To cut the snark (and that subject line was snarky), I'm thinking the mother of this child must be suffering some sort of mental disconnect. That is not normal human behavior.

to the point that she just flushed without thinking, hoping it would all go away.

Societies that shame young pregnant girls without husbands have to consider that this stuff is going to happen from time to time. It's the price of being allowed to shame the girls.

please find another source to post on DU... thanks

All this squabbling over sources is petty and makes the truth subject to the fidelity of the teller. Sometimes it just doesn't freaking matter who said it.

Links to Beck sites give the racist douchebag advertising dollars when people visit them.

Especially when there are multiple sources for a story like this. And why would you want to give him the clicks to support him? Honest to God indeed.

then you might be in the wrong place.

...then you might be in the wrong place.

I don't link to Beck or any wingnut sites, but I'm not willing to piss on another DU member who does if there is no agenda.

Who's laughing all the way to the bank.

Having said that, since this was the first I'd seen of this, I appreciate the OP for posting it.

A story that shakes my faith in humanity to the core and everyone focuses on whose website the story is on. Just another quiver in faith I guess.

I appreciate your posting. Didn't mean to reply to you, please don't make anything of the fact my response to further up thread was attached to your post.

as a source is not a good idea, is pissing on someone?

Sorry, I wasn't aware you were such a tender blossom.

You didn't "let someone know...it's not a good idea." You insinuated they don't belong here. Which is against DU rules, as you know.

Yes, that's pissing on them.

Not so much an insinuation but rather a question.

It's quite helpful to realize the difference between 'imply' and 'infer'.

that if he doesn't know why Glenn Beck is not an acceptable source, then he MIGHT be in the wrong place.

That wasn't pissing on anyone. Do YOU think that Glenn Beck is an acceptable source?

Nice try indeed.

I grok what you said, what you implied, and what you meant. I doubt I am alone.

As for your question, "Do YOU think that Glenn Beck is an acceptable source?"

So you didn't even read my post before replying. A drive-by shooter. Figures.

I hope he never knows that his mom flushed him down the toilet.

And that she never lays eyes on him again.

I don't CARE what her problems might be.

Too many infants and children die or live horribly because wretched people were given second...or third or fourth chances.

Attempted murder should forfeit any parental rights instantly.

we should NOT be surprised to see more and more babies disposed of this way.

During Jesus' times, dumping babies in the garbage and on river banks was a very common form of birth control. Since the "religious" right wants to outlaw abortions and birth control, the one remaining method for women to avoid unwanted children is to dump them. And most anti-choice and anti-birth control people don't really seem to mind this final birth control method. Because if you rescued a baby from the garbage dump during ancient Roman times, the child was your slave for life.

him, and that someone who wants to love him and care for him will STEP UP and adopt him!

How is it to have such little value for life?

His wife went along too. They were shocked at the way people behave in public. Everybody pushes and shoves to get where they want to go. Instead of lining up at a public restroom, everybody just pushes their way in--survival of the fittest. The handicapped or old ones haven't a chance. Same with traffic: they had a driver, but he drove like a maniac with no apparent regard to any rules of the road--and they all drive that way. Their impression is that there are simply so many, many people, that life just doesn't mean much. Or one individual's life.

The other thing that shocked them was the pollution. The air is a constant dirty haze. The sun has no chance to shine, except through a haze of smog. And they'd find soot settling on their bodies after being outside. There is no wildlife in the city of Bejiing--no birds or squirrels and hardly anything growing like gardens. Just miles and miles of buildings and pavement. To make matters worse with the polluted air, everyone smokes!

And then another car, and no one did a thing. No compassion. No empathy. A large population shouldn't be the sole reason for this mindset.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?layout=tablet&client=mv-google&ipadtype=2&utcoffset=-240&v=SFjdMKJVkzQ&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2F%3Freload%3D2%26rdm%3Dmn9hkq21q&has_verified=1

I hope this is his low point, and things will improve rapidly for him. What a shame that people place such little value on life. It's hard to comprehend how anyone could do such a thing.

Hopefully he'll be adopted and given a good life, even though that young, his nervous system may be affected, maybe not.

I hope he never learns he was tossed away... If it's unavoidable when he learns it, he's taught he a valuable human being.

At the links from the thread the comments to be no better if not worse than the act itself. A lot of hateful people in the world.

Which is slightly better news, I guess.

Good comments, by the way.

Not enough love, too many ridiculous rules and expectations, not enough support from society and from each other, greed, selfishness, lack of caring, fear and panic. no empathy for the helpless and less fortunate.

We need to do better.

I would adopt that kid if I were able.

Maybe the pregnant person was mentally ill.

Maybe the pregnant person was an unmarried teen and afraid to tell her parents.

Maybe the pregnant person already had a child and couldn't afford the tax on a 2nd one---China has a One Child policy, after all.

There's no way of knowing what the issue is until the person who gave birth to that child is located--if they ever are.

Your hypotheticals pale before the graphic fact that a live baby was flushed head first down the toilet. I have no problem judging this as utterly fucked up, right here, right now. The "issues" of who did it excuse nothing. If the flusher thought their own issues were more important, then by definition they thought the child's life cheap in comparison. Which was my point. A baby deserves a parent who thinks their life is precious, and to be guarded at all costs.

Is a worse denigration of innocent life possible? Flushing a crying baby into a sewer pipe!?!

and might not be in her right mind. That baby was likely delivered into that sewer pipe by someone who was alone and not thinking straight.

It's not a question of "whose issues are more important," it's that anyone who could do such a thing is plainly not of sound mind--this is not how normal humans behave. Not knowing the flusher, you have absolutely no way of "knowing" what she might have thought--she might have been mentally ill, psychotic, even, or in dreadful fear for her own life.

It's just not valid to overlay your culture and your personal views on this person. We simply do not know her motivations--or even if she had the mental capacity to have motivations--for all we know, she could be a developmentally delayed person who was interefered with and no one realized she was pregnant owing to overweight--we simply Do Not Know.

I am happy the child was rescued, but I remain concerned that there's someone out there who may be in extremis after this delivery and may also be in need of medical and psychiatric care.

todays good news story despite the bad cicumstances. It really good seeing the baby's face on the news videos here in the UK when he first appears from the pipe.

and left to die in the street by bystanders. She did die of her injuries.

On the other hand, we here in the country of mass gun massacres can't be too judgmental of another country's reverence for life.

His little cries/whimpering while they're cutting away the pipe are heartrending.

They don't advocate contraception, despite the One Child law.

The answer to unintended pregnancy is abortion.

The mother said that the child slipped down the pipe as she gave birth, and immediately notified the landlord, who called the people to cut the pipe. She did not immediately reveal her relationship to the child.

The plumbing over there is quite different and more direct, apparently--like some of the village plumbing in the middle east and southwest asia.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/reports-woman-who-reported-baby-trapped-in-sewer-pipe-in-china-kept-quiet-about-being-mother/2013/05/28/ed9d85ae-c811-11e2-9cd9-3b9a22a4000a_story.html

My faith in humanity got a little boost learning this. Now it isn't a case of throwing away a human life, rather a rescue of a baby from unfortunate circumstances. May the rest of your life be one filled with joy lil'dude.