BREAKING: Putin: Snowden in Transit Zone of Moscow Airport, Russia Will Not Extradite Him.
Source: Associated Press
@AP: BREAKING: Putin: Snowden is in transit zone of Moscow airport, Russia will not extradite him.
@Reuters: Edward Snowden is a free man, and the sooner he chooses a destination the better: Russia's Putin #breaking
@Reuters: Putin says Russia security agencies "never worked with [Edward Snowden] and are not working with him today" #breaking
PUTIN SAYS NO TO US REQUEST TO EXTRADITE SNOWDEN
By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV
Jun. 25 11:00 AM EDT
NAANTALI, Finland (AP) Russian President Vladimir Putin says that National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden is in the transit zone of a Moscow airport and will not be extradited to the United States.
Putin said that Snowden hasn't crossed the Russian border and is free to go anywhere.
Speaking on a visit to Finland Tuesday, he added that Russian security agencies "didn't work and aren't working" with Snowden. He gave no more details.
Commenting on a U.S. request to extradite him, Putin said that Russia doesn't have an extradition agreement with the U.S. and thus wouldn't meet the U.S. request.
Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/nsa-leakers-global-flight-appears-stalled-now
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,382 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,382 posts)You do have a point there.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)caseymoz
(5,763 posts)Even evil people do right things occasionally.
Daemonaquila
(1,712 posts)Putin's quote on the media's questions on extradition and imprisonment: "In any case, I would like not to deal with such issues because it is like shearing a pig: there's lots of squealing and little fleece." I wish a certain POTUS would talk that way sometimes when faced with dumb questions...
East Coast Pirate
(775 posts)truth2power
(8,219 posts)Good for him!
About time someone stood up to the schoolyard bully.
edit> I mis-typed that...It's squealing, not shearing.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)"In a sense, the United States has gone from a 'model of human rights' to 'an eavesdropper on personal privacy', the 'manipulator' of the centralised power over the international internet, and the mad 'invader' of other countries' networks," the People's Daily said.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Vladimir Putin has said that Russia will not extradite Edward Snowden. The Russian President added that Snowden has committed no crime in Russia, and hoped that the case will not damage Russian relations with the United States.
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-06-25/putin-russia-will-not-extradite-edward-snowden/
That's it - from minutes ago.
Russia's President says former NSA contractor Edward Snowden is still in the transit zone of Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport. Vladimir Putin says that any accusations of Russia related to Snowden are "nonsense and rubbish."
Speaking to journalists in Finland, Putin said that there is no extradition treaty between Russia and the US. He also said that Snowden did not commit any crime on the territory of Russia.
"Snowden is a free person. The sooner he chooses his final destination, the better it is for him and Russia," Putin said.
He also expressed hope that the Snowden saga would not have any effect on business relations between Russia and the US.
http://rt.com/news/putin-snowden-moscow-extradition-220/
The US whistleblower Edward Snowden is in Moscow airport and Russia will not extradite him, President Vladimir Putin has said.
http://news.sky.com/story/1107989/putin-russia-will-not-extradite-snowden
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)Probably a different identity, and probably he's being routed incognito to a country unknown, because if there's one thing every country in the world is agreeing about now is that the US is a bunch of dicks.
I doubt he'll be in Ecuador.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Champion of freedom.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Champion of Freedom.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)I thought this thread was about Putin.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)Tit for tat?
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)no?
michigandem58
(1,044 posts)Amazing some of the folks becoming heroes now. Putin?
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Renew Deal
(81,877 posts)okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)he is?
Renew Deal
(81,877 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts).
michigandem58
(1,044 posts)I find that pretty hypocritical.
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)w/o a legal passport they won't process him. I guess he can become the new Merhan Karimi Nasseri living in the airport.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts). . . Senator Larry Craig, a huge homophobic Republican Senator from Idaho, was caught tapping toes in a restroom at an airport in Minneapolis.
And I have been here for 10 years.
