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kpete

(71,995 posts)
Sun May 12, 2013, 11:57 AM May 2013

Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

Source: CBS

Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability

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Gates, a Republican who was appointed by then-President George W. Bush in 2006 and agreed to stay through more than two years of President Obama's first term, repeatedly declined to criticize the policymakers who devised a response to the September 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic facility in Benghazi, Libya, that left four Americans dead, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens.

"Frankly, had I been in the job at the time, I think my decisions would have been just as theirs were," said Gates, now the chancellor of the College of William and Mary.

"We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East, and so getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible." he explained.

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"It's sort of a cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces," he said. "The one thing that our forces are noted for is planning and preparation before we send people in harm's way, and there just wasn't time to do that."

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57584087/gates-some-benghazi-critics-have-cartoonish-view-of-military-capability/

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Gates: Some Benghazi critics have "cartoonish" view of military capability (Original Post) kpete May 2013 OP
Cartoonish certainly is the operative word here. pangaia May 2013 #1
They have a cartoonish view of the world. nt bemildred May 2013 #2
Bingo! AlbertCat May 2013 #8
Yeah, the general rule is much simpler to use than the inferred instance. bemildred May 2013 #11
He's right. Archae May 2013 #3
Video games sarge43 May 2013 #7
My opinion is this John2 May 2013 #12
I would only add timdog44 May 2013 #25
Can you continue your line of thought please? nenagh May 2013 #27
This cartoon describes the Republickers. muntrv May 2013 #4
. bemildred May 2013 #6
Looney Toons describes Tparty RepubliCONs. xtraxritical May 2013 #15
Really ask ourselves "Why?" would anyone WANT US troops inserted into a situation in which there are patrice May 2013 #5
The same ones that argue they need guns because police can't respond instantly. bluedigger May 2013 #9
Even someone with no military understanding can understand the challenges. Helicopters need okaawhatever May 2013 #10
But Rethugs don't believe or understand science or physics so how Auntie Bush May 2013 #13
Two Words: Blackhawk Down DallasNE May 2013 #14
+100 HooptieWagon May 2013 #16
Where's Rambo? I want to send him in on a moment of notice JackN415 May 2013 #17
They think the job of the military is to keep those uppity sand ni**ers in their place. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #18
more comprehensive NYT article alp227 May 2013 #19
That's because the Republican 'leaders' are all freaking quisling chickenhawks Berlum May 2013 #20
What would you expect from a bunch of adieu May 2013 #21
that is very common with chickenhawks Skittles May 2013 #22
Too many chickhawks that jerk off to too many action movies. nt Incitatus May 2013 #23
I think they have watched too many John Wayne movies. DCBob May 2013 #24
Me too. "Fill you hands, timdog44 May 2013 #26
That's the one actor whose movies I refuse to watch. Beacool May 2013 #28
I know what you mean. timdog44 May 2013 #32
I forgot about heston, but in my book Wayne was worse. Beacool May 2013 #33
Thank you, Secretary Gates. Beacool May 2013 #29
you MEAN WE DON'T HAVE GI Joe OR captain America IN THE WINGS? DainBramaged May 2013 #30
GOP didnt mind when there were 13 embassy consulate bombings during Bushco 105 dead numerous injured judesedit May 2013 #31
the same ones who think they would have saved the day with their guns during sandy hook JI7 May 2013 #34

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
1. Cartoonish certainly is the operative word here.
Sun May 12, 2013, 11:59 AM
May 2013

Plus he would have basically done the same thing, plus he was appointed by Bush. etc etc

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
8. Bingo!
Sun May 12, 2013, 12:28 PM
May 2013

From how GI Joe great America is, thru how socialism is Scooby Doo scary to how Chick Tract horrible homosexuality is.

Archae

(46,328 posts)
3. He's right.
Sun May 12, 2013, 12:00 PM
May 2013

The Teabaggers and their willing cronies on the Hill (like Issa) seem to have a world view of terrorism that comes from the 1980's "GI Joe" cartoon show.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
12. My opinion is this
Sun May 12, 2013, 12:44 PM
May 2013

guy is just a rightwing hatchet man, that doesn't have no business being in Congress, much less being in charge of an important committee, if you look at his shady history. Nobody, or the media ever focuses on the source of the attacks. This is a guy who was once accused of car jacking and had a criminal record expunged but yet the conservative people of his District sent this shady character to Congress. It is a good example why our Government is broken.

It is not just Benghazi but it is a continuous habit, this guy has used his positron to bring up frivolous allegations. At some point, someone in the Congress or the Media needs to focus on this man's conduct and abuse of office. The media is complicity negligent by not informing the viewers on Issa shady background and all the other frivolous investigations he has brought up and wasted Congresses time. An investigation was done on Benghazi and that should have been the end of it. There was no cover up period.

Let me make another point here that is missing from this entire discussion on Benghazi. The President only gives directives for his subordinates to carry out. Anybody with any sense knows that it is the military's responsibility to protect U.S. interests. The person in authority, within Libya is delegated that authority from the President because the President is only the commander-in-chief. The only military authority in Libya from my understanding was the CIA under under General Petraeus. If Ambassador Stevens was the highest civilian authority in Libya, then it is up to the military authority to provide the resources for his protection, not the Secretary or President of the United States. If Petraeus was the only military authority in libya from the U.S., then Petraeus would be the negligent party. Everybody is letting him off the hook because his CIA didn't provide intelligence nor resources to protect the Ambassador. They failed the State Department and the President. I would imagine the military authority has the authority to override the State Department in case of an attack just like any military authority in a violent region. Issa and McCain were officers but not President Obama. So why don't they refresh me of the military manuel again when military authority supersedes civilian?

