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Galraedia

(5,027 posts)
Tue May 21, 2013, 03:34 PM May 2013

Rand Paul demands Congress ‘apologize’ to Apple for tax avoidance hearing

Source: Raw Story

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) on Tuesday lashed out at fellow members of Congress for looking into how technology giant Apple is able to avoid paying billions of dollars in taxes.

The Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations released a report on Monday detailing how Apple had used a network of offshore shell companies in recent year to avoid paying taxes.

At a committee hearing on Tuesday, Paul was livid that Apple CEO Tim Cook was asked to testify.

“I’m offended by a $4 trillion government bullying, berating and badgering one America’s greatest success stories,” the Kentucky Republican told the committee. “Tell me what Apple has done that is illegal?”



Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/21/rand-paul-demands-congress-apologize-to-apple-for-tax-avoidance-hearing/



Rand Paul: America Needs To 'Just Apologize To Apple, Compliment Them For Job Creation'

Rand Paul believes America owes Apple an apology.

“I’m offended by a government that convenes a hearing to bully one of America’s greatest success stories,” Sen. Paul (R-Ky) said during a Senate committee hearing convened to discuss Apple’s tax practices Tuesday. Apple’s CEO Tim Cook is slated to testify in the hearing.

“If anyone should be on trial here, it should be Congress," a fired up Paul told the Senate hearing.

A Senate report released Monday ahead of the hearing found that Apple holds billions of dollars offshore in Irish subsidiaries to avoid paying little or no taxes to any government. For its part, Apple said the company doesn’t use "tax gimmicks” and will pay $7 billion in U.S. taxes in fiscal year 2013.

Paul hailed Apple as a job creator, even saying Congress should give them an award today. Yet, the company's faced criticism for manufacturing its products overseas. In prepared testimony, Apple told the Senate panel that though the company doesn't plan to bring more of its offshore profits to the U.S., Apple would like to do more manufacturing at home, lawmakers said during the hearing. The technology giant vowed last year to make a line of Mac computers in the U.S.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/21/rand-paul-apple_n_3312875.html


“What we really need to do is just apologize to Apple, compliment them for the job creation they’re doing” ~ Rand Paul

O_o ...wtf?