I came back after the 2004 debacle to talk about Senator Larry Craig's arrest.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)michigandem58
(1,044 posts)xiamiam
(4,906 posts)whistleblowers, and the msm coverage of this and anything else. There was a time when we could say that but unfortunately, its no longer true.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)ranked 32 out of a possible 179 countries. Cuba and China are in the bottom 10 with Russia at 148. By unbiased standards, yes.
Rank
32 United States 18,22 +15 (47)
119 Ecuador 34,69 -15 (104)
148 Russia 43,42 -6 (142)
171 Cuba 71,64 -4 (167)
173 China 73,07 +1 (174)
174 Iran 73,40 +1 (175)
Lugal Zaggesi
(366 posts)to point out to the Third and Second and Fourth World how much they suck.
In 2007 John Rosenthal argued that RWB showed a bias in favor of European countries. In the 2009 article about RWB and Venezuela cited above, Salim Lamrani stated that "RSF is not an organization that defends freedom of the press, but is an obscure entity with a political agenda precisely commissioned to discredit through all possible means the progressive governments in the world that find themselves on the United States blacklist."
According to Observatoire de l'Action Humanitaire (Centre for Humanitarian Action), ever since Robert Ménard was replaced by Jean-François Julliard in September 2008, RWB has been concerned with violations of press freedom not only in "third-world dictatorships" but also in developed countries like France. Through widening its geographical scope, RWB aims at countering accusations of overly focusing on left-wing regimes unfriendly to the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters_Without_Borders#Overemphasis_on_.22third-world_dictatorships.22.2C_bias_in_favor_of_Europe_and_the_U.S.
Say, good news - RWB is trying to become more objective.
Let's see how it turns out, in a few years.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Shouldn't we be #1? In the Top Ten?
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)stop multinationals from owning all media outlets, and stop foreigners from owning our media sources. I'm all for it.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)"stop multinationals from owning all media outlets, and stop foreigners from owning our media sources."
You have a strange concept of "freedom of the press".
Maybe you could name these "multinationals" who own "all media outlets". Who are these "foreigners" you refer to?
Lugal Zaggesi
(366 posts)who control over 90% of what Americans read, watch or listen to are:
NewsCorp
Disney
Viacom
Time-Warner
CBS
Comcast
NewsCorp was founded by Rupert Murdoch, an Australian who bought his American citizenship in a couple weeks, so he could get around the laws prohibiting foreigners from owning a certain number of TV stations and newspapers in the same bigcity markets.
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6
American mainstream media isn't "sympathetic" to large corporations in American life.
American mainstream media IS large corporations.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)They are entertainment companies who package their own sanitized versions of selective news items for mass consumption.
Anyone truly interested in what is happening in the world would not be wasting time with NewsCorp et al.
Nobody "controls" what Americans watch except those who watch. I sat in front of a friend's TV last week and tried to find something interesting to watch (DISH Network, full package). After an hour of channel surfing, I gave up. Couldn't find any of the stuff I normally watch because there was no regular antenna attached. That's all I use and receive 20+ PBS and independent channels, like KCET, which provides the news from multiple sources. Fortunately, most of those sources are foreign, which helps with objectivity.
Lugal Zaggesi
(366 posts)get their "news" from these entertainment companies,
it has a real effect on politics, foreign policy and how Americans as a country prepare for the challenges of the 21st century.
It doesn't matter how smart 10% of the country is, if 90% can be tricked into supporting an avoidable War that leads to Disaster.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Same way they choose to buy everything, especially food, neatly packaged and palatable and vacuum sealed. I doubt many folk watch national and international news on network tv anymore. I could be wrong. But hey, if they watch The Daily Show and Colbert, too, then they'll get the other side of Fox with better real info along with some great satire.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)They're still not giving him back whether they're heroes or not. They regard him as a hero. About this, I'm on their side.
michigandem58
(1,044 posts)because they're excited about him striking a blow for freedom in America? Surely you don't believe that.
They're helping him because they're all for anything that compromises our intellegence.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)The NSA surveillance program was aimed at mostly at other countries, remember? Other countries worldwide are grateful that he exposed major spying against their citizens and governments. And all of Europe feels the same way.
