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struggle4progress

(118,309 posts)
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:54 PM Jun 2013

Swiss president would back criminal probe against NSA leaker

Source: Reuters

GENEVA | Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:04pm BST

(Reuters) - Swiss President Ueli Maurer said on Sunday he doubted Edward Snowden's claims about his activities as a CIA man in Geneva and would back a criminal investigation into the secrets leaker if Swiss prosecutors called for one ...

"It does not seem to me that it is likely that this incident played out as it has been described by Snowden and by the media," Maurer was quoted as saying in the Der Sonntag and SonntagsBlick newspapers.

"This would mean that the CIA successfully bribed the Geneva police and judiciary. With all due respect, I just can't imagine it," SonntagsBlick quoted him as saying.

He added that Snowden was just 23 at the time, and unlikely to have had knowledge of such an operation, and that the CIA usually dealt with terrorism rather than financial espionage ...


Read more: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/06/16/uk-usa-security-switzerland-snowden-idUKBRE95F08T20130616?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews



Swiss president calls for foreign spy inquiries
June 16, 2013 - 12:32

In response to an American whistleblower’s revelations of US spies operating in Geneva, Swiss president Ueli Maurer has called for a broadening of legislation to allow for investigations into foreign spy activity in Switzerland.

“We have known for a long time that foreign information-gathering activities have increased in Switzerland,” the president and minister of defence told the NZZ am Sonntag newspaper, stating that he was “not surprised” by revelations of such activities provided by 29-year-old National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden last week. However, Maurer pointed that the country currently lacks the necessary legislation to prosecute such foreign spy activities ...

“Cabinet recommends that the new Intelligence Service Act also be used to protect the financial sector,” Maurer told the NZZ am Sonntag, adding that the country's intelligence service may only act on specific orders from cabinet and may not determine its own activities ...

Maurer also underlined that Switzerland is not the right place for Snowden to seek asylum, since “he broke the laws of his country, and we should not support that with asylum” ...


http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss_news/Swiss_president_calls_for_foreign_spy_inquiries.html?cid=36168066
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Swiss president would back criminal probe against NSA leaker (Original Post) struggle4progress Jun 2013 OP
uh, doesn't he know Snowden is a hero arely staircase Jun 2013 #1
Exactly!!! SkyDaddy7 Jun 2013 #17
thee plot thickeneth flamingdem Jun 2013 #18
Some posters have the most ironic user names MNBrewer Jun 2013 #2
"... Let me give you a word of the philosophy of reform. The whole history of the progress struggle4progress Jun 2013 #4
I always liked that quote. nt MADem Jun 2013 #13
That's nice. Have you checked in with the president of Zambia? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #3
Have you been following this story carefully? Snowden's claim, that the CIA recruited a Swiss banker struggle4progress Jun 2013 #5
Haven't you heard? Snowden told a fantastic story! Therefore, true or not, domestic spying is OK!! PSPS Jun 2013 #6
Are you dragging the bottom, hoping for reactions? Happy trawling! struggle4progress Jun 2013 #7
Even if you think leaking the NSA information is ok, making up this story is disgusting karynnj Jun 2013 #8
Or it's a disgusting true story Eric J in MN Jun 2013 #10
so he can't imagine cops or judiciary being bribed? bwahahahaha. cali Jun 2013 #9
Of course he would. go west young man Jun 2013 #11
Could be. Gotta link -- or should we just believe you have some psychic powers? struggle4progress Jun 2013 #12
Your attitude about Snowden puts your obsession with Assange in sharp focus. Bonobo Jun 2013 #14
I've never taken any stand on the sexual allegations against Assange: I've merely pushed the idea struggle4progress Jun 2013 #15
Why are you so against whistleblowers? nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #16

struggle4progress

(118,309 posts)
4. "... Let me give you a word of the philosophy of reform. The whole history of the progress
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 02:20 PM
Jun 2013

of human liberty shows that all concessions yet made to her august claims, have been born of earnest struggle. The conflict has been exciting, agitating, all-absorbing, and for the time being, putting all other tumults to silence. It must do this or it does nothing. If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress ..."

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Frederick Douglass
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3 August 1857

struggle4progress

(118,309 posts)
5. Have you been following this story carefully? Snowden's claim, that the CIA recruited a Swiss banker
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 02:26 PM
Jun 2013

by encouraging him to drive while drunk and then helping him with his resulting legal difficulties, led to official requests for explanation, directed to the US from Switzerland:

Switzerland Questions US over CIA Drunk Driving Gambit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014507077

My OP here details current Swiss reaction further

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
8. Even if you think leaking the NSA information is ok, making up this story is disgusting
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 03:15 PM
Jun 2013

It is essentially saying that the CIA could get a Swiss banker drunk, encourage him to get caught driving drunk and then to offer him help. This is saying that the CIA had the means to corrupt what ever town the banker was stopped in.

This plan is idiotic -
- how likely is the banker to get caught?
- What if the banker hit another car and killed someone?

The fact that the US State Department now has to determine what - if anything - happened and apologize to the Swiss who we are working with to find tax cheats. (Imagine that screws that up -- then perhaps we could have our own conspiracy theory - this Ron Paul libertarian, believing that income taxes also are wrong wants to let people evade taxes. No backup there - but there is little supporting any of the reasons to think he was heroic.)

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
10. Or it's a disgusting true story
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 03:37 PM
Jun 2013

...and the disregard-for-the-risk-that-the-drunk-driver-would-kill-someone inspired Edward Snowden to become a leaker.

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
11. Of course he would.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 05:25 PM
Jun 2013

Snowden has effected his business and that hit's his banks and his personal bank account. These corrupt politician's don't take people messing with their money lightly.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
14. Your attitude about Snowden puts your obsession with Assange in sharp focus.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 07:01 PM
Jun 2013

Thanks for helping me to understand that it was never about Assange's alleged sexual misbehavior.

struggle4progress

(118,309 posts)
15. I've never taken any stand on the sexual allegations against Assange: I've merely pushed the idea
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 07:04 PM
Jun 2013

that Sweden is the proper place to sort out those matters

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