regulated by STATE law, not Federal law. The site merely accepts advertisements for firearms and accessories.

Of course Bloomberg goes around with 5-6 armed, plain clothed detectives, paid for by tax payer dollars, wherever he goes, but he's special and we're not.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/30/politics/main3558935.shtml?source=related_story

They don't have much to be proud about, with that acquisition.

How many young people have NEVER heard normal a.m. radio programming, anyway? Hatefest radio seems to have been here forever.

I hope we can live without their votes

You're dividing us! You're dividing us! Al Gore lost Tennessee because of guns, if he had and Clinton hadn't passed some gun control he would have won Tennessee!

Its just online ads for in state private transactions. Its legal and not the least political.

Your attempt to cast dispersions on RKBA Democratic Party member is noted for the smear that it is.

heh. thanks for clearing that up.

As for the the subject line to which you responded, during a recent post-massacre thread, I reported that by supporting Walker, LaPage, Corbett, Daniels, and so on for their "Arm Everyone" initiatives, the gunsters are also supporting union-busting, anti-teacher, anti-education, anti-worker, anti-choice, and anti-family agendas. One reply was, "I only vote on the gun issue".

Cite, please?

As a practical matter, they are already in circulation, and if an FFL was required to make the transaction, it would change nothing. The better answer is open access to background checks.

I am yet to see anythings called "Arm Everyone" initiative by any organization or pol.

The real absurdity about firearms availability is the unconscionable restrictions some locales place upon legal ownership and possession.

To claim that if you agree with someone on one issue you buy their entire agenda is juvenile at best. There are many RKBA Democratic Party members who support none of those agendas, but are firmly pro 2A.

Keep up the smearing...

What's next, the faith of craigslist?

The Mormon church?

If you dig enough, both are tied to gambling, drinking, abortion, porn, the mob, child porn, whatever.

Making those connections is really just amateur conspiracy theory games.

doesn't attract a bunch of people who shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm.

Use of NCIS is precluded for them by law.

they have always live by their laws.

(firearms too)

In private schools into thinking that something is wrong with them.

The post headline is sensational.

The fact of the matter is, in most states you can open up your local Penny Saver and look in the sporting goods section and find dozens of guns for sale from private individuals. And in most states, there is no background check for firearm sales between private individuals.

The Federal government cannot control intra-state commerce, so they cannot regulate private firearms between individuals. Only if you sell a firearm to someone in another state must the firearm be shipped through an FFL dealer and a background check run.

Some states do require private sales to have background checks, but not many.

Most criminals are probably not interested in paying market rates for a firearm anyway, and that is what you will find going to a classified ad.

the NRA is complaining constantly that there are "too many laws", then we read that every local paper in the country contains ads for unregulated gun sales, so in this case the LDS selling guns is no problem.

You should look them up.

, indeed.

It's already illegal to sell a firearm to someone you know to be disqualified to own them, and it's already illegal for someone who is disqualified to own them to attempt to buy them.

That said, I'm OK with background checks for private sales as long as it preserves anonymous firearm ownership.

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Or other approaches that indicate the purchaser is not a proscribed individual?

Right now private sales cannot use NICS

And what do you mean by "Background checks need to be a lot tougher too."? What is it they should look at that they do not do so now?

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Pssst...it's NCIC

Open up NICS to the public. Or better yet, issue FOID cards with state-issued IDs to all qualified individuals except those who choose to opt out.

Then you can have background checks for private sales.

I'd hate to see NYC funds used to conduct interstate investigations into legal activities.

Unless NYC is running a huge surplus.

mid Atlantic.

This story is lame.

The NRA's refrain is that there are "too many regulations". Your SL says, "private sales of used guns don't require (background checks)". those two don't jibe

It is a FACT that in the state of Utah private, intrastate transfers of used ordinary firearms (meaning ones that are not regulated under the National Firearms Act), do not require background checks.

It is also a FACT there the National Instant Check System (NICS) which is used for checking the backgrounds of people who buy guns from licensed gun dealers, CANNOT be used by unlicensed people.

There is no system in place to perform background checks on private transfers of used firearms in the state of Utah, therefore, the term "proper background check" in the cited article has no real meaning. It's plain old yellow journalism.

The most "telling" aspect of my previous subject line is that nobody can give a straight answer to it. That includes you.

Go figure.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NYPD-Gun-Ring-Brooklyn-Officers-Guilty-Plea-138788159.html

Private sales are legal, do the ATF and NYPD make legal sales?

...would be happy to comply. Of course there is that little problem that the federal government lacks the authority to regulate private, intrastate sales of used things.