Have a look if you doubt it:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/23/1218102/-US-NSA-Accused-of-Criminal-Privacy-Violations-in-Dozens-of-Nations-Snowden-Blowback
We haven't seen any of this in the US press (just as we saw none of the initial scandal when Antisec found 12 million profiles from people worldwide on an FBI computer) but the US is horribly screwed now. And it's not because of Snowden; it's because of our stupid, arrogant intelligence agencies and the Bush and Obama administrations, with a special award for Dick "The Dick" Cheney who was the prime mover behind this surveillance apparatus.
Added on Edit: As evidence of this, did you notice how he "disappeared" somewhere between Moscow and Cuba? That itinerary was a misdirection after our government pulled his passport. You don't do that without help from multiple governments. We're not seeing the guy again. And if you think that's not humiliating to us, you just watch how fast our government tries to change the subject.
Civilization2
(649 posts)Thanks, I was board with all the lame comments,. yours has facts, and it right on point!
caseymoz
(5,763 posts). . . was leave organizations like the CIA and NSA in place after the end of the Cold War. The were PR nightmares during it. To let them go on with the same old antics afterward is stupid. They were bound to find ways to expand their salaries and payrolls without any of the discipline an enemy like the USSR provided.
Hey, welcome to DU.
Are you a Civilization fan?
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anobserver2
(836 posts)re: "We're not seeing the guy again"
I agree. I do not believe we are going to see Edward Snowden again, as my gut just tells me no one wants to let him go,
and in about two months, we will probably be fed some poppycock story of how he had a heart attack or something and died
of stress waiting in the airport for a decision on his asylum application to whatever countries.
What I would like to know is this:
1) If he is really at the Moscow airport, why doesn't someone from the US go there and try to talk to him? (Because he's not really anywhere near the airport in Moscow, is my guess.)
2) When was the last time Wikileaks talked to him? Or to the woman and lawyer that were with him?
3) How many days has it been since anyone has talked to any one of the three - Snowden, the female Wikileaks lawyer, or the
male lawyer?
I am guessing we will never hear from any one of them again, I am sorry to say. But that is my gut feeling. This is already over for Snowden is what I am sensing. Again, I am sorry to say that, but that's how I feel.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)I believe he'll be given the informal international equivalent of the witness protection program. Really, other countries owe him a debt. He has a new passport and his asylum to Ecuador was a deception. There's nothing sad about what's going to happen to Snowden.
As for the two lawyers, at least one of them surfaced today to say they're not representing him.
No, I don't think he's dead, and it doesn't look like Putin is treating him as anything like a spy. I don't think after three months on the job he had much more information other than what he's already turned over. It's funny how he disappeared on the way to that plane to Cuba.
So far, it looks like it's exactly what I predicted. There's been a lot of news these last few days, but I think the entire US government is going to try to switch the subject away from him and try to pretend this never happened. Nobody's saying where Snowden is, and bringing him up anymore is just going to be more internationally embarrassing.
I'm afraid they might try to go after Greenwald, though. See if they can get Snowden to surface.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)And that is why he wants nothing to do with Snowden.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)wtmusic
(39,166 posts)The only hero here is Snowden.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)We have our problems, but all in all, we still very much have a free press.
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)you might be able to call our press "free".
Whether it's a legal conflict or a monetary one hardly matters.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Yes, there are a big corporate interests that own some really big media organizations. And then there are media organizations that aren't owned by big corporate interests. And then there are some in between. Theres a LOT of media in this country and it comes in all flavors.
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)and proportionately more influential.
Media consolidation is at unprecedented levels and is in direct correlation with the number of influential viewpoints available to the public.
FCC relax of media ownership ban draws fire
"A battle over media ownership rules is heating up. So much so that the Federal Communications Commission has tossed the hot potato issue until next year.
FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski last month circulated a proposal that would relax a ban that prevents the owner of a television broadcast station from also owning a newspaper in the same town or city.
