for this and many other things.

Do you really think the republican senators will let the president get a new AG? He can't even get his cabinet or judges confirmed. As much as I am mad holder didn't go after the banks and wall street he's better then nobody. And President Obama would be without an AG.

If in 2008 we know what holder would do on this, privacy, etc. none of us would have believed it.

stepped on his schwantz in pursuit of the short-term gain.

The man lacks judgment.

Whatever value he has to the President has just become eclipsed by his baggage. And an acting AG, at this point, would be more useful than a crippled AG Holder.

the only difference is Holder will not be sucking at the public teat.

To think what might have been...

This is not acceptable if we want to keep a free society.

And another WILL be appointed, and until another is appointing there will be an Acting AG.

Can you imagine the right wingers heads exploding!!! Haha

Was it not a legal search with a warrant or did I misread it?

If W had done this, we would all be outraged.

There is a certain point where principle has to rule.

required by law but this isnt about Bush or his dislike of following the law this is about Holder and this case so in this case was a warrant legally obtained as required by law or not?

It's principle. We are legally firing hellfire missiles at funerals as well, but I am still against it.

The law is not the final end of morality.

He used the National Security Agency and not the FBI.

All communications in the United States are monitored going back many years.

A good read is "the puzzle palace" written in 1983 by James Bamford.

Maybe the procedures were followed, but when these are secret the constitutional questions don't get raised.

In terms of the past consensus about what can be done in pursing reporters for reporting, it was outside the commonly-assumed constitutional box.

It has never been assumed to be against the law for a reporter to report. And yes, they talk to sources. There is no reporting without that.

This is from a WaPo article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/justice-departments-scrutiny-of-fox-news-reporter-james-rosen-in-leak-case-draws-fire/2013/05/20/c6289eba-c162-11e2-8bd8-2788030e6b44_story.html

newspapers and reporters reporting the news it doesnt grant them immunity from a crime nor does it make them immune from a legally obtained warrant as the constitution requires.

supporting articles. I deeply resent Fox news for saying the reporter "was spied on for doing his job". That's absolutely untrue. He was spied on because of his participation in stealing the info. Kim did not contact the reporter, he met him at a conference. Kim's own words were "he used me like a rag doll". The code names, how to do it, everything was created by Rosen. It seems based on a couple emails that they were having a personal relationship. Reporting is not meeting a scientist, wooing them, dating them, creating a secret method for communicating, and then telling him that you want him to steal info to "direct" policy on N Korea. The end result was a spy in N Korea was outed. One of the most secretive nations on the planet. Obama has only prosecuted cases where a spy or double agent was outed. Participating in the theft of info is not the same as reporting the theft of info.. Doing it for profit and to "direct" policy just adds insult to injury. He's not a journalist, he's a political hack for the right wing.

No one's going to slap the reporter in jail, but that government employee has a problem, as he should.

If you're going to drop a dime, you'd better a) Be smart about it; b) Be prepared to face the consequences.

We, The People don't pay government employees to leak shit to Faux Snooze or any other news agency.

"leaking news ahead of my competitors" with actual, er, lawbreaking by the government. The lawbreaking happened by the jerk doing the leaking, and that's the ONLY lawbreaking that was happening.

You obviously didn't read the guy's email, replete with "hugs and kisses"--otherwise you wouldn't be saying that. And so proudly, too!

Daniel Ellsberg has NO desire to be compared with this pig of a GOP operative disguising himself as a reporter--the man has integrity. Mark Felt was nothing like this irresponsible government employee with a grudge, feeding shit to a Faux Snooze reporter to give him a leg up at work.

And Your effort to compare them is quite...sickening. It is a disgrace to the work that both Felt and Ellsberg did.

You sure you didn't take a wrong turn, or is it that you just don't understand what happened, here?

I hope his "love and kisses" notes to his sources make him UNEMPLOYABLE as a ...cough, choke... "journalist" (need to disinfect that word after using it near him) real soon.

