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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 09:49 PM Jun 2013

Lawmaker Facing Recall, On Why He Backed Gun Control: 'We Had Twenty 6-Year-Olds Shot In The Face'

Source: Huffington Post

Sen. John Morse is not backing down after gun-rights activists gathered double the amount of signatures needed to trigger his recall -- the first recall election in Colorado state history -- in response to his support of some of the year's strictest gun control measures.

But Morse responded to the recall effort with defiance. “We had 20 6-year-olds shot in the face, and we have the other side arguing we should do nothing, and I’m sorry, that doesn’t cut it," Morse said in response to the recall effort to the Associated Press referring to the 2012's Connecticut school shooting.

On Monday, a gun rights group, the Basic Freedom Defense Fund, delivered a petition with more than 16,000 signatures (they only needed around 7,000) to the Secretary of State's office asking to recall Senate President Morse for his support of a gun control package that Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper signed into law earlier this year including expanded background checks to include all private gun sales and transfers and a 15-round limit on ammunition magazines.

Morse also backed a measure that would hold gun manufacturers and sellers legally liable in some cases for damage caused by their weapons, however he eventually dropped the bill when it appeared that it didn't have the votes in the Senate to pass.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/04/john-morse-stands-up-to-r_n_3385694.html

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Lawmaker Facing Recall, On Why He Backed Gun Control: 'We Had Twenty 6-Year-Olds Shot In The Face' (Original Post) onehandle Jun 2013 OP
Good to see a politician stand up to the bully gun cultists. Hoyt Jun 2013 #1
Yes indeed shenmue Jun 2013 #65
good for him leftyohiolib Jun 2013 #2
Are the 16,000 signers all NRA types, or are Coloradons that nuts? napi21 Jun 2013 #3
The signature gatherers are paid liars. Robb Jun 2013 #7
Please- no need to be insulting when we actually passed gun control laws here curlyred Jun 2013 #9
Yes, we've seen sanity return to our state government with a Dem majority. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #11
Good for you, mountain grammy! nm Cha Jun 2013 #26
I hope he does hold on to the seat davidpdx Jun 2013 #31
Indeed... Colorado passes comprehensive gun conrol & we get THAT? hlthe2b Jun 2013 #21
No offense... Chan790 Jun 2013 #53
Move FotF and USAFA to Idaho Mr. David Jun 2013 #56
Unless There Are A Lot Of Duplicate Signatures On That List DallasNE Jun 2013 #24
Nathan Sproul had a hand on this. Mr. David Jun 2013 #42
you keep saying 85% will be tossed out. as happy as that would make me, do you have some niyad Jun 2013 #47
Welcome to DU, Mr. David! calimary Jun 2013 #63
On top of the NRA, this is taking place in Colorado Springs. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #25
Infested is a good word for Colorado Springs. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #37
infested with reichies, which gives me lots of opportunities to sharpen my claws. niyad Jun 2013 #44
85% of the signatures will be found invalid and thrown away Mr. David Jun 2013 #41
I wonder how many of those signatures will be found to be invalid (which gave me a great idea!) niyad Jun 2013 #4
Nathan Sproul's involved... Mr. David Jun 2013 #43
What is that percentage based on? codemoguy Jun 2013 #51
I'm feeling like someone is going to need our support denvine Jun 2013 #5
Donate to Act Blue otohara Jun 2013 #48
AP needs to release new guidelines, and stop calling them "gun-rights activists." Ian David Jun 2013 #6
murder-apologists BainsBane Jun 2013 #8
I have been calling them murder lovers. seems to annoy them, for some reason. niyad Jun 2013 #14
Touchy, aren't they? BainsBane Jun 2013 #15
I know!! who would have thought they would be so sensitive? they were fun to play with. niyad Jun 2013 #16
So does "bullet-heads"......... lastlib Jun 2013 #22
OMG I agree with you davidpdx Jun 2013 #32
Oh dear BainsBane Jun 2013 #34
No not really davidpdx Jun 2013 #35
We should hang that around their necks tblue Jun 2013 #12
What point is that? n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #13
Dec. 14, 2012....... lastlib Jun 2013 #23
I can't define it, but I know it when I see it. Ian David Jun 2013 #54
Lying, scaredy cat blowhards.. come to mnd. nm Cha Jun 2013 #28
That's right. sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #50
That is a awesome Senator Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #10
Damn the Gun lobby and the NRA. Auntie Bush Jun 2013 #17
Good for him obama2terms Jun 2013 #18
Twenty six-year olds shot in the face. Oh, screw that noise Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #19
Amen Brother! nt onehandle Jun 2013 #20
Damn.. it's good to see that Senator... ReRe Jun 2013 #27
Here he is.. bless his heart! So, yeah, he's Dem Cha Jun 2013 #29
If there is fraud going on I hope it's uncovered. davidpdx Jun 2013 #33
Yes! And, I would like to donate to John Morse but Cha Jun 2013 #36
To donate go to: mountain grammy Jun 2013 #38
Thank you, mountain grammy! Cha Jun 2013 #62
Start with Nathan Sproul Mr. David Jun 2013 #45
good to see a politician stand up to cowards Skittles Jun 2013 #30
another NON-Profit that is obvious into politics "The Basic Freedom Defense Fund, a 501(c)(4)" Sunlei Jun 2013 #39
can't even find them in IRS search as "The Basic Freedom Defense Fund, a 501(c)(4)" Sunlei Jun 2013 #46
The recall will be an epic failure on NRA's part. Mr. David Jun 2013 #40
Let's see, sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #49
People who favor common sense regulation need to tblue37 Jun 2013 #52
So 16k people who don't want to be on a list of gun owners put themselves on a list JoePhilly Jun 2013 #55
Good catch. louis-t Jun 2013 #57
Yep. Every time these braniacs put their name on a list, they end up on yet another. onehandle Jun 2013 #59
Conservatives are relentless and destructive in the 21st Century SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2013 #58
uhhh obamaman52 Jun 2013 #60
Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #61
It's sickening that so many gun rights activists place the right to bear arms AndyA Jun 2013 #64