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
25. I would only add
Mon May 13, 2013, 09:18 AM
May 2013

that the monies that were asked for to protect our embassy workers and embassies was voted down. I think that Issa was one of the brights lights of DC that voted against said money.

nenagh

(1,925 posts)
27. Can you continue your line of thought please?
Mon May 13, 2013, 10:02 AM
May 2013

I still don't understand security considerations when there is a Benghazi Consulate so close, relatively, to a CIA compound in the same area.

Is the State Dept responsible for the Consulate security and the CIA responsible for its own security, via Petraeus?

Can the word CIA be uttered at the Issa hearings?








patrice

(47,992 posts)
5. Really ask ourselves "Why?" would anyone WANT US troops inserted into a situation in which there are
Sun May 12, 2013, 12:13 PM
May 2013

NO advantages for how/why they should be there and do whatever (???) they would do there.

Really! WHY??? would anyone want that?

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
9. The same ones that argue they need guns because police can't respond instantly.
Sun May 12, 2013, 12:31 PM
May 2013

They seem to think our military can respond to any situation around the globe, but their assault rifles will prevent the tyranny of the government. Talk about cognitive dissonance at every level.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
10. Even someone with no military understanding can understand the challenges. Helicopters need
Sun May 12, 2013, 12:32 PM
May 2013

visability. Burning building=smoke=no visability. Also, they have to have a secure rooftop or open field to land. In Aslamabad we lost a helicopter because it couldn't achieve lift due to being between buildings. Figuring that out doesn't require a military understand just a basic understanding of science/physics. Wait, I think I see the problem now -)

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
13. But Rethugs don't believe or understand science or physics so how
Sun May 12, 2013, 01:20 PM
May 2013

could one expect them to understand such a basic concept?

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
14. Two Words: Blackhawk Down
Sun May 12, 2013, 01:39 PM
May 2013

What the Republicans are saying should have been done in hindsight would have run a very high risk of setting up another Blackhawk Down situation and that would have resulted in still more Americans being killed. As it is the Libyan forces went in and killed nearly 100 of the terrorists, turning this into a major defeat for them. "Cartoonish" is being diplomatic of Gates for what Republicans are saying and doing.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
20. That's because the Republican 'leaders' are all freaking quisling chickenhawks
Sun May 12, 2013, 03:28 PM
May 2013

Shameful Republican posturing. As usual.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
24. I think they have watched too many John Wayne movies.
Sun May 12, 2013, 08:11 PM
May 2013

Last edited Mon May 13, 2013, 10:05 AM - Edit history (1)

Rooster Cogburn to the rescue!


Beacool

(30,249 posts)
28. That's the one actor whose movies I refuse to watch.
Mon May 13, 2013, 10:28 AM
May 2013

Long after MPA disbanded, Wayne continued to express his anti-Communist ideas. He considered Senator McCarthy to be one of America's “most misunderstood heroes,” “the awakening of America,” who rang “the bell to get up.” “I admired the work he did,” he said in l960, “whether he went overboard or not, he was of value to my country.”
Wayne said that McCarty was a close friend, respected for “the courage to take on everyone,” but “like most of our so-called conservative leaders, he did not have the backing of the Eastern establishment press, which ultimately ruined him.” Wayne did believe that McCarthy was “murdered by the leftists,” and regretted that “now his name is a bad word.”

http://www.emanuellevy.com/comment/john-waynes-right-wing-politics-in-the-1950s-and-1960s-4/

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
32. I know what you mean.
Mon May 13, 2013, 08:43 PM
May 2013

I have a list of people I will not watch as I have grown older. Charlton Heston comes to mind and I love westerns. Angelina Jolie's dad. I will never watch a Tom Cruise movie, idiot psychotic scientologist. There are some scientology people I will watch. But again, I know what you mean. Sorry, but I can't ditch John Wayne.

Beacool

(30,249 posts)
33. I forgot about heston, but in my book Wayne was worse.
Mon May 13, 2013, 09:11 PM
May 2013

He didn't have to rat on people because he was a big enough star, instead he considered it his "duty" to point fingers at people who had no way of defending themselves and were black listed.

He found religion later in life and converted to Catholicism, but as far as I'm concerned he can rot in hell.



Beacool

(30,249 posts)
29. Thank you, Secretary Gates.
Mon May 13, 2013, 10:34 AM
May 2013

it's amazing how so many people think that the military can perform miracles. It's easy for someone sitting in the comfort of their own home, or in Congress, to play Monday morning quarterback when they know squat about what was going on at the time that the attack was happening.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
30. you MEAN WE DON'T HAVE GI Joe OR captain America IN THE WINGS?
Mon May 13, 2013, 11:00 AM
May 2013

Republicans should stop watching Marvel comic movies....

judesedit

(4,438 posts)
31. GOP didnt mind when there were 13 embassy consulate bombings during Bushco 105 dead numerous injured
Mon May 13, 2013, 05:27 PM
May 2013

JI7

(89,250 posts)
34. the same ones who think they would have saved the day with their guns during sandy hook
Mon May 13, 2013, 09:26 PM
May 2013

, aurora, boston bombing etc.

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