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Rand Paul demands Congress ‘apologize’ to Apple for tax avoidance hearing (Original Post) Galraedia May 2013 OP
There is no pretense any more. They just flat out pander to the overlords liberal N proud May 2013 #1
...and that really worries me. FiveGoodMen May 2013 #32
No, they don't WANT to do anything about it. Amonester May 2013 #55
Asshat. Change the tax laws kochsuckers like you created. nt onehandle May 2013 #2
Exactly! cynzke May 2013 #42
And how many DUers thought this guy was 'principled?' nt msanthrope May 2013 #3
It's just a facade Blue_Tires May 2013 #5
Oh he's principled. It's just that his principles suck. nt BenzoDia May 2013 #6
I don't know. How many? Hissyspit May 2013 #14
Rand Paul: Against drone strikes on Al Qaeda, for drone strikes against store robbery suspects. Dawson Leery May 2013 #51
I’m offended that a sniveling,rancid Flashmann May 2013 #4
He's just the continuation of his father. EC May 2013 #10
Well to be fair, his father was the imbecilic piece of shit in congress first.... n/t winterpark May 2013 #12
Well to be fair, his father was the imbecilic piece of shit in congress first Flashmann May 2013 #15
LMAO! crim son May 2013 #36
Why sure! Flashmann May 2013 #37
Thank you! crim son May 2013 #48
You are quite welcome Flashmann May 2013 #63
...a purely EVIL little bastard. SoapBox May 2013 #7
Gee, you'd think his salary depended on those big donors, mpcamb May 2013 #53
Just like when Barton EC May 2013 #8
Right! SCVDem May 2013 #62
WOW, doesn't that blow the GOP's concern for deficits to hell? sinkingfeeling May 2013 #9
Robert (Me) demands that Rand Paul appogozise for Drale May 2013 #11
The Rand iPaulogy Blue Owl May 2013 #13
lol Love it. ctsnowman May 2013 #16
well played! frylock May 2013 #28
Here: Galraedia May 2013 #57
This deserves a guest spot in "Pic of the Moment." Brigid May 2013 #60
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #17
You UNAMERICAN jerk Paul! If you want to send all of our money overseas, then LEAVE it! cascadiance May 2013 #18
Unfortunately, I don't think enough people are taking that word "unamerican" seriously enough, BUT patrice May 2013 #25
Fuck you Rand Paul, fuck you DainBramaged May 2013 #19
What jobs would he be talking about? Blue State Bandit May 2013 #20
Absolutely not......... Swede Atlanta May 2013 #21
Well said. nt SunSeeker May 2013 #27
Maybe they should get hungry kids to write notes of apology to Apple Politicub May 2013 #22
If Apple pays $7 billion in taxes this year then that more than covers the $4.8 bil KurtNYC May 2013 #44
Let me spell it out for you, Senator... RevStPatrick May 2013 #23
and to think I was trying to give Libertarians a break on my hypothesis that they love slavery. nt patrice May 2013 #24
What a tool BanzaiBonnie May 2013 #26
I do believe that squirrel on your head has chewed into your brain, Rand. nt SunSeeker May 2013 #29
And I demand Rand Paul apologize for whatever the hell that is, on his head. nt Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #30
Sane people demand Rand Paul Zoeisright May 2013 #31
Hey rand - you're in NO position to demand ANYTHING, pipsqueak! calimary May 2013 #33
I regret that I will not live sulphurdunn May 2013 #34
The Republicans do not seem to understand the purpose of Congressional hearings. JDPriestly May 2013 #35
+1 MustBeTheBooz May 2013 #41
"lickspittle popinjay". bemildred May 2013 #38
Fuck you, Rand Paul, you slimy smamy piece of shit! Harry Monroe May 2013 #39
Here's your apology, Curly Top. Beacool May 2013 #40
"You'd BETTER apologize, or I'll sic my 'private security detail' on you all!!" HughBeaumont May 2013 #43
I'm with you: "WTF?" sakabatou May 2013 #45
Rand Paul - a valiant hero to the filthy stinking rich bushisanidiot May 2013 #46
And this is why I firmly stand by my claim that hes the dumbest man weve ever elected to the senate. Initech May 2013 #47
Agreeing w/ Rand Steviehh May 2013 #49
Apple benefits from the infrastructure and education America provides, as well as Dawson Leery May 2013 #50
The taxpayers here just don't want to pay more taxes yet Apple gets out of paying taxes Rosa Luxemburg May 2013 #52
Rand....... shut up. We're still trying to live down Dukes of Hazzard, now you come along. alfredo May 2013 #54
And why should Congress ever obey to that other shmuck's order? Amonester May 2013 #56
ONLY when Kentucky apologizes for Rand benld74 May 2013 #58
Call it "1984"; Call it "bizarro world".... King_Klonopin May 2013 #59
Corporate bootlicker Rand Paul back at it again. Dash87 May 2013 #61

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
32. ...and that really worries me.
Tue May 21, 2013, 05:35 PM
May 2013

They seem to think there's nothing we can do about it.

I hope they're wrong.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
42. Exactly!
Wed May 22, 2013, 12:58 PM
May 2013

Congress set these tax laws in the first place giving their corporate donors dozens of ways to avoid paying taxes. We are also now seeing the mess they caused by trying to give their buddy donors a way to raise money tax free, i.e. 501(c)(4)s. Close the loopholes and the unfair tax advantages.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
4. I’m offended that a sniveling,rancid
Tue May 21, 2013, 03:43 PM
May 2013

Little turd like Paul is afforded a voice in any matter more serious than "would you like fries with that?" I demand his parents apologize to humanity,at large,for foisting this imbecilic piece of shit on the rest of us.

