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maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 11:19 AM Jun 2013

Brass testify on bills aimed at military sexual assaults

Source: USAToday

WASHINGTON -- Members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said Tuesday they oppose proposals that would remove commanders' discretion to overturn decisions to prosecute troops and throw out their convictions, issues that have triggered indignation in light of the sexual assault crisis affecting the military.

Gen. Raymond Odierno, the Army chief of staff, told the Senate Armed Services Committee the service had "failed in our efforts to date to protect" soldiers and civilians from sexual assault and harassment.

Commanders, however, need to keep their authority in handling sexual assault cases, Odierno said. Removing that authority will make commanders less accountable, affect unit discipline and delay punishment, he said.

All of the chiefs said the Senate needs to consider the effect of making changes on commanders' ability to deal with their troops.


Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/04/brass-testify-on-bill-aimed-at-military-sexual-assault/2387817/

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Brass testify on bills aimed at military sexual assaults (Original Post) maddezmom Jun 2013 OP
Geez......he doesn't get it....this statement is proof Gin Jun 2013 #1
I know. I am totally disgusted. maddezmom Jun 2013 #2
Well I suppose he's right. okwmember Jun 2013 #4
Brass balls GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #3
Why NOT return the rule to its orginal rule, i.e. anyone in the change of command has this power happyslug Jun 2013 #5

Gin

(7,212 posts)
1. Geez......he doesn't get it....this statement is proof
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 11:24 AM
Jun 2013

Commanders, however, need to keep their authority in handling sexual assault cases, Odierno said. Removing that authority will make commanders less accountable, affect unit discipline and delay punishment


He needs to understand that commanders were part of the problem.....there was no safe place to report these assaults......

okwmember

(345 posts)
4. Well I suppose he's right.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 11:37 AM
Jun 2013

It will certainly will affect unit discipline and punishment if those guilty actually have to be disciplined and punished. By the way how exactly does the authority to overturn a guilty verdict not delay punishment?

As well educated as the brass are, these guys don't even have the smarts to pay lip service to solving this problem.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
5. Why NOT return the rule to its orginal rule, i.e. anyone in the change of command has this power
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 12:14 PM
Jun 2013

Thus if the Commander In Chief (i.e. President Obama) believe the change ordered by a subordinate was wrong, he could change it back himself. Thus not only the Commander will have to justify what he or she did, but everyone in the chain of command would have to, up to and including the President of the US.

That was the rule, when this rule was first adopted by Oliver Cromwell in 1649 and it prevented commanders from over ruling any Court Martial without just cause (Or course the opposition was also permitted under the Rules, i.e. the Commander could INCREASE any punishment ordered by a Court Martial, as did General Winfield Scott did in Mexico in 1848 in regards to American Soldiers, when he ordered them HANGED instead of just whipped).

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