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Omaha Steve

(99,669 posts)
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 07:38 PM Jun 2013

Dick Cheney defends NSA surveillance programs

Source: CBS

By Jake Miller

Former Vice President Dick Cheney, who played a key role in spearheading the government's expansion of surveillance authority in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, forcefully defended the legality and necessity of that surveillance on "Fox News Sunday," while slamming the Obama administration on a host of other issues.

The two programs leaked earlier in June, which allow the government to gather a broad swath of data on Americans' telephone activity and foreigners' Internet activity, may have stopped the 9/11 perpetrators in their tracks if they were in place before the attack, Cheney said.

The former vice president also argued that the programs are critically necessary to prevent another attack in the future, especially given the grave threats America faces from terrorism today.

"When you consider somebody smuggling a nuclear device into the United States, it becomes very important to gather intelligence on your enemies and stop that attack before it ever gets launched," he said.

FULL story at link.




Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57589521/dick-cheney-defends-nsa-surveillance-programs/

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Dick Cheney defends NSA surveillance programs (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jun 2013 OP
Obama should be tapping Cheney RobertEarl Jun 2013 #1
Because they are on the same page with this marshall Jun 2013 #14
Well....not the exact page. Remember Dick thought he and Bush had the power to ignore FISA cstanleytech Jun 2013 #19
Imagine that liberal N proud Jun 2013 #2
Except for that this program was already written about in 1998... Atman Jun 2013 #3
Says the man who was supposed to be protecting us on 9/11 Doctor_J Jun 2013 #4
What name does Dick use when he posts on DU? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #5
Ouch! nt Earth_First Jun 2013 #6
I heard he pretends to be Canadian. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #20
. Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2013 #25
Maybe someone should remind former VP Cheney that had our available counterintelligence indepat Jun 2013 #7
And Colleen Rowley --> Moussaoui. moondust Jun 2013 #15
This is the same guy who had his house blacked out on Google Maps. Lasher Jun 2013 #8
It should disidoro01 Jun 2013 #9
Wouldn't it be nice if we got the full paycheck this dickhead has earned over his "role"? MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #10
His role? VPs aren't in the chain of command in the Executive Branch, they are not Deputy 24601 Jun 2013 #11
You're missed reality on this one, buddy... MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #13
You may have a point - that me having been in every administration since mid-1972, I might not have 24601 Jun 2013 #27
Thank you for the history review... MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #28
I'm saying that everyone in the career civil service is a part of every administration. So, 24601 Jun 2013 #29
Well, then.... MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #30
I'll modify slightly and offer that civil servants assigned in judicial and legislative branches 24601 Jun 2013 #31
Sir... this isn't about you, or how your position would fit. MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #32
The only dick I care that much about lives in Tampa - wow, so do I. It's not about defending Dick 24601 Jun 2013 #35
Cheney?!? chervilant Jun 2013 #26
Well if the devil endorses it we should all change our minds about the obscenity of the whole thing. kickysnana Jun 2013 #12
War Criminal pmorlan1 Jun 2013 #16
really dumb to not lock cockpit doors against plane highjackers. Sunlei Jun 2013 #17
I'm still pissed....... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #18
Why is this thread not locked? temmer Jun 2013 #21
that thread was locked because it was not Breaking News Skittles Jun 2013 #24
Go Cheney yourself. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #22
I'm concerned that Mr Cheney seems to be seeking attention because he feels lonely struggle4progress Jun 2013 #23
NEWSFLASH! Satan defends sinning. nt bluedeathray Jun 2013 #33
Dick Cheney is a superhero aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2013 #34
Maybe it is time for us all to accept Dick Cheney for what he is.... olddad56 Jun 2013 #36
Obama am become Cheney, listening in on the world. Pterodactyl Jun 2013 #37
Do we all agree it's wrong or do some of us agree with Dick Cheney now? Fearless Jun 2013 #38
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
1. Obama should be tapping Cheney
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 07:42 PM
Jun 2013

Why isn't Obama having Cheney followed and filing away everything Cheney does or says?