On Tuesday, amid criticism from a public interest group and the Hill, the FCC said it would take more comments on the issue, which would push a vote on Genachowskis proposal to January at the earliest."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-tech/post/fcc-relax-of-media-ownership-ban-draws-fire/2012/12/05/729dfafe-3e56-11e2-a2d9-822f58ac9fd5_blog.html
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)...but that does not equate to "not having a free press". People can still report pretty much whatever they want to report. Pundits can give whatever opinion they pretty much want to give. Whether or not the people that pay them to do so are in agreement with what they are saying/reporting is not really a factor as far as that goes... everyone has a boss.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)That is, secretly pulling phone records on AP to find out who leaked to them?
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/govt-obtains-wide-ap-phone-records-probe
AP has said that sources are refusing to to talk to them.
What about the pursuit of Julian Assange and his "house arrest" at the Ecuador embassy? And the way financial institutions have collaborated with our government to shut down Wikileaks?
What about the threats by some government officials to prosecute Glen Greenwald.
People are in denial. The press is under attack. So far, they've been somewhat subtle, though with Assange it was in no way subtle.
truth2power
(8,219 posts)to cast aspersions on any other country about human rights abuses.
We have BECOME what we once claimed to abhor.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)It has to do with the disclosure that the US intelligence establishment is (apparently illegally, but certainly without oversight) "reading the world's mail". If such a disclosure had been made by a Chinese party organ, I'd wonder about motive. As it is, whether or not China or Russia have a free press is utterly immaterial.
populistdriven
(5,644 posts)How is it that an American like Snowden could become so indoctrinated in Socialism without attending an American university?
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)and Russia.
I guess anything's game when you are willing to burn down the house because it's not ideal enough.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)The alignment of Snowden/Glenn Beck/Russia and China is making me nauseous. The first comment thanks the former head of the KGB - that bastion of freedom. I'm really starting to consider that after more than a decade, this place is seriously not for me.
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)So that means you're aligned with Lindsay Graham and John Boehner?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)because I think the NSA is out of control and the patriot act is an abomination. But I felt that way long before I knew snowden's name. Snowden is a criminal who I think was used by Greenwald for his own purposes. What side does that put me on?
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)You're the one telling people who they're aligned with and throwing a little hissy fit.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)You ain't seen nothing yet. And frankly, if I heard Glenn Beck agreed with me about something, I would seriously reconsider my position. Running to China and Russia to escape a totalitarian society is a whole other joke.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)You would be wise to read up on the differences between Hong Kong and mainland China.
That being said you seem to want it both ways. I'm sure you and Lindsay Graham will figure something out though.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)If you don't think China was pulling the strings (and now has all the info in their hands), you're delusional. What you don't seem to understand is I don't want anything one way or the other - I've already explained that I think the NSA and Snowden both suck - you seem confounded by that. Lindsay is perfectly happy with the behavior of the NSA so I have no idea what you're babbling about.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)Exaggerating a bit there for smear effect? They owe him a major debt and they know it. Most of the world knows this, too, and they're behind Russia and China.
Snowden will disappear. The US canceled his passport, so I think Putin has issued him a brand-spanking new one along with a new identity. Nobody is going to tell the US where he is.
Even Satan can't avoid doing good once a century or so, and saying that doesn't make anyone an ally.
treestar
(82,383 posts)It is way beyond ridiculous.
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)If you think extraoardinary rendition, torture, and indefinite detention trump what those countries have to offer, I'd like to hear why.
Russia invaded Chechnya; the U.S. invaded Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands more. Try taking a fresh look at your country without the Go, USA! blinders on.
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)just flip them inside out for your use.
the united states is not the devil you want it to be.
sure, theres a lot in this country to be upset about right now...
but you seriously want to compare our history over the last 100 years to Russias?
really?
that easy to ignore the past for a lil sanctimonious self righteous feelings now eh ?
now go on.. tell me how I wish snowden was dead or how I love living in a police state.. or some other silly over reaction that makes no sense but sure seems to make ya feel better..
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)Still waiting for your justification of rendition, torture, and indefinite detention.
Somehow not expecting the "Constitutional scholar" version.
