Dick Cheney defends NSA surveillance programs
Source: CBS
By Jake Miller
Former Vice President Dick Cheney, who played a key role in spearheading the government's expansion of surveillance authority in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, forcefully defended the legality and necessity of that surveillance on "Fox News Sunday," while slamming the Obama administration on a host of other issues.
The two programs leaked earlier in June, which allow the government to gather a broad swath of data on Americans' telephone activity and foreigners' Internet activity, may have stopped the 9/11 perpetrators in their tracks if they were in place before the attack, Cheney said.
The former vice president also argued that the programs are critically necessary to prevent another attack in the future, especially given the grave threats America faces from terrorism today.
"When you consider somebody smuggling a nuclear device into the United States, it becomes very important to gather intelligence on your enemies and stop that attack before it ever gets launched," he said.
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Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57589521/dick-cheney-defends-nsa-surveillance-programs/
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Why isn't Obama having Cheney followed and filing away everything Cheney does or says?
marshall
(6,665 posts)As is everyone in any position of high power, regardless of party.
cstanleytech
(26,300 posts)and build their own telecom considering the number of illegal wiretaps they setup. Obama though appears to atleast be using the FISA courts so imo if there is an issue is its the FISA courts and that they probably need a more independent oversight from a different branch of the government and my vote would be the judicial branch rather than the executive or the legislative branches.
liberal N proud
(60,338 posts)Atman
(31,464 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)whoops!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)indepat
(20,899 posts)resources been more effectively utilized following the Aug. 6 intelligence briefing re an imminent terrraist attack (weren't Ashcroft's lads chasing down whores in New Orleans?), the 9-11 attacks might have been thwarted.
moondust
(19,993 posts)And the Bush administration's general lack of interest in terrorist threats after being warned by the outgoing Clinton administration.
Lasher
(27,605 posts)The most evil man alive.
disidoro01
(302 posts)send chills up a person spine when Darth Cheney is aligned with the administration on this issue.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I'd like to take every dollar he's earned and churn it back into all the persons he's killed over national security.
I'd like to see him bled dry of all of that blood money, then watch him hang by his testosterone-free gonads.
24601
(3,962 posts)Commanders in Chief and cannot originate orders to Cabinet Officers. (They can relay Presidential orders, but so can just about anybody authorized by POTUS.)
VPs officially preside over the Senate and unofficially check the WP front page daily for an obituary that would indicate a job change.
So what can VPs do? Just like you or me, they can offer an opinion. Criminalize that? Not in my country - not for you, for me, or even for Cheney.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Normally, when reality wasn't turned on its head, I'd say you had a point. However, in the world of Dick Cheney, you don't.
Cheney was in charge of any militaristic "stand down" operation and any clandestine operations, period.
If you haven't been able to see that, you aren't worth the bandwidth of your next sentence!
So, I'll just cut to the chase and bid you a "Buh-bye", you misinformed individual.
24601
(3,962 posts)noticed. This has always been non-partisan career service, not plum book policy & supporting positions for non-career officers. Two of my positions required Senate Conformation and those nominations were made by GHW Bush and Bill Clinton.
I've seen this so many times before and the "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts" mindset wears a little thin.
And it's precisely the same with VP Biden and it was that way with VP Gore, VP Quayle, VP Bush & VP Mondale. And before that, they were lucky if they had a weekly office call with POTUS to ask if the dog needed to be walked or other important state matters.
Vice Presidents:
1. Preside over the US Senate and are Constitutionally the President of the Senate.
2. Vote in the Senate only to break a tie.
3. Are 1st in line for Presidential succession.
4. If POTUS allows them in the room, they can offer an opinion.
5. Have no directive power over Executive Branch Departments and Agencies. They are not Deputy Commanders. VPs cannot even appoint the people assigned to the VP's Office within EOP. Those individuals have Presidential appointments.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Now, realize that this didn't happen with DICK CHENEY.