marshall

(6,665 posts)
14. Because they are on the same page with this
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 10:05 PM
Jun 2013

As is everyone in any position of high power, regardless of party.

cstanleytech

(26,300 posts)
19. Well....not the exact page. Remember Dick thought he and Bush had the power to ignore FISA
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 11:54 PM
Jun 2013

and build their own telecom considering the number of illegal wiretaps they setup. Obama though appears to atleast be using the FISA courts so imo if there is an issue is its the FISA courts and that they probably need a more independent oversight from a different branch of the government and my vote would be the judicial branch rather than the executive or the legislative branches.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
7. Maybe someone should remind former VP Cheney that had our available counterintelligence
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 08:14 PM
Jun 2013

resources been more effectively utilized following the Aug. 6 intelligence briefing re an imminent terrraist attack (weren't Ashcroft's lads chasing down whores in New Orleans?), the 9-11 attacks might have been thwarted.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
15. And Colleen Rowley --> Moussaoui.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 10:22 PM
Jun 2013

And the Bush administration's general lack of interest in terrorist threats after being warned by the outgoing Clinton administration.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
10. Wouldn't it be nice if we got the full paycheck this dickhead has earned over his "role"?
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 08:32 PM
Jun 2013

I'd like to take every dollar he's earned and churn it back into all the persons he's killed over national security.

I'd like to see him bled dry of all of that blood money, then watch him hang by his testosterone-free gonads.

24601

(3,962 posts)
11. His role? VPs aren't in the chain of command in the Executive Branch, they are not Deputy
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:26 PM
Jun 2013

Commanders in Chief and cannot originate orders to Cabinet Officers. (They can relay Presidential orders, but so can just about anybody authorized by POTUS.)

VPs officially preside over the Senate and unofficially check the WP front page daily for an obituary that would indicate a job change.

So what can VPs do? Just like you or me, they can offer an opinion. Criminalize that? Not in my country - not for you, for me, or even for Cheney.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
13. You're missed reality on this one, buddy...
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 10:01 PM
Jun 2013

Normally, when reality wasn't turned on its head, I'd say you had a point. However, in the world of Dick Cheney, you don't.

Cheney was in charge of any militaristic "stand down" operation and any clandestine operations, period.

If you haven't been able to see that, you aren't worth the bandwidth of your next sentence!

So, I'll just cut to the chase and bid you a "Buh-bye", you misinformed individual.

24601

(3,962 posts)
27. You may have a point - that me having been in every administration since mid-1972, I might not have
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:47 AM
Jun 2013

noticed. This has always been non-partisan career service, not plum book policy & supporting positions for non-career officers. Two of my positions required Senate Conformation and those nominations were made by GHW Bush and Bill Clinton.

I've seen this so many times before and the "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts" mindset wears a little thin.

And it's precisely the same with VP Biden and it was that way with VP Gore, VP Quayle, VP Bush & VP Mondale. And before that, they were lucky if they had a weekly office call with POTUS to ask if the dog needed to be walked or other important state matters.

Vice Presidents:

1. Preside over the US Senate and are Constitutionally the President of the Senate.
2. Vote in the Senate only to break a tie.
3. Are 1st in line for Presidential succession.
4. If POTUS allows them in the room, they can offer an opinion.
5. Have no directive power over Executive Branch Departments and Agencies. They are not Deputy Commanders. VPs cannot even appoint the people assigned to the VP's Office within EOP. Those individuals have Presidential appointments.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
28. Thank you for the history review...
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 08:13 AM
Jun 2013

Now, realize that this didn't happen with DICK CHENEY.

Or, are you saying that you were part of that corrupt administration. If so, congratulations on getting comment on this message board, since you'd be supportive of the most traitorous administration of the 21st century.

I don't want to confuse you with the facts over what Dick Fucking Cheney has done during his tenure of shadow government, so stop me if I'm talking about something you were that close to. Excuse me while I put a pair of BOOTS on during this "conversation".