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)putin himself will do just fine..
hadn't noticed him making himself leader for life eh ?
hadn't noticed he has pretty much complete control over all the government functions in Russia eh ?
guess the history of the last 10 years in Russia escapes you :p
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)Still waiting on your justification of rendition, torture, and indefinite detention. Oops, add unlimited spying to the list.
You feel these pale in comparison to Putin making himself leader for life, do you? I suppose if you were tortured your opinion might vary.
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)i never said i was defending those actions.. so why would i attempt to justify them? you just keep assuming that's what im attempting to do.. apparently.
the only thing i have a problem with , is the implied sentiment that the united states is no better than Russia and china... which is false.
even with the things you mentioned,
as both said countries have actively participated in those practices and gone FAR BEYOND them...
again, when was the last time you saw someone thrown into a remote prison where nobody can find or talk to you simply for playing a rock song in a church??
how about being jailed and put into a labor education program at 70 years old because you dared to apply for an application to demonstrate?
yeah, tell me again how we are no better off?
cause you seem to be implying we are the same.
again, nobody is trying to justify the things you've listed...
just tear apart your notion that the united states has nothing better to offer versus china and Russia.
so again, care to tell me how much better Russia and china are compared to the united states over the last 100 years ?
please , im asking you to explain to me why you feel we have nothing better to offer given both countries long history of human rights abuses and political suppression and oppression.
heck, you can be jailed in china just for saying something negative about the government AT ALL over the internet.
if we all lived in china, this website wouldn't exist.. and if it did wed all be considered enemy number one and sought after on the daily.
if snowden had been caught doing what hes accused of here in Russia or china.. you wouldn't be seeing him on the TV box.. because he never would have made it out of country knowing what he knows :p
ill keep using the word 'again' until you come to grips with what im asking you and stop trying to pretend im in favor of the practices you've listed and therefor need to justify them.
while we are more repressed than weve been in a while, it still fails in comparison to the heavy handed oppression they commit daily. im sorry.
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)I never told you "how much better Russia and china are compared to the united states over the last 100 years".
I never told you "we have nothing better to offer given both countries."
etc etc.
These are all products of your kneejerk pseudopatriotic jingoistic defense reflex.
truth2power
(8,219 posts)War crimes, extraordinary rendition, torture, bankster criminality ignored, homelessness, 76% of working people living paycheck to paycheck (according to one source I can't retrieve right now), people drowning in debt for the rest of their lives just because they went to college, and on and on.
Yes, it's not ideal enough. <sigh>
Oh, and your strawman is showing.
kyeshinka
(44 posts)Which one? Vnukovo, Sheremyetevo 2, Domodyedovo? Hope it's not Sheremyetevo 2. I've been stuck there overnight and it gets really creepy and it's freaking $70 bucks to the center. And if you're a nonsmoker, best of luck to you.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)The leaving asap part, hmm....... Curious he would say that.
Exact quote:
"He is a transit passenger in the transit zone and is still there now.... Mr Snowden is a free man. The sooner he selects his final destination point, the better both for us and for himself,'' Mr Putin told a news conference in Finland, emphasising that Russia has no extradition agreement with the United States.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/technology/putin-snowden-in-moscow-airport-transit/story-e6frfro0-1226669883412#ixzz2XF2dO3fY
michigandem58
(1,044 posts)Interesting indeed.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I wonder how many journalists have had their Mercedes blow up upon speeding into a palm tree?
Civilization2
(649 posts)I am amazed at the blinders some folks choose to ware,. nationalism mixed with party hackary is pathetic.
michigandem58
(1,044 posts)But we know it! Or something.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)truth2power
(8,219 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... I think Mercedes Benz would be having a shit fit over the safety of that Mercedes-Benz C 250 model. I don't see this.
You'd have to want to follow the logic to consider in comparative terms whether one drives unbelievable speeds because he is freaked out over something, or wants to kill himself over something, or is driving at a rate of exponential acceleration for some other reason.
But I'm asking questions as opposed to assuming the answer is "proportional to the number that drove like maniacs."
Which one of us is questioning, based on reason?