napi21

(45,806 posts)
3. Are the 16,000 signers all NRA types, or are Coloradons that nuts?
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 09:54 PM
Jun 2013

My guess is that the loud mouths are the NRA types and the Sen. will survive the recall IF it ever really happens.

curlyred

(1,879 posts)
9. Please- no need to be insulting when we actually passed gun control laws here
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 10:23 PM
Jun 2013

How is your state doing with that?

mountain grammy

(26,621 posts)
11. Yes, we've seen sanity return to our state government with a Dem majority.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 10:36 PM
Jun 2013

No, we're not nuts. We've worked hard to get here and will work to keep Morse in his seat.
Colorado and New Mexico are two blue life rafts floating in a red sea, but we're hanging on.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
31. I hope he does hold on to the seat
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:06 AM
Jun 2013

It's about time we tell the right wing nuts we can't be intimidated.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
53. No offense...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:34 PM
Jun 2013

but I've been to your state and it's a lovely state, but it has some corners (*cough cough* Colorado Springs) that are nuttier than anyplace I've ever been before or since.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
24. Unless There Are A Lot Of Duplicate Signatures On That List
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:08 AM
Jun 2013

He is toast.

It will be NRA money vs Bloomberg money. Advantage NRA. But the equation changes should, say, 5,000 signatures get tossed for various reasons. After all, these people get paid for collecting signatures so there is incentive to get the lists padded for extra pay. Too early to call.

 

Mr. David

(535 posts)
42. Nathan Sproul had a hand on this.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:12 AM
Jun 2013

No question about his criminal activities on gathering fake signatures.

Gessler has to be held accountable as well - he's also a criminal Secretary of State that needs to be removed this November from any position.

85% of the signatures will be challenged and found to be invalid. And upheld. NRA loses, and Morse wins, and continues his career.

niyad

(113,315 posts)
47. you keep saying 85% will be tossed out. as happy as that would make me, do you have some
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:46 AM
Jun 2013

sort of proof to back that up?

calimary

(81,267 posts)
63. Welcome to DU, Mr. David!
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:10 PM
Jun 2013

Glad you're here! I HOPE most of those signatures will be challenged and found wanting. I'm tired of seeing these assholes getting in the way of progress, seemingly ALL the time!

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
25. On top of the NRA, this is taking place in Colorado Springs.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:03 AM
Jun 2013

It's fundie-central down there, home of Focus On The Family, Ted Haggard's old stomping grounds the New Life Church, etc. etc. etc.

Infested with right-wingers.

 

Mr. David

(535 posts)
41. 85% of the signatures will be found invalid and thrown away
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:09 AM
Jun 2013

and the recall fails.

We're not gun-lovers as much as you'd think.

We've had two tragedies. We know what guns does.

We're not that stupid.

Pro-gun assholes are out of control.

niyad

(113,315 posts)
4. I wonder how many of those signatures will be found to be invalid (which gave me a great idea!)
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 09:55 PM
Jun 2013

I encountered those nutbars daily for several weeks, and enjoyed the hell out of irritating them. the only mistake I made was in not checking for out-of-state plates.

denvine

(802 posts)
5. I'm feeling like someone is going to need our support
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 10:05 PM
Jun 2013

Good for him. I think this will be a showdown with the NRA spending millions to try and scare any other lawmaker from standing up to them. It's time to rally the sane people and show lawmakers it's alright to defy the NRA.