Or, are you saying that you were part of that corrupt administration. If so, congratulations on getting comment on this message board, since you'd be supportive of the most traitorous administration of the 21st century.
I don't want to confuse you with the facts over what Dick Fucking Cheney has done during his tenure of shadow government, so stop me if I'm talking about something you were that close to. Excuse me while I put a pair of BOOTS on during this "conversation".
24601
(3,962 posts)specifically yes, I was - just like right now am part of the Obama administration.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)[IMG][/IMG] ooOOkay...
24601
(3,962 posts)be outside the definition of any President's administration due to the separation of powers. But Executive Branch civil service are indeed serving in the administration of the incumbent - and should serve without partisanship. If I wanted to be political, I'd go for a Schedule C or non-career SES appt.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)It's about defending Dick Cheney, which is where the conversation should have ended, once you bolstered up your loyalty to Dick...
24601
(3,962 posts)or loyalty to Dick, it's about getting it right. Sadly, that too often runs a distant 2nd, 3rd...125th to DU posts.
I don't have to agree with Cheney to point out that VPs (and not just him) do not have the authority described.
The one thing I do wonder about regarding Cheney is why he didn't pardon Libby. When Bush had his last colonoscopy in office, Cheney was Acting President under the provisions of the 25th Amendment. It was clear Bush was not going to pardon Libby while Cheney used strong language like "leaving a man on the battlefield."
I've never felt the need to vilify Bush over AIDs, especially given Bono's comments, Were hoping very much that President Obama is going to follow through on what President Bush did. I know thats hard for you to accept. It was amazing. You know, people like John Kerry worked for this and Hillary Clinton, and eventually President Clinton did some extraordinary stuff renegotiating the prices of
very expensive drugs down.
But George kind of knocked it out of the park. I can tell you, and Im actually here to tell you, that America now has 5 million people being kept alive by these drugs. Thats something everybody should know.
Source: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/12/01/u2s-bono-praises-george-w-bushs-aids-advocacy-on-the-daily-show/
If Cheney was the Darth Vader made out to be here, what's the explanation for not exercising the lawful power he held for two hours and five minutes? (time duration per the NYT - see link)
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/cheney-pens-letter-while-acting-as-potus/
Why should we have any reservations about praising our opponents when it's accurate? Why should we hesitate from taking Democratic leaders to task when it's deserved?
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Is that you?!? DUDE!!! Denial will get you nowhere!
We know about your "secret" meetings with the criminals from Enron. We know you anointed yourself VP to Dubya so you could continue what you started before Pappy Bush had you on his team. Hell, we ALL know just how vile and dishonest you've been for most of your adult life!
Traveling outside the US much these days, Darth?
kickysnana
(3,908 posts)pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)Dick Cheney defends NSA surveillance programs.
Of course he does.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)and to charge/punish plane hi-jackers in the civie courts. Instead we let terrorists bloom & home-grow along with the federal $$$ surveillance programs.
Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)at the Nun who went through my desk and stole my hash pipe,
Was She NSA? Fuck, It was Obama. OTH I figured out what they
were doing, and made a pipe out of a Coke can, 1971.
temmer
(358 posts)This thread hear was, because opinion&analysis are not allowed in LBN:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014510710
No offense meant, but why are Dick Cheney's opinions allowed here and Boris Johnson's not? And unlike the Cheney article, which offers the guy an exclusive platform to place his comments, the Johnson article also quotes other British politicians. So the latter is neither opinion nor analysis.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)it was in the wrong forum
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)struggle4progress
(118,309 posts)and unloved. Maybe he should go back home to enjoy the warmth of his family or spend more time hunting with his friends. Or maybe he could just hang out in another undisclosed location somewhere
bluedeathray
(511 posts)aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)He's Shitman. No one wants to mess with Shitman. Dick Cheney: "The Man Of Stool"
olddad56
(5,732 posts)totally fucking unacceptable.