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)He collided with a tree. There were witnesses and theres video of him driving like a maniac through a red light. Mercedes Benz has nothing to worry about... because they don't advertise the notion that you can drive one of their cars like a bat out of hell and straight into a tree and not have really bad things happen to you.
Aside from that, I can't make sense out of the rest of what you just said.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... so, aside from that, don't let any other facts or questions get in the way of your theory and be sure and link any videos that make your rock solid theory.
Civilization2
(649 posts)people just drive into trees all the time., right after they have said people are after them, due to a "big story" that they are about to break. yup, makes perfect sense.
treestar
(82,383 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I'm wonder who is full of it here.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and claim that our government has ever murdered a journalist.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Do the limits of being human only present themselves in Russia?
If you think no one was ever murdered in any level of law enforcement for standing up to something like, say, lynching, you've got to open your eyes more...
I don't put it past ANY ONE to have turned a dead eye to, or to have murdered or purposely endangered the lives of journalist, or outed people like Valerie Plame because of some fucking ideology.
You might take a moment and either familiarize yourself with events that demonstrate this, or get that nose ring removed. I feel I"m giving you good advice. If you don't consider what we are CAPABLE OF, you're on your way to be led around to believe anyone arguing against you is, "unAmerican"... So, then, here there go - another "red scare"...
kyeshinka
(44 posts)No more journalists have been killed on Putin's watch than on Yeltsin's. They still haven't closed the book on Dmitry Kholodov (and they won't) or more than three dozen killed during the White House seige of 1993. The monument behind the Federation building is really sad--many of those journalists were in their 20s. So while it's appropriate to attack Putin, let's remember that Yeltsin was no saint, either, and mafia wars killed a lot of people in the 90s. It may have been worse than in the czarist days when writers were expected to off each other in duels, like Pushkin. I suppose that was more chivalrous--the ONLY way a proud Russian muzhik should go.
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)5th worst in the world.
Journalists make enemies, and in a fairly lawless society retribution is enacted. Without denying that Putin was behind some of the murders, a more accurate description would be that "Numerous journalists have been murdered while Putin was in power."
Lugal Zaggesi
(366 posts)As was India, and Colombia.
Say, isn't Mexico and Colombia nice friends and trading partners with the USA ?
http://listverse.com/2012/12/13/top10-deadliest-countries-for-journalists/
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)Look again.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)What a patriot! He's so awesome. Can't wait to see how else he fucks us over. I brought the lube.
It will be dreamy and more important than anything else like the gutting of the voting rights act. Tee hee.
/sarc
Myrina
(12,296 posts)... now that he's a single man and all ...
still_one
(92,422 posts)tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)see Guardian live updates :
7 minutes ago :
The White House has asked Russia to expel Snowden immediately, saying Moscow has a "clear legal basis" to do so, Reuters reports:
White House National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said the legal bases for expelling Snowden are the status of his travel documents and the pending charges against him.
"Accordingly, we are asking the Russian government to take action to expel Mr Snowden without delay and to build upon the strong law enforcement cooperation we have had, particularly since the Boston Marathon bombing," she said.
Earlier Russian president Vladimir Putin said Snowden would not be expelled. He arrived as a transit passenger he didnt need a visa, or other documents, Putin said.
Putin went on to suggest, apparently in high irony given his brutal handling of Russian dissenters, that it would not be right to hand over Snowden due to his status as a "human rights activist.":
Assange and Snowden consider themselves human rights activists and say theyre fighting for the spread of information, Putin said. Ask yourself this: should you hand these people over so theyll be put in prison?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/25/edward-snowden-russia
Not sure if the WH is deaf or iliiterate given Putin made this perfectly clear earlier. Cuba has a good literacy program.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)You mean how they tried to warn us and our police ignored it because...
And then a bunch of people were maimed/killed?
Sorry our, mostly Republican with accompanying placative Dem, legislators were too busy trying to figure out how to best circumvent our own constitution behind our backs. That is way more successful then actually following through on reports from the terrorists' own friends/family who are usually trying to turn them in.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)Trade Snowden for the Superbowl ring!
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)So how would this trade work?