He denied something last week...
maybe that was the IRS thing...

Making Cole the signer of subpoenas.

Nothing about FOX.

Read: http://www.democraticunderground.com/101664359

This blew my mind:

Warrants are supposed to be based on probable cause of an underlying crime. What exactly is the underlying state secret that needed to be so desperately defended?

why we have the appeals courts to challenge such things later on.

that are retrieved ON government computers or government telephones, are subject to monitoring?

In fact, when you're in the military, you learn to say the phrase "This line is not secure and is subject to monitoring" when you pick up the phone.

The probable cause likely came out of that end of the equation.

You DO understand that the government employee wasn't 'leaking' the Secretary of State's penchant for butter cookies and Earl Grey tea, the argument he had with a senior aide, or his habit of enjoying a game of tennis after work--he was leaking classified intelligence that was not fully vetted. You can't do that and stay employed. And if you look at the email exchange, it's clear that Rosen is on a fishing trip--he wants what he can get that might make the administration look bad, and he wants to get a jump on his "competition."

When this kind of stuff happens and foreign governments are involved, the government employee would be called a spy, and the reporter would be called a handler. If you have a problem with the Espionage Act, I urge you to take your concerns up with Congress.

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/23/18451142-holder-okd-search-warrant-for-fox-news-reporters-private-emails-official-says

the person operating in the State Department would also be a political operative for the Right. You got people coming out and defending the Right against a person with authority to investigate them. Holder needs to stay where he is. He is someone the President trust. If the President trust him, so do I. Holder did not create his credentials in some vacuum. The people attacking him is messing with the wrong person. The rightwingers and their accomplices can whine all they want and it is time to expose their helpers in this second Term. I hope the ones get annihilated are them and rightwingers in Congress like Issa and Boner with their deceptive scandals. They all have one focus, and that is to take down this Administration. When someone calls for Special Counsels outside of Holder and the DOJ is a dead give away to me. When the claim is Republicans are more honest than Holder is a give away what their agendas are. It is very deceptive.

I definitely know who the enemy of the Left's causes are and it certainly isn't Eric Holder. It is the people these so called purists are defending like FOX. FOX is a tool of Rupert Murdoch. There is nothing about freedom of the Press at all with FOX except a slanted rightwing agenda that can be defined as propaganda. Do not defend FOX or anything associated with FOX as some news organization to me. FOX needs to be exposed for what they really represent and someone finally has the guts to take them on. The rest of the media needs to clean up their acts too in this persons opinion. Either do your jobs without bias or quit pretending you are news organizations. They need to report news and not some right or leftwing agenda period.

I hope he stays on for the next 4 years.

This must somehow be their fault right? I mean it's not like Obama wanted to pick a power corrupt clown like Holder for his AG. But it must be that the damn Republicans in the broken congress forced him to do so and forced him to keep him on all this time despite ongoing gross incompetence.

Can we please get an attorney general who considered massive financial fraud on wallstreet maybe a little bit more important than busting grandmothers with cancers for smoking weed?

to unlawfully release government intelligence materials in order to try to fuck over the Obama administration and play "gotcha?" And they SAID AS MUCH in those emails?



Are you sure you're on the right website?

no matter what he's done or hasn't done. It's so damn predictable. It's almost funny but not quite.

And you're right. It's not funny because most Dems I know are pretty smart, and when people don't read what the issue is, and knee-jerk a stupid response that doesn't fit the thread, or the situation, it makes you wonder what they're on about, and why.

Their specialty is hit and run.

Very high entertainment value too, Sir.
Fox Snooze and AG Holder going at it hammer and tongs ...
I mean you can't lose.

self-deleted. Answered my own question, above.

In fact this is one of the few things he has actually done right.