EC

(12,287 posts)
10. He's just the continuation of his father.
Tue May 21, 2013, 03:47 PM
May 2013

He'll just forever and ever run for the Presidency just like his father did.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
15. Well to be fair, his father was the imbecilic piece of shit in congress first
Tue May 21, 2013, 03:57 PM
May 2013

Yes I am aware...To be even more fair,asshat,son of a bitch,heartless shit-stick,delusional and borderline traitorous bastard,he was,the ole man wasn't the whining,sniveling little shit his whelp is...

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
63. You are quite welcome
Thu May 23, 2013, 11:05 AM
May 2013

Not that it would change my mind,(it won't), or that doing so could stop you from quoting me,but I'm somewhat curious about just where you might quote me,if you don't mind.

mpcamb

(2,875 posts)
53. Gee, you'd think his salary depended on those big donors,
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:19 PM
May 2013

But I guess it's just his retirement, that fat sack of money he'll take away when he's done.

Drale

(7,932 posts)
11. Robert (Me) demands that Rand Paul appogozise for
Tue May 21, 2013, 03:50 PM
May 2013

being born
running for office
not giving one shit about the people he claims to represent
and everything else hes ever done in his life

Response to Galraedia (Original post)

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
18. You UNAMERICAN jerk Paul! If you want to send all of our money overseas, then LEAVE it!
Tue May 21, 2013, 03:59 PM
May 2013

... and let those of us who care about THIS country help OUR people and put ourselves in a position so that we can collectively help all of those in the world instead of struggling just to survive like we do now when corporations are allowed to play the games they are now that you seem to want to put on a pedestal.

JERK!

patrice

(47,992 posts)
25. Unfortunately, I don't think enough people are taking that word "unamerican" seriously enough, BUT
Tue May 21, 2013, 04:46 PM
May 2013

it's nearly an inescapable evaluation, given Paul's propagation and defense of PRIVATE WEAPONS MARKETS all over Earth. FRANCHISES for Libertarians' brave new engineered lives, in stepping stone communities for (M. Taibbi's) Citizens of the Archipelagos. Rand Paul is their, the 1%'s, indentured service-workers staffing agent for their sterile impotent randian paradise.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
21. Absolutely not.........
Tue May 21, 2013, 04:21 PM
May 2013

Apple benefits tremendously by being headquartered in the U.S. and having substantial operations and sales here.

They benefit from our free market economy, our infrastructure, our people that are mostly educated at public expense, etc.

They are a success story not solely on their own. Yes, they have been visionaries in some regards and are masters at marketing. But they are not "self-made" by any means. Without the benefits of our economic and legal system they would not be the company they are today.

They have played games to avoid paying a fair share of taxes. They should be ashamed themselves.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
22. Maybe they should get hungry kids to write notes of apology to Apple
Tue May 21, 2013, 04:28 PM
May 2013

Because the programs that get cut to subsidize companies like Apple are the ones directed at the neediest in society.

This is just another instance of Paul trying to be dormitory cool by slithering up next to Apple. If Paul's grandstanding attracts anyone to his cause, then the people he attracts are pretty much morans to begin with. What a fucking loser asshole.

I like and own several Apple products, but I'm growing more and more disappointed in Apple and its business practices.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
44. If Apple pays $7 billion in taxes this year then that more than covers the $4.8 bil
Wed May 22, 2013, 01:50 PM
May 2013

that the government spends on WIC. And those billions spent by the government subsidize the dairy, meat and veg producers who supply the limited options available to WIC families.

Just like most of us, Apple doesn't write the tax laws, nor do they get to tell the government how to spend the billions they pay in taxes.

These hearings created the impression that Apple was violating US tax laws. They were not. Apple was a scapegoat in these hearings.

 

RevStPatrick

(2,208 posts)
23. Let me spell it out for you, Senator...
Tue May 21, 2013, 04:30 PM
May 2013

...because it's all right there in the article.
A very simple cut 'n paste job.
Ready?
Here goes:

"...Apple had used a network of offshore shell companies in recent years to avoid paying taxes..."

