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alp227

(32,025 posts)
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 09:14 PM Jun 2013

I.R.S. Spent $4.1 Million on Conference, Audit Finds

Source: new york times

The Internal Revenue Service spent $4.1 million on a single conference in Southern California in 2010, paying top dollar for hotel rooms, $27,500 for a keynote speaker and tens of thousands of dollars for gifts to the 2,600 people who attended, according to a newly released Treasury Department audit.

But the audit also shows that such expenditures fell sharply when the Obama White House clamped down on travel and conferences as budgets tightened and a scandal erupted over how much the General Services Administration had spent on conferences. I.R.S. spending on such meetings fell to $4.8 million in the 2012 fiscal year, which ended Sept. 30, from $37.5 million in fiscal 2010.

The audit, conducted by the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration, has given Republicans a new reason to be outraged at the nation’s tax-collecting agency, which is already under fire for targeting conservative groups for special scrutiny when applying for tax-exempt status.

The House Ways and Means Committee opened hearings on Tuesday to take testimony from members of the Tea Party and other conservative groups that say they were mistreated by the I.R.S.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/05/us/politics/irs-spent-4-1-million-on-a-single-conference-audit-finds.html



On 5/27 the Times reported possible IRS law violations by the Wetumpka Tea Party, Gerritson's organization:

The Wetumpka Tea Party, from Alabama, sponsored training for a get-out-the-vote initiative dedicated to the “defeat of President Barack Obama” while the I.R.S. was weighing its application.


In Alabama, the Wetumpka Tea Party organized a day of training for its members and other Tea Party activists across the region in the run-up to the 2012 election. The training was held under the auspices of the Adopt-a-State program, a nationwide effort that encouraged Tea Party groups in safely red or blue states to support Tea Party groups in battleground states working to get out the vote for Republicans.

Becky Gerritson, Wetumpka’s president, said in an e-mailed statement that her group engaged “mostly in education on all sorts of topics” and that the day of training was just one of a variety of events that it held for “educational purposes.”


This article mixes both the hearing and report together.

Karen Kenney, founder of the San Fernando Valley Tea Party in California, said the I.R.S. demands for information “read like the chilling words from the 1950s” and she denounced “the jackboot of tyranny upon the field of our founding documents.”

Becky Gerritson, president of the Wetumpka Tea Party in Alabama, grew emotional as she recounted poor treatment at the hands of I.R.S. officials who reviewed her application for tax-exempt status.

“I’m not interested in scoring political points,” she said. “I want to protect and preserve the America that I grew up in, the America that people cross oceans and risk their lives to become a part of. And I’m terrified it is slipping away.”

Committee Republicans — and a vocal contingent of supporters in the audience — cheered on the witnesses, but some committee Democrats let their patience slip.

“None of your organizations were kept from organizing or silenced,” said Representative Jim McDermott, Democrat of Washington. “We are talking about whether or not the American taxpayers will subsidize your work. We’re talking about a tax break. If you didn’t come in and ask for this tax break, you would have never had a question asked of you.”


Bloomberg also reported on the NOM chair testimony:

Among the witnesses at today’s hearing was John Eastman, chairman of the National Organization for Marriage. The group’s political opponents received its confidential information, including a donor list, that contained markings suggesting it had come from the IRS. That can’t be inadvertent and it has chilled donors, he said.

“You can imagine our shock and disgust over this,” he said. He said he has been “stonewalled” in attempts to get information from the IRS or its inspector general about the document release. Eastman’s group opposes same-sex marriage.


When the scandal first broke, Thom Hartmann invited some Tea Party activists on his show and explain WHAT kind of social welfare that TP groups provide. None could give a definitive answer. For example, Judson Phillips on May 20:

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I.R.S. Spent $4.1 Million on Conference, Audit Finds (Original Post) alp227 Jun 2013 OP
Big Corporations all do this kind of stuff. Mr.Bill Jun 2013 #1
Exactly. But people don't get that a single huge bureaucracy, like the IRS is basically a company. onehandle Jun 2013 #3
They "need" a "keynote speaker" who costs $27,500? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #5
I've been involved in hiring keynote speakers that cost much, much more than that. onehandle Jun 2013 #8
A company spends its own money. tabasco Jun 2013 #15
Yeah, fuck those gubberment workers. onehandle Jun 2013 #16
I was a government worker for years tabasco Jun 2013 #17
The gubberment spends billions of taxpayer money on unnecessary corporate welfare... onehandle Jun 2013 #2
A complete and utter waste of *our* money. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #4
The banks the taxpayers rescued in 2008... Hubert Flottz Jun 2013 #6
NJ Gov Christie is spending $12 MILLION to hold special election that could be done in Nov for free Tx4obama Jun 2013 #7
The 'apologists' for these IRS misdeeds on this forum amaze me. Had this happened under a Purveyor Jun 2013 #9
fucking hogwash.. frylock Jun 2013 #13
Well you best make sure 'your' backyard is cleared of shit before peeking over the fence into Purveyor Jun 2013 #18
the only group denied tax exempt status this round was a liberal group.. frylock Jun 2013 #20
Yup. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2013 #19
So the IRS was spending about 12% as much on such things in FY 2012 as it was in FY 2010. Lasher Jun 2013 #10
FORTUNATELY, elleng Jun 2013 #11
"And I’m terrified it is slipping away," ~ Becky Gerritson Hubert Flottz Jun 2013 #12
it's laughable that she would bring up the spectre of Joe McCarthy.. frylock Jun 2013 #14

Mr.Bill

(24,294 posts)
1. Big Corporations all do this kind of stuff.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 09:22 PM
Jun 2013

The hospital corp my wife worked for had weekend conferences that included massages, horseback riding on the beach, snow siing, etc. Oh, yeah, and some training seminars. I don't even work there and I got to go sometimes as a spouse. The hospital corp is a non-profit organization.