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
6. AP needs to release new guidelines, and stop calling them "gun-rights activists."
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 10:06 PM
Jun 2013

There comes a point where people stop advocating for "gun-rights" and start just being murder-apologists.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
12. We should hang that around their necks
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 10:38 PM
Jun 2013

That term works for me. Did you see Colbert yesterday? That robot gun! Everyone on that side of this issue is a murder apologist and a terrorist enabler too.

lastlib

(23,237 posts)
23. Dec. 14, 2012.......
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 11:22 PM
Jun 2013

A charming little town called Newtown, CT, at a school named Sandy Hook Elementary--you've probably never heard of it, I'd guess. That is the point at which "gun-lovers" became murder apologists.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
50. That's right.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:56 AM
Jun 2013

Never use the vocabulary of your opponents nor permit them to define either themselves or the issue.

obama2terms

(563 posts)
18. Good for him
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 10:54 PM
Jun 2013

The age of these children really opens people's eyes. Shortly after the shooting my republican pro-gun cousin came out as a gun control supporter, and just like this guy said my cousin said " when 20 innocent babies are shot it changes things." After this many tragedies, we can't do nothing. Talk isn't enough

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
19. Twenty six-year olds shot in the face. Oh, screw that noise
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 11:04 PM
Jun 2013

You can't limit access to my manhood extension. And if you do, I'll recall your ass. Because my gun is my life and I am a good guy with a gun. And I have a God given right to go squirrel hunting with a howitzer. . .and no Demoncrat is going to stop me because I love my gun more than the life of my now dead six year old that shot himself because I left my manhood extension out where he could play with it.

After all, I can always make a new baby. BUT I CANNOT MAKE A NEW GUN. . .ain't that right, Mortimer. Mortimer, that's the name of my manhood extension. MY dead baby. . .ummm, I forgot. But kids don't matter. Guns do! And I'm a good guy with a gun that will stop a bad guy with a gun, after I'm doing shitting my pants.

Besides, guns don't kill people. Guns/lawn darts/string cheese/dangerous minorities kill people. We need laws to outlaw those things. YOU CAN'T TAKE AWAY MY FUCKING GUN!!!!

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
27. Damn.. it's good to see that Senator...
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:08 AM
Jun 2013

... make a stand and not be sceerd' of the weird in CO. Already signed into to law, now. No fuss, no muss, just got the job done and off the dock. He knew what he was facing. Do you think he cares whether he's reelected? Nope. Doing the right thing was more important. We could sure use more of his kind in every state office and federal office in this land.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
29. Here he is.. bless his heart! So, yeah, he's Dem
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:23 AM
Jun 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Morse_(Colorado_legislator)


In this photo taken May 24, 2013, Democratic state Senate President John Morse, right, and Cristy Le Lait roll out a banner at the Democratic Party offices in Colorado Springs, Colo. (AP Photo/Ed Andrieski)

State Senator John Morse can stand tall among his fellow beings while the raging nrasassholes.. not so much.

From your link, onehandle..

A Morse-supporter group called A Whole Lot of People for John Morse claims that many of the petition signatures gathered were obtained fraudulently and that outside interest groups paid workers to gather signatures, CBS News reported.

According to the Gazette, since the recall effort was started, it has felt like election season for Morse's district with signature gatherers, radio ads, robocalls, polls and a total of almost $40,000 raised for both supporters and opponents of Morse.

I see no place to Donate to him?

http://www.senatorjohnmorse.com/

Looks he's the President of the Senate..

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2013a/directory.nsf/MemberDetailPage?OpenForm&district=11&chamber=senate

thanks for the OP, onehandle

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
33. If there is fraud going on I hope it's uncovered.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:08 AM
Jun 2013

Nothing like showing the wingnuts what hypocrites they are.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
39. another NON-Profit that is obvious into politics "The Basic Freedom Defense Fund, a 501(c)(4)"
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:02 AM
Jun 2013

Here is their website, wonder how they gain major funds for sig collection? why does the IRS allow this "non-profit" to play politics like this?

http://www.basicfreedomdefensefund.org/

 

Mr. David

(535 posts)
40. The recall will be an epic failure on NRA's part.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 10:07 AM
Jun 2013

And 85% of the signatures will be found invalid and thrown away.

The recall fails, and Morse continues his career.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
49. Let's see,
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 11:53 AM
Jun 2013

an elected representative is being recalled after legislation he voted for passed the legislature and was signed into law by the Governor. I was of the opinion that an allegation of malfeasance, backed by some claim of probable cause, was the normal standard for a recall.

tblue37

(65,362 posts)
52. People who favor common sense regulation need to
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:22 PM
Jun 2013
have his back.

If his vote ends up rallying those who want reasonable regulation, then more cowardly politicians might find something resembling a spine on this issue.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
55. So 16k people who don't want to be on a list of gun owners put themselves on a list
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 01:11 PM
Jun 2013

of gun owners.

And then gave it to the government.

Brilliant.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
59. Yep. Every time these braniacs put their name on a list, they end up on yet another.
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:43 PM
Jun 2013

For instance, the NRA's list of members.

Surely nobody in their right mind thinks that the government doesn't have that database.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,120 posts)
58. Conservatives are relentless and destructive in the 21st Century
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 04:27 PM
Jun 2013

It's going to take a "magic bullet" to stop them.

How ironic.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
64. It's sickening that so many gun rights activists place the right to bear arms
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 07:55 PM
Jun 2013

above the right to life. That's basically what it boils down to. Better someone else give up their right to live their life before they give up their f*cking guns. Sick and pathetic.

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