He should have been gotten rid of long ago. The fact that he is still there indicates there's something more than we know.

besides the obvious fuel for the right that him staying leaves one has to ask the question
what has he done ?

in 2008 the banks nearly brought down the financial system
how many top bank execs has holder prosecuted. that in itself is reason for him to go
Obama should ask for his resignation in the morning

to do anything. First it was Susan Rice from the so called Holier than thou Left supporting the rightwing for supposedly John Kerry. Now it is Eric Holder for who else they want in the job. So who do you people want to replace Holder with now? Who is this person you claim will carry out your manifesto? Or is it you people just want to get Holder out of there and will point at anything to do it. Like defending a so called FOX NEWS REPORTER as your evidence of Holder's malfeasance. WHILE YOU ARE AT IT, WHY DON"T YOU TELL THE PRESIDENT TO RESIGN FOR THE DRONE POLICY! I ALSO WONDER IF IT IS THE SAME PROGRESSIVES RAISING NOISES WHEN IT COMES TO BENGHAZI AND IRS SCANDALS?

So lets be clear now, they are no different than Ralph Nader and are like rabi risers. They want you to defend the rights of the corporate press and reporters from Fox. Now FOX News is considered a News organization. These people calling themselves the Left can't help it from cutting off their own left hand with the right one. It is the same with people calling themselves the Left to defend the rights of the Tea Party out to destroy them. Is there little doubt FOX is out to destroy the Left and actively engaged in recruiting a Presidential candidate ( Petraeus) for the Republican Party? So they want us to force Holder to resign because he engaged or signed off permission for the FBI to surveill FOX for possibly treasonable acts? Holder who is the first African American Attorney General needs to serve out his term, just like the First African American President. Regardless of how you see it, you know who I'm going to support. I know Holder as a Civil Rights defender and I'm sticking with him thank you! I suggest Holder stick in there and the President too. Holder knows where his roots are, I suggest he goes there for his back. Holder is doing a better job overall than any other Attorney General in History did period! Just name one Republican Attorney General has done a better job.

This goes back several years.

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-rare-peek-into-a-justice-department-leak-probe/2013/05/19/0bc473de-be5e-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_story_2.html[/url]

The Kim case began in June 2009, when Rosen reported that U.S. intelligence officials were warning that North Korea was likely to respond to United Nations sanctions with more nuclear tests. The CIA had learned the information, Rosen wrote, from sources inside North Korea.

The story was published online the same day that a top-secret report was made available to a small circle within the intelligence community — including Kim, who at the time was a State Department arms expert with security clearance.

(SNIP)

Court documents show abundant evidence gathered from Kim’s office computer and phone records, but investigators said they needed to go a step further to build their case, seizing two days’ worth of Rosen’s personal e-mails — and all of his e-mail exchanges with Kim.

Privacy protections limit searching or seizing a reporter’s work, but not when there is evidence that the journalist broke the law against unauthorized leaks. A federal judge signed off on the search warrant — agreeing that there was probable cause that Rosen was a co-conspirator.

Follow the link for a more detailed timeline.

Fact of the matter is, a prosecuting attorney like Holder might sign in agreement with his underlings as it refers to the presentation of the information/facts presented in a warrant but a Judge has to sign the warrant to have it executed/served and legal. No attorney for the state has the authority to do so and as such it would not have been executed. So, some judge somewhere in the federal government had to read it, evaluate it and sign it for it to be a valid search warrant. So, who was that?

in the same manner that the SEC (Selective Enforcement Commission)

made Madoff's case vanish

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One does not leave a multi million dollar a year legal job, to become USAG;
for anything other than to guarantee nolle prosequi of special interest and a goon squad against herb smokers

Purported to be from Rosen in government affedavit were posted under another DU story. These seems to support and justify the investigation that Rosen was actively seeking classified information from Kim. It wasn't just that Kim leaked it, Rosen ASKED Kim to give him classified information. Not only that, Rosen tells Kim in one email that he wants the info from Kim so that by revealing it, helps force the administration to take a certain foreign policy stance. If that was the case, WHAT WAS HOLDER SUPPOSE TO DO? Looks like a clash between the government and one reporter with an agenda.