24601

(3,962 posts)
29. I'm saying that everyone in the career civil service is a part of every administration. So,
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 08:30 AM
Jun 2013

specifically yes, I was - just like right now am part of the Obama administration.

24601

(3,962 posts)
31. I'll modify slightly and offer that civil servants assigned in judicial and legislative branches
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 06:16 AM
Jun 2013

be outside the definition of any President's administration due to the separation of powers. But Executive Branch civil service are indeed serving in the administration of the incumbent - and should serve without partisanship. If I wanted to be political, I'd go for a Schedule C or non-career SES appt.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
32. Sir... this isn't about you, or how your position would fit.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 09:51 AM
Jun 2013

It's about defending Dick Cheney, which is where the conversation should have ended, once you bolstered up your loyalty to Dick...

24601

(3,962 posts)
35. The only dick I care that much about lives in Tampa - wow, so do I. It's not about defending Dick
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 08:25 PM
Jun 2013

or loyalty to Dick, it's about getting it right. Sadly, that too often runs a distant 2nd, 3rd...125th to DU posts.

I don't have to agree with Cheney to point out that VPs (and not just him) do not have the authority described.

The one thing I do wonder about regarding Cheney is why he didn't pardon Libby. When Bush had his last colonoscopy in office, Cheney was Acting President under the provisions of the 25th Amendment. It was clear Bush was not going to pardon Libby while Cheney used strong language like "leaving a man on the battlefield."

I've never felt the need to vilify Bush over AIDs, especially given Bono's comments, “We’re hoping very much that President Obama is going to follow through on what President Bush did. I know that’s hard for you to accept. It was amazing. You know, people like John Kerry worked for this and Hillary Clinton, and eventually President Clinton did some extraordinary stuff renegotiating the prices of … very expensive drugs down.

But George kind of knocked it out of the park. I can tell you, and I’m actually here to tell you, that America now has 5 million people being kept alive by these drugs. That’s something everybody should know.”


Source: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/12/01/u2s-bono-praises-george-w-bushs-aids-advocacy-on-the-daily-show/

If Cheney was the Darth Vader made out to be here, what's the explanation for not exercising the lawful power he held for two hours and five minutes? (time duration per the NYT - see link)

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/cheney-pens-letter-while-acting-as-potus/

Why should we have any reservations about praising our opponents when it's accurate? Why should we hesitate from taking Democratic leaders to task when it's deserved?

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
26. Cheney?!?
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 07:08 AM
Jun 2013

Is that you?!? DUDE!!! Denial will get you nowhere!

We know about your "secret" meetings with the criminals from Enron. We know you anointed yourself VP to Dubya so you could continue what you started before Pappy Bush had you on his team. Hell, we ALL know just how vile and dishonest you've been for most of your adult life!

Traveling outside the US much these days, Darth?




Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
17. really dumb to not lock cockpit doors against plane highjackers.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 11:34 PM
Jun 2013

and to charge/punish plane hi-jackers in the civie courts. Instead we let terrorists bloom & home-grow along with the federal $$$ surveillance programs.

Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
18. I'm still pissed.......
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 11:43 PM
Jun 2013

at the Nun who went through my desk and stole my hash pipe,
Was She NSA? Fuck, It was Obama. OTH I figured out what they
were doing, and made a pipe out of a Coke can, 1971.

 

temmer

(358 posts)
21. Why is this thread not locked?
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 04:07 AM
Jun 2013

This thread hear was, because opinion&analysis are not allowed in LBN:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014510710

No offense meant, but why are Dick Cheney's opinions allowed here and Boris Johnson's not? And unlike the Cheney article, which offers the guy an exclusive platform to place his comments, the Johnson article also quotes other British politicians. So the latter is neither opinion nor analysis.



struggle4progress

(118,309 posts)
23. I'm concerned that Mr Cheney seems to be seeking attention because he feels lonely
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:38 AM
Jun 2013

and unloved. Maybe he should go back home to enjoy the warmth of his family or spend more time hunting with his friends. Or maybe he could just hang out in another undisclosed location somewhere

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