Companies don't do this stuff because they are party animals. They don't do it to waste money. They do it because it increases job teamwork skills, reduces turnover and increases morale and productivity. They do it because it is proven to be cost-effective.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
3. Exactly. But people don't get that a single huge bureaucracy, like the IRS is basically a company.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 09:26 PM
Jun 2013

And it's composed of PEOPLE. Who need training, support, and REWARDS.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
8. I've been involved in hiring keynote speakers that cost much, much more than that.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 09:34 PM
Jun 2013

The 27 grand may include the travel, hotel costs, incidentals, and a big stack of books that the speaker may have written, as a gift for the attendees.

If so, the speaker probably got paid in the mid teens or less.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
15. A company spends its own money.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 10:46 PM
Jun 2013

The IRS spends my money.

If the generous benefits and job security are not enough incentive to work for the IRS, an employee can go find a job in the private sector and enjoy the advantages they find there.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
16. Yeah, fuck those gubberment workers.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 11:08 PM
Jun 2013

They should eat their gruel and be lucky we don't process them into Soylent Green.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
17. I was a government worker for years
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 11:18 PM
Jun 2013

It was a good job with decent pay and excellent benefits. I never got a free vacation for "training" purposes.

One of the stupidest things I ever did was quit that job.

Government jobs have many benefits. Lavish parties on the taxpayer dime should not be among them.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
2. The gubberment spends billions of taxpayer money on unnecessary corporate welfare...
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 09:23 PM
Jun 2013

...and our nation of simpletons shrug.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
4. A complete and utter waste of *our* money.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 09:26 PM
Jun 2013

No more conferences, period. Do training by online seminars or videoconferencing at people's normal workplace. I have no problem with fair pay and decent benefits for IRS workers, but pissing our money away with these stupid boondoggles has to stop.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
6. The banks the taxpayers rescued in 2008...
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 09:33 PM
Jun 2013

and just a few months after the "Bailout," those "rescued" banks turned around and gave hundreds of times that $4.1 million dollar sum, to the very same CEOs who broke those same banks. Where was Issa and the blood in the water crew back then?

Bush lost over three billion in cash in Iraq and nobody even got to get drunk.(as far as we know)

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
9. The 'apologists' for these IRS misdeeds on this forum amaze me. Had this happened under a
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 09:39 PM
Jun 2013

repuke admin, this place would be exploding with outrage.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
13. fucking hogwash..
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 10:16 PM
Jun 2013

At least some of the conservative groups that are complaining about I.R.S. treatment were clearly involved in election activities on behalf of Republicans or against Democrats. When CVFC, the veterans’ group, first applied for I.R.S. recognition in early 2010, it stated that it did not plan to spend any money on politics. The group, whose full name in its application was CVFC 501(c)(4), listed an address shared with a political organization called Combat Veterans for Congress PAC. CVFC told the I.R.S. that it planned to e-mail veterans about ways in which they “may engage in government” and provide “social welfare programs to assist combat veterans to get involved in government.”

But later in 2010, as it awaited an I.R.S. ruling, the organization spent close to $8,000 on radio ads backing Michael Crimmins, a Republican and a former Marine, for a House seat in San Diego, according to Federal Election Commission records.

The spending is not detailed in the group’s tax return for 2010, raising questions about whether it properly accounted for the expense to the I.R.S. The group also checked off a box marked “No” when asked if it had engaged in direct or indirect political activities on behalf of a candidate for political office.

The group received two rounds of questions from the I.R.S. in 2012, according to its lawyer, Dan Backer. They included queries about the group’s donors and its exact relationship with Combat Veterans for Congress PAC. The agency also asked about CVFC’s activities, but the group neglected to bring up its radio ads in its follow-up responses.

Mr. Backer called the agency’s questions “sweepingly overbroad” and said the group had answered them appropriately.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/us/politics/nonprofit-applicants-chafing-at-irs-tested-political-limits.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Really? Sweepingly overbroad?! So sick of these crybaby assholes. ALL groups applying for tax exempt status should be closely scrutinized.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
18. Well you best make sure 'your' backyard is cleared of shit before peeking over the fence into
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 11:30 PM
Jun 2013

the neighbors yard.

This isn't finished as ALL will cringe with the end result.

Just saying...

frylock

(34,825 posts)
20. the only group denied tax exempt status this round was a liberal group..
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:38 PM
Jun 2013

working to get women into office. not entirely certain what you're implying.

Lasher

(27,597 posts)
10. So the IRS was spending about 12% as much on such things in FY 2012 as it was in FY 2010.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 09:40 PM
Jun 2013

How much did they spend while GWB was president?

elleng

(130,914 posts)
11. FORTUNATELY,
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 09:44 PM
Jun 2013

'some committee Democrats let their patience slip.

“None of your organizations were kept from organizing or silenced,” said Representative Jim McDermott, Democrat of Washington. “We are talking about whether or not the American taxpayers will subsidize your work. We’re talking about a tax break. If you didn’t come in and ask for this tax break, you would have never had a question asked of you.”'

Kept hearing today that woman complaining about her/their treatment.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
12. "And I’m terrified it is slipping away," ~ Becky Gerritson
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 09:47 PM
Jun 2013

Sounds kind of like Marie Antoinette.

Keep in mind that Americans who support the USA and it's troops, pay their taxes and don't bitch 24/7. That "lady" was a well to do "welfare queen," if there ever was one.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
14. it's laughable that she would bring up the spectre of Joe McCarthy..
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 10:19 PM
Jun 2013

these baggers would have been in his camp.

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