But I know this is going to ring hollow with you, Senator.
Those words will bounce around the inside of your skull, and you will never acknowledge them.
How do I know that?
Very simple.
You use one of those phrases that means nothing, and is simply shallow dog-whistle stuff:

"...compliment them for the job creation..."

Yeah, you're an empty vessel, Senator.
A thoughtless loon, reciting the lines given to you by evil parasites.


BanzaiBonnie

(3,621 posts)
26. What a tool
Tue May 21, 2013, 04:54 PM
May 2013

And he continues to show himself to be only a tool. Not an ounce of integrity. Bought and sold to the highest bidder.

calimary

(81,443 posts)
33. Hey rand - you're in NO position to demand ANYTHING, pipsqueak!
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:18 PM
May 2013

I suppose you'll want to apologize to BP, too, like some of your little pals in the House wanted to do after that near-extinction event in the Gulf of Mexico a short while back?

What a jerk! And what does this say about the voters in his state then? They like this shit? They think this is a good thing?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
35. The Republicans do not seem to understand the purpose of Congressional hearings.
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:25 PM
May 2013

Congress' authority to hold the hearings derives from the necessary and proper clause in Article I, section 8 of the Constitution.

The purpose of the hearings is not to embarrass or punish people but to determine whether laws are being properly carried out by the executive branch and whether the existing laws need to be changed better to reach the goals of the government.

For example, the reason for calling Apple executives before Congress is not to punish them. Congress doesn't have the authority to sentence the guilty. That's the job of the courts. Article III of the Constitution provides the structure of the courts and instructs on their authority.

Rand Paul puts himself out there as such an expert on the Constitution. Really?

Check Wikipedia on congressional oversight and the Constitution if you don't believe me.

Initech

(100,100 posts)
47. And this is why I firmly stand by my claim that hes the dumbest man weve ever elected to the senate.
Wed May 22, 2013, 05:46 PM
May 2013

Steviehh

(115 posts)
49. Agreeing w/ Rand
Wed May 22, 2013, 08:24 PM
May 2013

Damn, like my boss says, if we could get a guy w/ one idea, he could make it work. We give all businesses a free ride in taxes.
However, Apple is playing by the rules. Oil Co., banks,GE, etc, get a free ride plus.

Waste of time.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
50. Apple benefits from the infrastructure and education America provides, as well as
Wed May 22, 2013, 08:34 PM
May 2013

the general stability of the social climate. Apple needs to pay it's fair share.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
52. The taxpayers here just don't want to pay more taxes yet Apple gets out of paying taxes
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:18 PM
May 2013

one rule for the rich and one rule for the poor

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
56. And why should Congress ever obey to that other shmuck's order?
Wed May 22, 2013, 11:02 PM
May 2013

Picture this:

- rand paul: CONGRESS: APOLOGIZE TO APPLE!

- Congress: YES, YOUR infinite gRand majesty....

King_Klonopin

(1,306 posts)
59. Call it "1984"; Call it "bizarro world"....
Thu May 23, 2013, 04:29 AM
May 2013

but call it for what it is: evil.

This nit wit, and those like him, really do see
the world completely ass-backwards.

Apple, et. al, should be apologizing TO US -- the
middle class -- who get stuck with the bill for the
balance due on the national budget. They should
beg for forgiveness and admit to being unpatriotic.

But they won't.

And Rand Paul, one of Satan's PR guys, won't come
to our defense, either.
He will always live in his warped little fantasy world
where tax cuts for the rich, flat taxes, or no taxes
at all are the utopian ideal; and where raising the
minimum wage and guaranteed health care for
everyone is derided as an "entitlement" mentality.

He expects us to be distracted and pacified by a tax
cut which amounts to 2 or 3 pennies on every dollar
we earn -- if that -- while those obscenely rich thieves
haul in billions through a legally protected con game.

BP uber alles! Apple uber alles! Kochs uber alles!


Dash87

(3,220 posts)
61. Corporate bootlicker Rand Paul back at it again.
Thu May 23, 2013, 09:19 AM
May 2013

Further proof that conservative libertarians exist primarily to kiss corporate ass.

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